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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.05.23 14:21:00 -
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I've been seeing alot of shows on mars and how we should colonize it. I think it's silly to expect to find another planet like earth or to try to terraform a planet to earth-like conditions. My opinion is space stations are the way to go for space colonization. What do you think?
Space Stations
Pros:
Ability to control atmosphere/environment
No Natural disasters
Any location you want
Ability to move (from comets/asteroids)
Cons:
Resource heavy (relies on air,water supply being brought in)
Mechanical/strutural failures
Planets
Pros:
Ozone for micro comets/asteroids to be burned up
Resources
Cons:
Vunerable to larger comets/asteroids
Natural Disasters
Limited Resources
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.05.23 14:43:00 -
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That prison planet Rid**** escaped from seems interesting.
However we are in no position to think about either. Our first objective should be to build a base on the moon but first we need to find a way to navigate through space without getting fried by the suns radiation. Right now the only way we know how to avoid glowing in the dark is by sitting in a 6m thick concrete and lead lined room. That is not the idea.
I personally can't wait and I hope we leave this planet soon, it would be glorious to set foot on other planets. My heart weeps, though, with the thought that we, like virusses, will eat and destroy everything in our path.
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Greenlike ish
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Posted - 2009.05.23 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Greenlike ish on 23/05/2009 15:15:10
And then we find a wormhole to new eden which we carelessly investigate and get partially swallowed up by and we're back at eve day 1.
On topic, I'm more of a planetside colonisation. I don't think we should make the entire atmosphere of the planet livable for human beings and the other living stuff we bring from the Earth. Planetside 'stations' Is more my thing.
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Culmen
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.23 15:14:00 -
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Overall I have to agree with you, Space Stations are the way to go.
But specifically, i have alot of issues
Space stations CANNOT be put anywhere.
Its limited essentially to Lagrange points, anywhere else and it'll have a tendency to crash
Or drift into an orbit that results in crashing.
Space stations are going to have roughly the same material requirements as a planet bound colony.
The big killer for planet based colonization is Re-entry and return.
Atmostphere thick enough to stop comets is going to be good at stopping you from dropping large strucutures.
The construction materials will need to be small enough to be boosted into space AND THEN survive re-entry
Where as a space colony can be built with anything that can be put into space.
This includes stuff that could be mined from asteroids.
And once you got a hulk and some factory slots, your human population should be determined more or less by how easily you can feed them.
Which BTW, the space colony actually has the advantage. The fact that a planet has soil, doesn't mean a plant can readily use it. It'll have to be tinkered with anyway, so it might not be different from asteroid soil. And the space colony has access to as much sun light as it's orbit allows, no atmosphere mucking around with the math.
So yeah, Gundam minus the mecha works better then Total Recall minus the aliens
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.23 15:32:00 -
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A planetary colony has the advantage of available resources right there from the planet. Only a core colony needs to be established with the basic gathering/production plants and it can expand indefinitely on its own, depending on the planetary conditions and resources.
A space colony needs any and all material for expansion to be moved to it. It is vulnerable to (small) asteroid impacts and solar flares. It has advantages in space travel as there is no gravity well to overcome when launching ships.
Asteroid colonies would be a combination of both types, gaining greater availability of resources and some protection while having only a minimal gravity well to overcome.
A expanding civilization will use all means of settlement though, no need to restrict oneself.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.05.23 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 23/05/2009 16:39:53
 Originally by: Abrazzar
A planetary colony has the advantage of available resources right there from the planet. Only a core colony needs to be established with the basic gathering/production plants and it can expand indefinitely on its own, depending on the planetary conditions and resources.
A space colony needs any and all material for expansion to be moved to it. It is vulnerable to (small) asteroid impacts and solar flares. It has advantages in space travel as there is no gravity well to overcome when launching ships.
Asteroid colonies would be a combination of both types, gaining greater availability of resources and some protection while having only a minimal gravity well to overcome.
A expanding civilization will use all means of settlement though, no need to restrict oneself.
Having both is probably the best answer but I still think planet colonization is more hassel then it's worth. Even if we could terraform a planet to support life the odds of the planet having a massive supply of h2o and other essential substances is very slim. We would probably have to import those substances anyway.
Space stations also have the ability to control the environment which is a huge advantage.
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Legionos McGuiros
Caldari
Novus Aevum Transport and Industries
Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
Which BTW, the space colony actually has the advantage. The fact that a planet has soil, doesn't mean a plant can readily use it. It'll have to be tinkered with anyway, so it might not be different from asteroid soil. And the space colony has access to as much sun light as it's orbit allows, no atmosphere mucking around with the math.
Dont need soil to grow plants.
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BlackDragonShadow
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:35:00 -
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Planets all the way. Colonizing planets will help us control our own planet better due to the technologies that will arise from it. Also planets are generally bigger and tougher. On a planet you don't have to worry about something the size of a screw going 100,000 miles a second slamming into a window and blowing out all the air.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.23 17:36:00 -
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Why not both? Build space stations as refueling and refitting platforms that can accept several people and a ship(or space elevator)brings the indviduals planetside.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 02:15:00 -
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Planets with skyhooks
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silly person
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Posted - 2009.05.24 04:07:00 -
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Colonize asteroids \0/
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.24 04:57:00 -
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In the end, planets are just really, really big space stations.
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Ficha Pritty
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Posted - 2009.05.24 05:17:00 -
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I can tell you that we will colonize in this order
1) Asteroid Colonization: Why first?
It got all the minerals we need for a station with a lot of iron!
2) Moon Colonization: Moons with water would be my second in the list. Also that moon that got a lot of methane will be a attraction to companies that will harvest it.
So if you wanna make a investment in space in the future, tell your sons to get to a water-moon fast!
3) Planet Colonization: Mars, etc etc
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.05.24 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDragonShadow
Planets all the way. Colonizing planets will help us control our own planet better due to the technologies that will arise from it. Also planets are generally bigger and tougher. On a planet you don't have to worry about something the size of a screw going 100,000 miles a second slamming into a window and blowing out all the air.
this whole thread makes me think and wonder about why we don't go for planets in 0.0 space :/
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