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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.21 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jita Security on 21/05/2009 13:05:40 Currently PvP in empire and lowsec is geared almost 100% towards pirates. This is fine and an enjoyable part of the game...
HOWEVER
Why can't we PvP as law-enforcement officials? Lets have low-sec pirates chance their luck to raid precious empire mining/hauling hot spots and lets have actual PLAYERS attempt to stop them! The world of EVE can be more or less directly parraleled with the old wild-west yet in the actual game of EVE no one can play the sheriff or even one of his deputies?
I've posted most of what I think on the mechanics of the matter here: CONCORD Militia
What I want to know is WHY players are at the mercy of arbitrarily enforced laws from NPC's when EVE is supposed to be a game thats all about players interacting WITH EACH OTHER. It seems like EVE is in many ways only HALF a game in relation to this matter. We are able to be law-breakers but not law-enforcers.
We have many tools for pirates and piracy, lets have some tools for police and policing!
PS You can tell I'm not trolling because I haven't once mentioned the magnificent Delphi Grendalus... whoops.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.05.21 13:41:00 -
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How far will one person stoop for self-publicity? ITT, we find out  ---
I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :( |

Sirius Snape
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Posted - 2009.05.21 13:56:00 -
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I want to wardec his stupid face.
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar FarSight Location and Recovery Services
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:01:00 -
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i thought you could shoot someone in empire if they were flashy red......oh wai....
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:06:00 -
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Abolish Faction Navy Spawns in Highsec and allow Neg Sec. players in unmolested by NPC's?
Have other players police Highsec?
Please. Do Want.
The mechanics are already in place and the NPC faction Naval spawns are the only obstacle.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:11:00 -
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Stupid idea. This one is way better: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1064441
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Mal'ol Soddo
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Abolish Faction Navy Spawns in Highsec and allow Neg Sec. players in unmolested by NPC's?
Have other players police Highsec?
Please. Do Want.
The mechanics are already in place and the NPC faction Naval spawns are the only obstacle.
This, also, allow players to attack/pod neg standing (even -0.1) in high or low sec, without taking a sec hit or concord/gate guns getting annoyed.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:24:00 -
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hi cat here
if you want to be the like the cops you should make a defence league like me and settle in a hellhole like i did lol. you should defend lisbaetanne. visit my blog for my adventures
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Lonzo Kincaid
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 14:52:00 -
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one of these days ccp are gunna get sick of people *****ing about concord, and just remove them and tell everybody to defend highsec their damn selves. ----------------------
Quote: The rule of thumb is you have to outnumber them 2:1 before you even think about engaging them
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Sharp Feather
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
if you want to be the like the cops you should make a defence league like me and settle in a hellhole like i did lol. you should defend lisbaetanne.
Wait wait, you are in lisbaetanne...defending people? Well make sure to kill BFISH he got me there. ( Im a low SP lvl 3 mission runner ) =================================================
Before: creators loved games and made money. Now: creators love money and make games. |

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:08:00 -
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because EVE is about Capitalism and Piracy. no lawmen here :)
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Matrix Skye
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:16:00 -
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This idea sounds good but in the end it would just give griefers an invaluable tool to grief. And it only takes a handful of uncontrollable a-holes to ruin it for everyone. In a perfect world sure, we could govern ourselves. But let's face it, this is like giving matches to little kids and expecting them to use them properly. I have to say two thumbs down.
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Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lonzo Kincaid one of these days ccp are gunna get sick of people *****ing about concord, and just remove them and tell everybody to defend highsec their damn selves.
If only....
Originally by: Matrix Skye This idea sounds good but in the end it would just give griefers an invaluable tool to grief. And it only takes a handful of uncontrollable a-holes to ruin it for everyone. In a perfect world sure, we could govern ourselves. But let's face it, this is like giving matches to little kids and expecting them to use them properly. I have to say two thumbs down.
There can be all sorts of checks thrown into the mix, the actual mechanics of the whole thing are still up in the air but I appreciate that you like the idea. Regardless since you are only CONCORD Militia it would only be right that you can, shall we say... occasionally BEND the rules a little.
However I would also instigate extremely harsh penalties for anyone found commiting criminal activities while employed in the service of CONCORD. After all no one likes a crooked cop yet to have one on your side should be a very powerful tool.
My understanding of this game is that it is supposed to be player-run but the fact that we are at the mercy of an intersteller NPC corp without say, leeway or ANY player input what-so-ever annoys me greatly.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.05.21 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sharp Feather
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
if you want to be the like the cops you should make a defence league like me and settle in a hellhole like i did lol. you should defend lisbaetanne.
Wait wait, you are in lisbaetanne...defending people? Well make sure to kill BFISH he got me there. ( Im a low SP lvl 3 mission runner )
rancer defence league only operates in rancer for now but i know bfish i will tell him you said hi lol visit my blog for my adventures
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Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 16:24:00 -
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This sounds good!
I want Jesus to be on my team! We can wear cowboy hats together and all the old guys will be there. Chribba will be my party friend and there will be lots of girls that like me. Plus, the Jita trillionaires will undock and give away free billions!
I have some ideas. CCP should put in holiday time. Like Halloween except call it "spooky space day" and decorate the systems with scary ghosts! And Christmas too, only we can call it "life day" and the wookies will be there.
CCP add dancing. I want to see my avatar move it so I can add it to my cool you tube site that gets 4 hits a year!
And one day we can go to the planets and there will be other games. Like CCP teams with wow and you can play wow when shuttled to a planet. Then we can dance together with orcs and taurens! Maybe others too. Planetside, Linage, FFXI?
I like this idea. It all starts with me being a jita sheriff in CONCORD.
btw vote for me in the CSM. I'm cool. Free burritos to the first fifty thousand votes! *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |

Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 16:25:00 -
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o' CCP please don't ban me, for I know not what I do. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |

Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.05.21 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox This sounds good!
I want Jesus to be on my team! We can wear cowboy hats together and all the old guys will be there. Chribba will be my party friend and there will be lots of girls that like me. Plus, the Jita trillionaires will undock and give away free billions!
I have some ideas. CCP should put in holiday time. Like Halloween except call it "spooky space day" and decorate the systems with scary ghosts! And Christmas too, only we can call it "life day" and the wookies will be there.
CCP add dancing. I want to see my avatar move it so I can add it to my cool you tube site that gets 4 hits a year!
And one day we can go to the planets and there will be other games. Like CCP teams with wow and you can play wow when shuttled to a planet. Then we can dance together with orcs and taurens! Maybe others too. Planetside, Linage, FFXI?
I like this idea. It all starts with me being a jita sheriff in CONCORD.
btw vote for me in the CSM. I'm cool. Free burritos to the first fifty thousand votes!
you sir, have won this thread. _______________________
with a name as trustworthy as mine, i cant POSSIBLY be an alt
Originally by: CCP Navigator I locked this thread BECAUSE OF FALCON
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Faminn
Riddle Me This
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Posted - 2009.05.21 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sirius Snape I want to wardec his stupid face.
Not sure why that tickles me so much, but it does.
Maybe it's just the "Donald" look on the OP's avatar.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.21 18:06:00 -
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so lets add a new FW system between CONCORD and pirates... players can join respective militias and alter the sec status in systems as the tides turn
~~~~~ Remember, EVE is a sandbox and other MMOs are rock gardens. Pretty rocks can be collected, but collecting sand is pointless. Instead build a sandcastle and keep it from being knocked down. |

Jita Security
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Posted - 2009.05.21 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda so lets add a new FW system between CONCORD and pirates... players can join respective militias and alter the sec status in systems as the tides turn
That sounds really cool too. It would be amazing to think of a popular mission or trade hub suddenly becoming low sec or new ones opening up in other places as they become "safe" and for it to all depend on where the players themselves are winning battles for their respective sides.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The-Kissaki
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Posted - 2009.05.21 18:56:00 -
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this is a much better idea then anything you've suggested __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |

Galen Gallente
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Galen Gallente on 21/05/2009 19:05:04
Originally by: Lonzo Kincaid one of these days ccp are gunna get sick of people *****ing about concord, and just remove them and tell everybody to defend highsec their damn selves.
That would be one of the dumbest things they could do. If you look at game populations when the Player Killer type has free reign it is the first sign of a game that will fail and fail hard. That does not mean that no one will play it but you drive away all of the other 3 player types. Achiever, Explorer and Social players, for as much as people hate "care bears" on these forums it is the mass amounts of "care bears" that allow for games to survive.
I hate how over 1/2 of the game is unplayable until you hit 20Millions+ skill points to even stand a chance against the players that have been here for years. The skill point curve is another aspect of this game that will very shortly need to be looked at.
The 2M+ skill points of learning should be given right off the bat to new players. That is over a month of time wasted learning learning skills rather than actually playing the game. Another system that will need to be looked at is a way to actively gain skills. Especially since there is now a way to loose skill other than death, well for a few specialized skills anyway.
So lets say all new characters start out with 2M of learning skills all of them at rank 4 both basic and advanced.
2-3M should have a 200-300% training bonus. 3-5M should have a 150-250% training bonus. 5-9M should have a 75%-150% training bonus. 9-17M should have a 25%-75% training bonus. 17-33M should have a 0-25% training bonus.
Or if not learning skills granted.
0-1M 500% bonus 1-2M 400% bonus 2-4M 300% bonus 4-8M 200% bonus 8-16M 100% bonus 16-32M 50% bonus
The point is for this game to prosper rather than just limp along with reasonable growth the game needs a way to get new players into the game and keep them here.
My friend and I recruited 4 other real life friends into the game over the past month. All of them have said if it was not for the fact that my friend and I played this game they would have quit while still under the free trial.
The mission system sucks. It sucks hardcore. The missions are not explained or balanced well. Say what you will about Warcraft or hell even Vanguard but they hands down kick EVE's ass when it comes to tutorial and into questing. PVE players can eventually become PVP players but PVE players are what pay the bills.
The PVE content in this game needs a complete overhaul, the new starting tutorial are much better than when I remember starting on this character. I started a second account with my friends just to start a combat focused character.
That is another thing this game has next to nothing structured for non combat players to do.
All PVE content started in .5+ should always stay in .5+.
All Missions should have a "Meta" section where it lists any restrictions that will be encountered in the mission. I.E. warp gate level/ship restriction.
I could rant more this got away from me. Oh well.
As my friends that just started and I joke. EVE is the best game we pay to not play while we wait for skills to train.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:08:00 -
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-3/10 BECAUSE OF FALCON. Guide to forum posting |

Malvaceae Veri
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Security
Originally by: Alora Venoda so lets add a new FW system between CONCORD and pirates... players can join respective militias and alter the sec status in systems as the tides turn
That sounds really cool too. It would be amazing to think of a popular mission or trade hub suddenly becoming low sec or new ones opening up in other places as they become "safe" and for it to all depend on where the players themselves are winning battles for their respective sides.
Could be duable, but would open up a lot of greifing. Imagine for example 50-60 AAA guys (alliance picked at random) showing up in Motsu and turning it into a 0.2. A bit too much of an all hell breaks loose.
So, the sec loss should be limited by one or two ways:
either allow only 0.5 systems to degrade, or allow only one point of degradation (06-->05 for example) per month or so.
Yes, I can hear your cries of "stop carebearing", but fact is, EVE does need some "safer" space for starters and the like. ______________________________ (sig begins here)
Thy life is failfit! |

Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:14:00 -
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LET'S REMOVE PIRACY
YOU HEARD ME!
No more negative security status, minimum at 0 and maximum at 10. no more negative, bounty removed being useless as they are, ls gates and station being guarded by CONCORD.
That would fix it for good. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Concorduck LET'S REMOVE PIRACY
YOU HEARD ME!
No more negative security status, minimum at 0 and maximum at 10. no more negative, bounty removed being useless as they are, ls gates and station being guarded by CONCORD.
That would fix it for good.
 BECAUSE OF FALCON. Guide to forum posting |

Enraku Reynolt
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.21 19:29:00 -
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you want to be a cop
hell, sweep the low sec gate camps and youll be doing a world of good
honestly tho, I consider the courier contract system a bigger fail than CONCORD ------------------------------------------------ Do not let the world change you. Change the world
Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same |

Attrezzo Pox
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Galen Gallente Edited by: Galen Gallente on 21/05/2009 19:05:04
That would be one of the dumbest things they could do. If you look at game populations when the Player Killer type has free reign it is the first sign of a game that will fail and fail hard. That does not mean that no one will play it but you drive away all of the other 3 player types. Achiever, Explorer and Social players, for as much as people hate "care bears" on these forums it is the mass amounts of "care bears" that allow for games to survive.
I hate how over 1/2 of the game is unplayable until you hit 20Millions+ skill points to even stand a chance against the players that have been here for years. The skill point curve is another aspect of this game that will very shortly need to be looked at.
The 2M+ skill points of learning should be given right off the bat to new players. That is over a month of time wasted learning learning skills rather than actually playing the game. Another system that will need to be looked at is a way to actively gain skills. Especially since there is now a way to loose skill other than death, well for a few specialized skills anyway.
So lets say all new characters start out with 2M of learning skills all of them at rank 4 both basic and advanced.
2-3M should have a 200-300% training bonus. 3-5M should have a 150-250% training bonus. 5-9M should have a 75%-150% training bonus. 9-17M should have a 25%-75% training bonus. 17-33M should have a 0-25% training bonus.
Or if not learning skills granted.
0-1M 500% bonus 1-2M 400% bonus 2-4M 300% bonus 4-8M 200% bonus 8-16M 100% bonus 16-32M 50% bonus
The player-killers also pve and they don't do it in high sec usually.
Secondly, I know you like other MMOs, but eve isn't fair for a reason. It's designed to be a really hard game. First of all, I've had my ass handed to me on more than one occasion by a new player with only a couple million skillpoints. It happens, the 20mil+ skillpoint rule by alliances is put there to prevent you from #1 spys, the idea is that you're probably not a spy if you're using a reasonably powerful char you could sell otherwise and b it ups the stakes. In order to spy you have to dedicate a decent char and #2 many don't feel they have the time or resources to deal with new players and the baggage they come with.
There shouldn't be ANY special boosters to new players. Why? Because you're new. None of us had that luxury and upon starting new characters we still don't. But good friends are worth more than isk in this game so stop station camping and go out and make some.
You know what I'm tired of? I'm tired of people joining such a good game and choking these forums to death with complaints about how unfair it all is. See my post about eve psychiatry. Eventually, I'll stop reading the forums but I'm bored right now so I have nothing to do but complain about complaining on the forums.
So there. *-------------------------* PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!! |

Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:19:00 -
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there is alreayd alot of dedicated corps and alliances that specifically hunt pirates - thats why I initially formed Retribution (hence the name) until we got bored and became semi pirates ourselves 
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Vidi Angelus
Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.05.21 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Galen Gallente Edited by: Galen Gallente on 21/05/2009 19:05:04
Originally by: Lonzo Kincaid one of these days ccp are gunna get sick of people *****ing about concord, and just remove them and tell everybody to defend highsec their damn selves.
That would be one of the dumbest things they could do. If you look at game populations when the Player Killer type has free reign it is the first sign of a game that will fail and fail hard. That does not mean that no one will play it but you drive away all of the other 3 player types. Achiever, Explorer and Social players, for as much as people hate "care bears" on these forums it is the mass amounts of "care bears" that allow for games to survive.
I hate how over 1/2 of the game is unplayable until you hit 20Millions+ skill points to even stand a chance against the players that have been here for years. The skill point curve is another aspect of this game that will very shortly need to be looked at.
The 2M+ skill points of learning should be given right off the bat to new players. That is over a month of time wasted learning learning skills rather than actually playing the game. Another system that will need to be looked at is a way to actively gain skills. Especially since there is now a way to loose skill other than death, well for a few specialized skills anyway.
So lets say all new characters start out with 2M of learning skills all of them at rank 4 both basic and advanced.
2-3M should have a 200-300% training bonus. 3-5M should have a 150-250% training bonus. 5-9M should have a 75%-150% training bonus. 9-17M should have a 25%-75% training bonus. 17-33M should have a 0-25% training bonus.
Or if not learning skills granted.
0-1M 500% bonus 1-2M 400% bonus 2-4M 300% bonus 4-8M 200% bonus 8-16M 100% bonus 16-32M 50% bonus
The point is for this game to prosper rather than just limp along with reasonable growth the game needs a way to get new players into the game and keep them here.
My friend and I recruited 4 other real life friends into the game over the past month. All of them have said if it was not for the fact that my friend and I played this game they would have quit while still under the free trial.
The mission system sucks. It sucks hardcore. The missions are not explained or balanced well. Say what you will about Warcraft or hell even Vanguard but they hands down kick EVE's ass when it comes to tutorial and into questing. PVE players can eventually become PVP players but PVE players are what pay the bills.
The PVE content in this game needs a complete overhaul, the new starting tutorial are much better than when I remember starting on this character. I started a second account with my friends just to start a combat focused character.
That is another thing this game has next to nothing structured for non combat players to do.
All PVE content started in .5+ should always stay in .5+.
All Missions should have a "Meta" section where it lists any restrictions that will be encountered in the mission. I.E. warp gate level/ship restriction.
I could rant more this got away from me. Oh well.
As my friends that just started and I joke. EVE is the best game we pay to not play while we wait for skills to train.
Absolute nonsense. the only advantage a vet has is versatility. For example, only a dozen or so skills apply to interceptors, after that there is no way to (Skills wise) be better at flying a ceptor.
If a new player specialises, they can be on even footing very quickly.
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