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Menar Elarik
Brotherhood of Heart and Steel
Broken Toys
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:15:00 -
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I honestly have no idea what to go for... most topics I've read were from 2008, and the patches from then may change things.:), |
Brock Khan
The Kings of Frog Island
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:18:00 -
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100% minny |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:19:00 -
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They call it Winmatar for a reason 
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:19:00 -
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There is a unique trait with this game in that you are not limited to a certain build. So the question that you really should ask is not what should you go for but what should you go for first. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:25:00 -
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Menar Elarik wrote:I honestly have no idea what to go for... most topics I've read were from 2008, and the patches from then may change things.:),
Currently (as in right now, today), I would strongly suggest Minmatar over Gallente. I went Gallente myself (on this relatively new char, just reaching 10 million SP) and knowing what I know now, I wouldn't hesitate even a second if someone offered me to exchange all of my Gallente skills to Minmatar equivalents. There's just no comparison between the two.
Supposedly, some things are going to be rebalanced. But I feel Gallente are still so far behind that it will take years to fix, if they ever get fixed at all.
Good example of this is drones, supposedly Gallente racial weapon system (like projectiles for Minmatar and lasers for Amarr and missiles for Caldari). Other weapon systems all have damage-increasing modules. Drones do not, though one is being added next patch. However, this new module is much weaker than other races' modules. Similarly, other weapon systems have implants that increase their performance. Drones have no such implants. Other weapon systems have rigs that increase their performance. Drones have one such rig, which only affects one drone type - sentries. Etc., etc. This is just one example where Gallente get the fuzzy end of the lollipop.
In short, go Minmatar. I wish I did. |
Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:37:00 -
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It really depends on what gameplay style and tanking method you prefer. Training both will give you access to lots of tactical choices.
Go Gallente if you:
-have better armor than shield skills (there are exceptions of course)
-like drones
-prefer rate of fire/close range brawling
-want a slightly higher challenge
-BALLSTERS, holy hell, hybrids were de-nerfed so can get scary good up close
Go Minmatar if:
-you generally have better shield skills
-you want decent damage projection at multiple ranges and damage type flexibility
-prefer kiting to brawling
-prefer burst damage (artillery) or lower dps but with good falloff
-have meh drone skills
-prefer flying fotm (don't get me wrong, they're good)
Edit:Gallente aren't as bad as they sound. I've been experimenting with the Astarte, for example, and, woof.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Rim Collection RC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:45:00 -
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Don't listen to the FOTM folks.
There are lots of ships in each race that are totally viable and good in PVP.
So there is no point in telling you what ships to go for, it's your decision.
By the way, things do change quite a bit with time, so if you are following the FOTM, you'll probably end in disappointment.
Amarr had a long time being considered FOTM. Lasers hit far, well and hard. Plate buffers are awesome. Cap warfare is awesome. Tracking disrupt is quite nice to have.
Caldari was never bad, except for the time it takes for missiles to hit. Missiles are still strong, and better with the speed nerf. ECM is still OP. They still have ships that use Hybrids.
Minmatar used to be bad, only had speed. Projectiles sucked and speed got nerfed. Then they fixed projectiles and suddenly some people think Minmatar have the advantage. Today, Minmatar has a little bit more speed than the others, projectiles hit far in falloff, but with low damage. Worst EW.
Gallente have the most hurt in close range, and AFAIK they always had. I remember Nano Megas MELTING everyone. Drones can be awesome, or not so much. Depends a lot on the situation. Gallente EW is considered weak, which to me is a mistake. It is strong in many situations. Having drones as main weapon is something the some people complain, but you should note that this makes your highslots FREE. See Domis for example.
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Space Mitt Romney
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:59:00 -
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Winmatar |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:47:00 -
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Get both fly Macharial. |
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:55:00 -
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Gallente is really good if you like smaller ships like frigates/cruisers. |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:56:00 -
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I like Gallente frigates/cruisers. |
zama118
Exclusion Cartel
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:00:00 -
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Gallente in my op are the 2nd best race to PvP in
Minmatar are the best mainly due to the fact they have the speed... but then you can make lots of ships go fast
but at the end of the day it all depends how you fly and how you fit a ship. iv flown and seen drakes that go faster than a cane. i fly a ishtar that eat a vaga or lunch, iv been pounded to crap by a vaga just the same.
its not what you fly, its how you fly it |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena
Star Council
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:39:00 -
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I fly both, though my cruisers skill is 5 for Gals and 4 for Minnie. I plan to train that next though, so it'll be a moot point shortly. I like having choices though, and being able to fly both gives me that.
"If." |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:55:00 -
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For a new player, Winmatar. Capless weapons, you have superior speed and that means you have more chance of skinning out if you don't want to fight. Winmatar is the only race that has this option really. You will also have more chance at getting in to a decent corp if you can tell them you are new and training Winmatar. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.11 19:39:00 -
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Choice of race has 0 correlation with your pvp success.
Choose the one you like most, learn to fit and fly them well and you'll win, it's a player skill.
In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:08:00 -
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Menar Elarik wrote:I honestly have no idea what to go for... most topics I've read were from 2008, and the patches from then may change things.:),
Do the terms "faillente" and "Winmatar" mean anything? 
But seriously, you have more to do with your ship than anything. Used to be that I could not survive without missiles and speed and gravitated to Minmatar but as I learned to play and fit ships, I got better and just recently ran the majority of level 3 missions in a Federation Comet just to see if it could be done. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:10:00 -
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Failmatar.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Leviathan9
E X C E P T I O N
Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:15:00 -
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I'll keep to my 1.4k dps mega anyday.. :D |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness
Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:25:00 -
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Flying Gallente is like taking a knife to a gun fight.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:26:00 -
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:28:00 -
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I'll keep to my (soon to become awesome) Incursus anyday... :D
I mean, have you guys seen the new stats on that thing?! |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:28:00 -
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Forget the machines of the heathens, fly Amarr, and burn the heretics with the cleansing light of lasers. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:17:00 -
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If you're a real man who will fight against odds until the bitter end, go Gallente. If you're a little girl who runs away from a fight at the first sign of trouble, go Minmatar. |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
Sk33t Fl33t
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:39:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Flying Gallente is like taking a knife to a gun fight.
But stabbing people feels so much better! |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:24:00 -
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For a new player focusing on PvP, go Minmatar first, for basically the same reason I advise going Amarr first if you want to use turrets in PvE. Easier to apply your damage at various ranges, easier to refit your ships another way if what you're doing isn't working.
Eventually, when you know what you're doing, you may find that Gallente works better for what you want to do (either mid-range brawling with drones under heavy tank and rails or running up and punching people in the face with blasters). You'll still be able to do those things with Minmatar, just not quite as well, and if you prefer the less-restrictive orbital/sweeping style you may want to stick with 'em forever, who knows.
(Honestly the Amarr "whatever, fly as you want, I'm still going to fry your ass with this laser while reclining on my space couch drinking a space beer" style has been growing on me lately, personally.) |
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Crunchy Crunchy
Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:51:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Flying Gallente is like taking a knife to a gun fight.
I'll just quote Harvey Dent here.
"Do you want to know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?"
Destroyed much? |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:27:00 -
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Fleets and/or null sec? Minmatar
Giant Blob: Amarr
Small gang fighting on gates in lowsec? Gallente
Any or All of the above? Drake
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Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:31:00 -
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Ilnaurk Sithdogron wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Flying Gallente is like taking a knife to a gun fight. I'll just quote Harvey Dent here. "Do you want to know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?" Destroyed much?
That was the Joker... |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:34:00 -
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I'm a max skilled minnie pilot and I fly a blaster ship 
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.12 06:09:00 -
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Minmatar is the smart choice, Gallente is the fun choice (that is if you like blasters and drones a lot).
CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
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