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Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.19 14:45:00 - [1] I have been thinking of using the rook for roaming cruiser gangs. And came up with this: [Rook, Roaming] Type-D Power Core Modification: Reaction Control Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Warrior I x5 DPS: 298 EHP: 20K Speed: 1100 m/s And I think it should be able to jam anything cruiser sized and below. Any thoughts? Anyone else using a rook? And what do you think? ----- We are recruiting! Linkage
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.19 14:59:00 - [2] What is your jam strength? Personally I'd be inclined to bring SDAs in lows because that isn't great DPS from the missiles. If you want a primarily missile boat you could do it better and cheaper imo. I know it's now allegedly an "ECM" brawler but still.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.05.19 15:08:00 - [3] tackling dpsing shieldbuffering rook? How about.. [Rook, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution ECM - White Noise Generator II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Phase Inverter II ECM - Ion Field Projector II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Cloaking Device Particle Dispersion Projector I Particle Dispersion Projector I Hobgoblin II x5 It seems difficult now though, fitting a rook without seemingly thinking its a falcon ><
Tagami Wasp	Posted - 2009.05.19 15:31:00 - [4] I think the OP wants a solo roaming Rook. 7 mids and no point would be such a waste :) Anyhow, I'd use at least 1x SDA to make sure the ECm worked for sure.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.19 15:38:00 - [5] He said "gangs"
W0wbagger	Posted - 2009.05.19 15:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Tagami Wasp I think the OP wants a solo roaming Rook. 7 mids and no point would be such a waste :) Anyhow, I'd use at least 1x SDA to make sure the ECm worked for sure. SDA's arent much good any more as they're range/strength split now, i know the OP is talking about gangs but if you want a solo rook you're much better off not splitting your tank shield/ecm and going pure ecm - ie drop the invuln for a 4th ecm and use all multis. Also worth dropping the explosive rig for a ecm strength rig. If you have recon 5 you might get away with 3 jammers in which case i'd lose the invuln for a web as its great for taking out a drone ships dps quickly - one of the only things that can give you issues.
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:31:00 - [7] Thing is I'm in fw so 90% of the time we are fighting ships that are smaller then a BC. So I figure the 3 Multi's would help but dropping the point for another one is an idea. Also it seems that the enemies don;t always call primary so I will be taking damage at some point in the fight. And like the little extra survivability that the extender and invul give. ----- We are recruiting! Linkage
W0wbagger	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Matharos Thing is I'm in fw so 90% of the time we are fighting ships that are smaller then a BC. So I figure the 3 Multi's would help but dropping the point for another one is an idea. Also it seems that the enemies don;t always call primary so I will be taking damage at some point in the fight. And like the little extra survivability that the extender and invul give. i guess but if the enemies are good you will pretty much always be primary!
Hairygoagain	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:45:00 - [9] Forget the ECM and you can get more tank and more DPS than a Cerberus. The only thing you don't have is the extra range, but you need to be relatively close to scram and use the drones (the bit that puts your DPS above a Cerb's).
Shaemell Buttleson Euphoria Released Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:53:00 - [10] Here's one I have been using since the latest changes. Good for solo and gangs. Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II ECM - Phase Inverter II ECM - White Noise Generator II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x5 I love EFT for making it easy to post setups!
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.05.19 16:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Sokratesz tackling dpsing shieldbuffering rook? How about.. [Rook, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution ECM - White Noise Generator II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Phase Inverter II ECM - Ion Field Projector II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Cloaking Device Particle Dispersion Projector I Particle Dispersion Projector I Hobgoblin II x5 It seems difficult now though, fitting a rook without seemingly thinking its a falcon >< I'd drop the Damage Control (60% resists on 1000 structure is meh) and throw on a ballistic control. I also use my Rook for small gang combat so I prefer multispecs and doubling up on ships (usually there's more than 1 racial opponent anyways). 1 Signal Distortion Amp II 2x Ballistic Control II 10MN MWD II LSE (Best named or T2 depending on skills) Invul II 4x Hypnos Multispecs (3 if you solo and want a point) 5x HML II 5x Warrior II 2x Signal Dispersion Augmentor (I don't bother with range rigs anymore - two augmenters and a SDA is pretty good). I'm toying with an AB fit with HAM's - but it would require someone else to provide a warp in. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
W0wbagger	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Hairygoagain Forget the ECM and you can get more tank and more DPS than a Cerberus. The only thing you don't have is the extra range, but you need to be relatively close to scram and use the drones (the bit that puts your DPS above a Cerb's). not if you want an mwd - rook's grid is awful
Leoviscus Rukongai Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Sokratesz tackling dpsing shieldbuffering rook? How about.. [Rook, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Signal Distortion Amplifier II Signal Distortion Amplifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution ECM - White Noise Generator II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Phase Inverter II ECM - Ion Field Projector II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Cloaking Device Particle Dispersion Projector I Particle Dispersion Projector I Hobgoblin II x5 Damage control seems to be a waste. Maybe use a Ballistic Control II instead? [url=http://rukon.evekb.co.uk/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=64030] [/url]
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:02:00 - [14] Don't take a rook into a gang imo. You're going to be primary every time and destroyed.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Don't take a rook into a gang imo. You're going to be primary every time and destroyed. It's primary for a reason. By your logic, everyone should always fly Ibisesii. What you probably mean is "Don't take a Rook into the wrong sort of gang".
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:09:00 - [16] Fit 7 Falcons in your mids and you will be impossible to kill. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.19 18:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Don't take a rook into a gang imo. You're going to be primary every time and destroyed. It's primary for a reason. By your logic, everyone should always fly Ibisesii. What you probably mean is "Don't take a Rook into the wrong sort of gang". That's quite a leap. There are a few ships between rooks and ibis on the primary scale. And by few I mean every ship in the game except for scorps, falcons, and t3. The only right sort of gang I can think of to take a rook into would be a gang of rooks. Anywhere else you'd be more useful in a falcon.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:21:00 - [18] Actually, the only time I'd take a Falcon over a Rook would be when I was scout. Ok, that's quite often, but it illustrates the point.
Matharos Lost Creek Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:28:00 - [19] So you would figure I would be automatic primary... that would take away from the fun of flying it. ----- We are recruiting! Linkage
The Tzar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2009.05.19 22:49:00 - [20] The following fits with a 3% grid implant; Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Warrior II x5 __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.05.20 00:29:00 - [21] Gang of Rooks sounds like fun -- Don't harsh my mellow
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.20 02:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Wannabehero Gang of Rooks sounds like fun - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.05.20 02:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Wannabehero Gang of Rooks sounds like fun Very yes.
abrasive soap Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.20 05:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Matharos I have been thinking of using the rook for roaming cruiser gangs. And came up with this: [Rook, Roaming] Type-D Power Core Modification: Reaction Control Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Warrior I x5 DPS: 298 EHP: 20K Speed: 1100 m/s And I think it should be able to jam anything cruiser sized and below. Any thoughts? Anyone else using a rook? And what do you think? good fit but get tech 2 warriors, maybe drop the disruptor for another multi, a tech 2 pds for good measure, and change the exp shield rig for a core defense field extender or a jamming rig
Mad0ne Caldari Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2009.05.20 06:09:00 - [25] Edited by: Mad0ne on 20/05/2009 06:15:16 One with racials, other with multispectrals. Interceptor or dictor and let teh rapage to begin I believe that 2 rooks can permajam any target. But they gotta run if there is more targets than they could jam effectievly! [Rook, pvp] Signal Distortion Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Phase Inverter II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - White Noise Generator II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II Warp Disruptor II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 470+ DPS 8800 EHP Gate camp rook w other rooks + dictor or smth. + scout ofctourse so you wont get blobed yourself. Remember that rook's "tank" are jammers! I doupt that anything could hit you back. Ofcourse HM rook is really viable also but there aint much situations when you can sit @ 100 km and spam missiles. Cerberus is 10 times better for this job, you wont be jamming anyone from 100km anyway. ----------------------------------------------- Limit cloaks to cloaking ships! Or Make covert ops`s to scan prototype and improved cloaks!!!
callesard	Posted - 2009.05.20 09:11:00 - [26] sory i dont understand thise you are all yousing drones on your ROOK isent it thise one http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Rook i love yousing it budt it dosent have a drone bay soo wey are you puting them in the build ps. sory for my bad typing Malcav
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.20 10:50:00 - [27] Originally by: callesard sory i dont understand thise you are all yousing drones on your ROOK isent it thise one http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Rook i love yousing it budt it dosent have a drone bay soo wey are you puting them in the build ps. sory for my bad typing Malcav Wiki is out of date, check the rook in-game.
Malcav	Posted - 2009.05.20 11:00:00 - [28] cool if it has got a drone bay i thx for the answer
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.05.20 17:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Mad0ne Edited by: Mad0ne on 20/05/2009 06:15:16 One with racials, other with multispectrals. Interceptor or dictor and let teh rapage to begin I believe that 2 rooks can permajam any target. But they gotta run if there is more targets than they could jam effectievly! [Rook, pvp] Signal Distortion Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Phase Inverter II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - White Noise Generator II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II Warp Disruptor II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 470+ DPS 8800 EHP Gate camp rook w other rooks + dictor or smth. + scout ofctourse so you wont get blobed yourself. Remember that rook's "tank" are jammers! I doupt that anything could hit you back. Ofcourse HM rook is really viable also but there aint much situations when you can sit @ 100 km and spam missiles. Cerberus is 10 times better for this job, you wont be jamming anyone from 100km anyway. In theory thats a good fit - but sometimes you want some buffer to deal with drones, late arriving snipers/stealth bombers, or gate guns in low sec (1 LSE II gives enough of a comfort zone to allow you to jam and get out, or warp off from jumping. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
eKuivocal Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.20 20:52:00 - [30] Edited by: eKuivocal on 20/05/2009 20:52:47 I was actually tempted to NOT post this - because I think its the best rook roaming setup. [Rook, pwnage-roam] Signal Distortion Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Multispectral ECM II Multispectral ECM II Multispectral ECM II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Bay Loading Rig Core Defence Shield Extender Rig Warrior II x5 Having the SDA in the low makes it so you can Jam BSs.

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