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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:33:00 -
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OK, I'm doing missions and noticed that you can progress in agent standing fairly quickly...that is until you hit 9.0. Takes for freaking ever to get to 10.
So what is the logic behind this? You're still doing the same old boring missions.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:38:00 -
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(10-current standing)*gain
as you can see infinite time to get to 10.0
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
(10-current standing)*gain
as you can see infinite time to get to 10.0
So we are never supposed to reach 10 then?
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Amerilia on 23/05/2009 07:39:18
I am stuck at 9.9 so I guess you cant hit 10.0
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:42:00 -
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Well, you can hit 10 with the Noob Tutorial mission agent. That's kind'a misleading. I thought you could do the same with all agents.
Thanks for the info...now I know to stop.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:53:00 -
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A 10.0 standing with some agent is so much much easier than getting a 10.0 standing with a faction.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.05.23 07:57:00 -
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It is possible... somewhat. At some point your 9.9 standing with an agent will round upwards to 10, though it never will be a perfect 10, more like 9.9999999999999998
I have 1 level 4 agent to 10, took "some" missioning though... 
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:05:00 -
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I have 10 standing with the Tash-Murkon family. Took me quite a while to get it from 9.95 to 10. Not sure how many digits back it goes for rounding up though.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
I have 10 standing with the Tash-Murkon family. Took me quite a while to get it from 9.95 to 10. Not sure how many digits back it goes for rounding up though.
9.994 displays as 9.99
9.996 displays as 10.0
not sure about 9.995 though 
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:28:00 -
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Why would you want to have it at 10 anyways ?
The only reason might be role-playing maybe, but it won't give you more isk. I had my main agent, corp and faction at 10 a while ago, the agent gave a fixed amount of LP for the hard missions (8539 that was if i remember well) and 2 - 3.5 mil in direct rewards (reward+time bonus).
Then i got the standings down with cherry-picking, the faction is around 9, the corp around 4-6 and the agent is around 0, sometimes close to -2 if i get a row of bad missions, sometimes up to 5 with few good missions. And guess what. Still the same fixed amount of lp (8539) and I didn't notice any changes in direct rewards as well. Seems like the standing towards the agent doesn't matter, bringing it to 10 is useless to you.
My skills Faction Standings: Serpentis +8.02 / Angel Cartel +8.57 / Gallente Federation -9.97 |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/05/2009 08:32:00
Originally by: iudex
Why would you want to have it at 10 anyways ? The only reason might be role-playing maybe, but it won't give you more isk.
It's +1 to the EQ compared to having it at 9.xx, so it's slightly more ISK (even if negligible), and a slightly better chance of a "better" mission.
Granted, it's no big deal, but to say it doesn't matter at all isn't quite right.
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I didn't notice any changes in direct rewards
Just because you didn't notice them doesn't mean they're not there at all...
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 08:42:00 -
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I don't know, Akita T, the max lp are always the same fixed amount, the direct payment may be different, can't say it for sure because it's fluctuating anyways, but the diffrence must be tiny if there is one. And since the direct payment is a fraction of the complete reward anyways (e.g. 3 million direct reward vs 8.5k lp, 20mil bounty + loot for extravaganzas).
Also i didn't notice any change in the quality of given missions, but this is hard to tell anyways, did you make a longterm study or something, or where do you have this information from, that the missions get better ? Is there a dev statement on that ?
From a rough estimation I can say the mission quality and frequency didn't change much in the last 3 years (except that some new ones are added and others were removed).
On the other hand the effective standing may be affected by the faction standing, so when i have -1 with agent but +9 with faction i don't feel the diffrence to +10 much (+9 vs +10 and not -1 vs +10).
My skills Faction Standings: Serpentis +8.02 / Angel Cartel +8.57 / Gallente Federation -9.97 |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/05/2009 09:38:44
Originally by: iudex
the diffrence must be tiny if there is one
One point of EQ above zero is one percent extra to raw payments... so, yeah, it is tiny
Originally by: iudex
On the other hand the effective standing may be affected by the faction standing, so when i have -1 with agent but +9 with faction i don't feel the diffrence to +10 much (+9 vs +10 and not -1 vs +10).
No, EQ is only affected by personal agent standings, the only thing corp/faction standings are good for is agent access.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
A 10.0 standing with some agent is so much much easier than getting a 10.0 standing with a faction.
Which is nothing compared to getting a 10 with an empire
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2009.05.23 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 23/05/2009 09:46:46
Originally by: Akita T
... the only thing corp/faction standings are good for is agent access.
ok so it's only vaguely related to the topic, but don't forget about refining / recycling fees and the reduction thereof :P
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.23 10:11:00 -
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Yeah, sure, but those are not related to agents 
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Landrassa
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Gnulpie
A 10.0 standing with some agent is so much much easier than getting a 10.0 standing with a faction.
Which is nothing compared to getting a 10 with an empire
Ehmm, the empires are factions? 
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.05.23 12:56:00 -
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there's a couple people i know with agent standings that display as 10
for one of them, they appear above the tutorial agent
i.e. thier standings list looks like:
Avel Souniler (Mission agent) 10.0
Budu Jatred (Tutorial agent) 10.0
other agents 9.0
etc.
so is that a true 10? or still just because of the rounding?
Cos i'd have thought the tutorial agent was a true 10, so for another agent to appear above them, then EVE can't just be rounding a 9.99999, no?
Yes.
Yes, I am. |
iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.23 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
there's a couple people i know with agent standings that display as 10
for one of them, they appear above the tutorial agent
i.e. thier standings list looks like:
Avel Souniler (Mission agent) 10.0
Budu Jatred (Tutorial agent) 10.0
other agents 9.0
etc.
so is that a true 10? or still just because of the rounding?
Cos i'd have thought the tutorial agent was a true 10, so for another agent to appear above them, then EVE can't just be rounding a 9.99999, no?
This is a good observation and it shows that the system is treating a 10.0 like a 10.0 and not a rounded 9.999999. As soon as they are at 10.0 they get sorted by name, if they were rounded the 9.999999 would be above 9.992342, right ?
I saw this with my corp standings a while ago, there is a Caldari corp that i had 10.0 for ages gut kept doing storyline missions for it, so that must have been lots of 9 behind the dot. But as soon I got Arch Angel corp standing to 10.0, it was listed above the Caldari corp. Since corps are sorted by how high the standing is, the 10.0 must be rounded to a perfect 10.0, at least by the position sorting program.
But since we are discussing hypothetic mathematical things without any importance ... did you know that 0.999...(...=infinite amount of 9s) equals 1 ? There were some threads about it already, but there are still people who believe 0.999... is < 1 and not = 1, although its mathematically proven that 0.999... = 1. 
My skills Faction Standings: Serpentis +8.02 / Angel Cartel +8.57 / Gallente Federation -9.97 |
Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.05.23 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
Why would you want to have it at 10 anyways ?
Just a goal for some.
Its like all EVE, you set goals and try to meet them.
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Allzat
Amarr
Nitrogen Narcosis.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Allzat on 24/05/2009 04:49:33
Yes ..... 10.00 with a corp takes some time but when I got my 10.00 with Amarr it took somewhere around 50 or so storyline missions it seemed like to get the 9.99 to 10.00
The only thing you get from the high faction standings are faction ship bpc's once you get the standings above 9.0 and it can be a nice little bit of isk for the wallet. Here is the link for what standings, tags, and other info you need to get the ship bpc's.
It was a long goal, but it was one I set to keep me busy in-game. Working on Khanid to 10.00 atm 
Faction Ship BPC Linkage
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:40:00 -
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What's a storyline mission? Seriously, with all the missions I've done I haven't seen one for my L3 agent...and it's annoying because it's a long grind to L4....
Also, I believe "perfect" no-tax refines occur at around 8.5 standing or something like that...I think the mining guide shows it.
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Allzat
Amarr
Nitrogen Narcosis.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:50:00 -
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Storyline is the "important" mission that gives faction standing boost. You get it after 15 missions.
The refine is "perfect" for standings at 6.75 I believe.
-Allzat-
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Lidirt
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Allzat
Working on Khanid to 10.00 atm
I worked on Khanid for a while just because I wanted to buy some Khanid Navy Ballistic Controls. Mostly because I've never seen one for sale... anywhere.
It's the same as Caldari Navy stats-wise AFAIK, but nobody has them, thought I'd try to get one for the hell of it. Gave up when I went back to nullsec.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.05.24 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Allzat
Storyline is the "important" mission that gives faction standing boost. You get it after 16 missions.
Fixed that for you.
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2009.05.24 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Contralto on 24/05/2009 08:31:13
If you want to peek at your standings to any entity load up Eve-HQ.
It has a plugin (CorpHQ) that displays all your characters standings to 16 places. right clicking the individual standings enables you to extrapolate to any desired goal figure by entering either an averaged mission standing award or entering a list of the previous standing gains.
Example my indicated 10.00 to Fed Navy is in fact 9.99990885962968 with skills. or 9.99989149955914 without .
Progress is painfully slow, I have done over 50 lvl V missions and countless lvl IV and storylines with FN since I hit 9.9951, which is the point that 10 is indicated.
I had an indicated 10 to Gallente but I declined a Lvl V storyline that knocked me back to 9.98983674748526. I will need to run 11 storylines of 5% to crack an indicated 10 again.
Corporation standings transfer service for Hisec Pos, 9.99 to Gallente, 9.64 to Minmatar
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2009.05.24 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Contralto on 24/05/2009 09:05:32
To illustrate the OP's question/statement
It would take approx 174 missions of 3% to raise a 9 standing to an indicated 10. (9.9951)
To raise a 0 standing to 9 takes only 76 3% missions
Corporation standings transfer service for Hisec Pos, 9.99 to Gallente, 9.64 to Minmatar
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XSarah
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:41:00 -
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You all can come to 0.0 so I can blow up your ships.
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gfldex
Kabelkopp
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:59:00 -
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I got 3 agents at 10.00 but neither of them wanted to marry me. :(
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