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Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:02:00 - [1] - About the company. The Bitter Sea Trading Company is a privately traded organization that does not tie itself to a single profit making venture. If an opportunity arises in any sector, the organization will seek to capitalize on it; not limiting itself to a single area of trade. The organization is ran by two "business savvy" people, myself and my wife. My wife has the financial acumen to handle my company finances in the real world, and has always been great at spotting opportunities to capitalize on. You guys may not trust her, but I do. See a need, fill a need. If we see a market shortage of a specific item, we'll manufacture it (we provide the majority of our own minerals, so profit returns are greater) and sell it for a considerable return. If we see a trading opportunity, such as the ability to buy a popular item that usually sells for 200,000 ISK per unit, for a fraction of this cost - of course we'll jump on it. The basic principles of time trading are something I am extremely familiar with, it's how I got to where I am in the real world. We also look at the bigger picture, returns on researched BPO's several months down the line. Copying of said BPO's to BPC's for increased sale revenue. You get the picture. Whilst the company does offer attractive monthly returns, serious investors will be looking at a long term investment based on increased share value. We aim to become big, and I'm too stubborn to back down on that idealism. -- - Dividends. On the 1st day of each calendar month, dividend payments are issued with the following returns in mind. 40% of the generated profit from the previous calendar month is equally split amongst the shareholders. The remaining 60% is reinvested into the company, therefore providing increased capital for further growth, and increasing the value of each and every share exponentially. -- - Shares. There were initially 1000 shares issued at 1M per share, these were snapped up in under an hour. Following a resolution proposed last night in order to allow the company to participate in larger volume trading, an additional 1500 shares are set to be created in roughly 7 hours. The initial offering limited users to a maximum of 200 shares per person. With the creation of these additional shares, no such limitation is in place. The organization cannot forcibly buy back your shares at any time, nor does it limit the buyback value of your shares to a certain percentage. The value of a share changes on a day to day basis, and you are free to trade them as you see fit. However, prior to trading a share; please contact the corporation. This is solely for our records. If you are interested in selling your shares back to the corporation at fair market value, then you can contact myself or Eiroze. We will never decline anyone who wishes to sell their shares back. -- - Auditing. An audit is currently in progress. A character link audit has been performed by two non-biased people, and a full audit is in progress by a respected auditor. -- - Contact. I can be contacted in-game via evemail or private chat, or in this thread. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Kouryusei on 23/05/2009 20:03:52 - Share listing. All currently available shares are now either sold out or reserved. - Payment records. This section will be updated once the first dividend payment is issued. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Kouryusei on 23/05/2009 20:06:23 I would firstly like to apologize for my uncouth attitude that I displayed in my previous thread, I now realize that the posts made towards my investment opportunity were not hostility - but more a careful warning to adhere to proper practices. After having gone over the history of this forum today, I now understand that nothing personal was meant by it, and retrospectively speaking, I got off lightly. So, yet again, I would like to apologize for any untoward attitude that I may of shown to another forum member. A public audit is forthcoming. Fly safe and good profits to all. o/ ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:04:00 - [4] lol Black Sun Empire
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Ray McCormack on 23/05/2009 20:06:23 Originally by: Kouryusei - Auditing. An audit is currently in progress. A character link audit has been performed by two non-biased people, and a full audit is in progress by a respected auditor. Names please, confirmation please. I have zero respect for unnamed auditors. Also, not you again, Ralph? WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:07:00 - [6] Edited by: Ji Sama on 23/05/2009 20:07:29 Brock is on the audit... Also confirming investment of 640M Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Ray McCormack Edited by: Ray McCormack on 23/05/2009 20:06:23 Originally by: Kouryusei - Auditing. An audit is currently in progress. A character link audit has been performed by two non-biased people, and a full audit is in progress by a respected auditor. Names please, confirmation please. I have zero respect for unnamed auditors. The full audit is being done by Brock Nelson, a recommended auditor who appears to be fairly respected round here. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Nuldat	Posted - 2009.05.23 20:16:00 - [8] I would like to reserve 20 shares, pending the completion of the full audit (and a post by the auditor).
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:00:00 - [9] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/05/2009 21:01:01 I guess we'll just have to wait for an auditor then. Black Sun Empire
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:19:00 - [10] Confirming reservation of shares to the value of one hundred million ISK in Bitter Sea Trading. Payment contingent on satisfactory audit by Brock Nelson.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:27:00 - [11] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 23/05/2009 21:15:08 Kouryusei is exhibiting signs of Riethe-ness and his intrapay trading companion whose release he insists to delay is actually a bad joke (nothing more than a manufactured JPG). As it is a free product which I am developing in my spare time, I will delay it until I am happy with it; it's that simple. :) Aside from that, reported for trolling. If you have comments regarding intraPAY, direct them to the right thread. If you have a comment regarding this investment opportunity, then by all means, post it in this thread. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: YouGotRipped Kouryusei is exhibiting signs of Riethe-ness and his intrapay trading companion whose release he insists to delay is actually a bad joke (nothing more than a manufactured JPG). As it is a free product which I am developing in my spare time, I will delay it until I am happy with it; it's that simple. :) I beg to differ Sir, for now let's wait for that audit. Black Sun Empire
RJ Nobel	Posted - 2009.05.23 21:31:00 - [13] I am not an investor in Bitter Sea, and at this point I have no desire to invest. That being said, Kouryusei deserves some acknowledgement for re-opening his IPO thread. Admitting to a mistake, especially in the often-hostile MD environment, isn't easy. Good luck to Kouryusei and his investors.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.05.24 07:30:00 - [14] Confirming that I'm auditing Kouryusei Blueprint Store
Mme Pinkerton Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.24 09:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Kouryusei If we see a market shortage of a specific item, we'll manufacture it (we provide the majority of our own minerals, so profit returns are greater) and sell it for a considerable return. ever heard of opportunity cost? (hint: you can't sell minerals you use for manufacturing)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.24 09:02:00 - [16] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/05/2009 09:06:45 Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Originally by: Kouryusei If we see a market shortage of a specific item, we'll manufacture it (we provide the majority of our own minerals, so profit returns are greater) and sell it for a considerable return. ever heard of opportunity cost? (hint: you can't sell minerals you use for manufacturing) FFS, the guy created his char on 08.05.2009 sure he'll manufacture it. Black Sun Empire
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:30:00 - [17] Edited by: Kouryusei on 24/05/2009 17:35:44 Edit: This audit was performed by Brock Nelson, his name doesn't appear to be anywhere. Here are the results of the audit, I have asked Brock Nelson to post in the thread to confirm these are the actual results. http://intrapay.co.uk/audit.pdf Following are my replies to any concerns raised within it. -- Quote: Personal liability of 400M. As this was a personal loan made to me initially before I had any actual ISK. I did not find it relevant to the IPO as this could be easily repaid through the sale of a few Teamspeak server rentals (amongst other things, I received 500M as a retainer from a prominent forum member simply to give him technical advice; so generation of ISK is not a problem \o/). It is not linked to the corporation, and is not a liability. It will be repaid within the allotted timescale, and would of been done sooner had I not been using the personal ISK generated to get further within the game. :) Skills. The Kou Avery account was created today solely to burn through the trading skills with the 1.6M SP boost. Eiroze focuses on hauling (she has limited skills as she is solely targeted towards a freighter), whilst I focus on manufacturing (amongst other things). As a side note, Eiroze is not my account; it is that of my wife. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:31:00 - [18] If as a result, any reserved shareholders would not like to pull out; please state so in this thread. Existing shareholders, contact me in-game if you would like to back out. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:50:00 - [19] lol, what? Black Sun Empire
RJ Nobel	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:07:00 - [20] Edited by: RJ Nobel on 24/05/2009 18:11:45 Why exactly are you posting Brock's audit for him? I suspect that Brock sent the results to you for a review and response. Did Brock ask you to post the results for him (which would be exceedingly odd), or did you decide to publish the results on your own? I'm not directly saying that you altered the results or are in any way trying to be deceptive. However, posting the audit like this is, IMHO, quite harmful to the validity of the audit. I'm not accusing you of being a scammer. I think you've tried to meet all the reasonable criteria that MD can provide for identifying scammer's. Unfortunately, this adds another error to a series of poor decisions regarding your IPO. Honest or not, you're not making a good impression. Edit: And just so I'm clear, I think Brock did a good job with the audit - as posted by Kouryusei...
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:22:00 - [21] Edited by: Brock Nelson on 24/05/2009 18:23:30 Sorry about that guys, I was under the impression that I was to post the audit result myself. I've sent the result to Kouryusei for him to review prior to my posting the result, I didn't actually said it was ok for him to post it. Edit: I reviewed the posting by Kouryusei and didn't find much differences. Seems everything happened too fast. Any ways, here's my result posting so that it can't be altered. The Bitter Sea Trading Company IPO Audit Result Business Plan Analysis The business plan is a bit vague; the IPO document states that Bitter Sea Trading Company will do trade and manufacturing. Corporation HereÆs a quick financial overview of The Bitter Sea Trading Company: Liquid Asset: 855m Market Orders: 873m Asset: 564m Total NAV: 2,294b The majority of funding came from sales of PLEX on the market. Character Analysis As part of Character Analysis, I went through Eve-search, corporate history and skill to verify that there is no scam attempts, questionable conducts, omitted information that may not have been included on the OP. Kouryusei IÆve searched for this Character through Eve-search for prior posting history and very little is found outside of Market Discussion. Some were found for timecard purchase, vent server rental, and purchase of blueprints. A quick look at his transaction reveals trading in common market items, however looking at his journals; one interesting entry was found: 1.Undeclared Liabilities? 400,000,000 were loaned to Kouryusei @ 20% for 31 days. This was found in comments of a transfer between Kouryusei and omitted by request. Liabilities were not listed in the IPO document. The IPO document states that the business plan involves doing manufacturing and trading. Transaction entries has shown that trade is being conducted; however it should be noted that there is a lack of extensive trade skill that are relevant (ie: lack of skills and standing to drive down transaction tax cost, etc). Kouryusei does however have sufficient skill to do manufacturing and is currently working on improving his refinery and production efficiency skills. Other Alts Kouryusei has 3 accounts, each one has only one alt in it; the oldest being Kouryusei at an age of less than a month. Both alts have no posting history, nor do they have many skills. -Eiroze was created on May 6 and will be used for hauling goods. -Kou Avery was created on May 24 and has not had any skilled started as of this time. Notable Information I should point out that Kouryusei had made some purchase from Flux Technologies Inc for blueprints. Those blueprints are researched blueprints, mostly T1 Shield Modules that were sold at NPC price as opposed to Research Cost price due to slow turnaround. Final Thought Trade history is unproven and marginal at best but Kouryusei has found some good deals that can be used to make good profit margin. Eve Online û Verify Employment History Evemon û Verify Skill EMMA û Verify trade history Blueprint Store
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:24:00 - [22] Originally by: RJ Nobel Edited by: RJ Nobel on 24/05/2009 18:11:45 Why exactly are you posting Brock's audit for him? I suspect that Brock sent the results to you for a review and response. Did Brock ask you to post the results for him (which would be exceedingly odd), or did you decide to publish the results on your own? I'm not directly saying that you altered the results or are in any way trying to be deceptive. However, posting the audit like this is, IMHO, quite harmful to the validity of the audit. I'm not accusing you of being a scammer. I think you've tried to meet all the reasonable criteria that MD can provide for identifying scammer's. Unfortunately, this adds another error to a series of poor decisions regarding your IPO. Honest or not, you're not making a good impression. Edit: And just so I'm clear, I think Brock did a good job with the audit - as posted by Kouryusei... I honestly did not see a problem with uploading it, and getting him to confirm. If this is against generic MD policy, then I apologize to the utmost. Brock will be posting the audit himself as well. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:39:00 - [23] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/05/2009 18:46:53 Originally by: Brock Nelson [...] Final Thought Trade history is unproven and marginal at best but Kouryusei has found some good deals that can be used to make good profit margin. This is a little bit too focused to not be someone with previous playing experience. Scam content has evolved, pretty much as I predicted (trading for a limited time (fresh char, small volume) in an attempt to render the audit useless). Also it's quite possible that previously he refused an audit in order to stall for time needed to delete a potentially compromising char. Black Sun Empire
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:53:00 - [24] Originally by: YouGotRipped Also it's quite possible that previously he refused an audit in order to stall for time needed to delete a potentially compromising char. It's possible but that's for everyone to judge, its up to investors to put the one and one together. As an auditor, I'm merely given access to verify some of the things that Kouryusei says, has done, and can do. I didn't detect anything indicate that there has been a prior character that got deleted. Blueprint Store
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:57:00 - [25] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 24/05/2009 18:50:48 Originally by: Brock Nelson [...] Final Thought Trade history is unproven and marginal at best but Kouryusei has found some good deals that can be used to make good profit margin. This is a little bit too focused to not be someone with previous playing experience. (2 weeks???) Scam content has evolved pretty much as I predicted (trading for a limited time (fresh char, small volume) in an attempt to render the audit useless). Also it's quite possible that previously he refused an audit in order to stall for time needed to delete a potentially compromising char. Nothing anyone will say will ever change my mind in regards to his true identity. I do indeed have previous playing experience, albeit limited. I played briefly during the beta, and again during last summer. It doesn't exactly take long to find out what makes a profit, either (I received advice from more then one trader, when I asked for it). In regards to the "stall for time needed", as soon as that was stated; I had two independent people check the character list for that sole purpose. Yes, you caught me out - I'm Santa Claus. Jesting aside, I'm sure over time I can prove otherwise to you. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:51:00 - [26] Quote: Business Plan Analysis The business plan is a bit vague; the IPO document states that Bitter Sea Trading Company will do trade and manufacturing. You mean the IPO document in the opening post of this thread, or a confidential document provided to you? Either way, did you attempt to obtain more detailed information from Kou to satisfy yourself as the auditor that the plan is feasible? Quote: Corporation HereÆs a quick financial overview of The Bitter Sea Trading Company: Liquid Asset: 855m Market Orders: 873m Asset: 564m Total NAV: 2,294b The majority of funding came from sales of PLEX on the market. What¦s your definition of liquid assets? Journal cash? I understand some people have already invested. Where is this reflected in the accounts? Quote: Kouryusei does however have sufficient skill to do manufacturing and is currently working on improving his refinery and production efficiency skills. He¦s not going to be an efficient producer until he hits production efficiency five. How long will that take? What percentage of his business plan is based on manufacturing versus trading? Quote: Notable Information I should point out that Kouryusei had made some purchase from Flux Technologies Inc for blueprints. Those blueprints are researched blueprints, mostly T1 Shield Modules that were sold at NPC price as opposed to Research Cost price due to slow turnaround. Are there any other outstanding transactions pending between Flux and Bitter Sea? Quote: Final Thought Trade history is unproven and marginal at best but Kouryusei has found some good deals that can be used to make good profit margin. That isn¦t clear. Could you expand on it, please?
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:01:00 - [27] Quote: That isn¦t clear. Could you expand on it, please? That would require disclosing my actual trading practices, which I am not willing to do. Suffice to say I am following "buy low, sell high" on high-margin items. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Varo Jan Quote: Business Plan Analysis The business plan is a bit vague; the IPO document states that Bitter Sea Trading Company will do trade and manufacturing. 1. You mean the IPO document in the opening post of this thread, or a confidential document provided to you? Either way, did you attempt to obtain more detailed information from Kou to satisfy yourself as the auditor that the plan is feasible? Quote: Corporation HereÆs a quick financial overview of The Bitter Sea Trading Company: Liquid Asset: 855m Market Orders: 873m Asset: 564m Total NAV: 2,294b The majority of funding came from sales of PLEX on the market. 2. What¦s your definition of liquid assets? Journal cash? I understand some people have already invested. Where is this reflected in the accounts? Quote: Kouryusei does however have sufficient skill to do manufacturing and is currently working on improving his refinery and production efficiency skills. 3. He¦s not going to be an efficient producer until he hits production efficiency five. How long will that take? What percentage of his business plan is based on manufacturing versus trading? Quote: Notable Information I should point out that Kouryusei had made some purchase from Flux Technologies Inc for blueprints. Those blueprints are researched blueprints, mostly T1 Shield Modules that were sold at NPC price as opposed to Research Cost price due to slow turnaround. 4. Are there any other outstanding transactions pending between Flux and Bitter Sea? Quote: Final Thought Trade history is unproven and marginal at best but Kouryusei has found some good deals that can be used to make good profit margin. 5. That isn¦t clear. Could you expand on it, please? Numbered for easy reference 1. There is no other document other than what is presented in this thread. During a private convo between Kouryusei and myself; he had stated that he intends to use his main char for trading, one of his alt for hauling and the other for production. 2. Liquid asset is simply cash, economics 101. 3. Production Efficiency V will take 11 days and 14 hours. What percentage of his business is for him to define. Like I said in the business plan analysis, his plan is vague. 4. There is no other outstanding transaction between Flux Technologies and The Bitter Sea Trading Company. Be happy that I even mentioned this point in the first place. 5. His trade history is unproven simply because he's a one month old player. My belief is that in order to be a proven trader, you'll have to experience both successful trade and trades that backfire on you. Blueprint Store
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/05/2009 21:26:40 just to clarify, i was under the impression that the hauler was his wife not his alt.... or? edit: his account should reflect a deposit of 640M of TMP Industries liquids. Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/05/2009 21:26:40 just to clarify, i was under the impression that the hauler was his wife not his alt.... or? edit: his account should reflect a deposit of 640M of TMP Industries liquids. Eiroze is my wife, as I've posted more then once, and emailed Brock (Secondly, Eiroze is not my account; it is that of my wife, :).). :) The account does indeed reflect that deposit, once it hit my account; it was added to the corporation; and your deposit went straight onto a tasty high margin opportunity I saw. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Keyser Kahn Stellar-Parallax Corp	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:37:00 - [31] Edited by: Keyser Kahn on 24/05/2009 22:41:49 Posting to confirm the purchase of 100 shares in TBSTC - Monies sent and shares received. Thanks Kou and as ever - good luck Edited to add: Have purchased an additional 90 shares in TBSTC brining total to 190 - Monies sent and shares received.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Kouryusei Shares The organization cannot forcibly buy back your shares at any time, nor does it limit the buyback value of your shares to a certain percentage. The value of a share changes on a day to day basis, and you are free to trade them as you see fit. However, prior to trading a share; please contact the corporation. This is solely for our records. If you are interested in selling your shares back to the corporation at fair market value, then you can contact myself or Eiroze. We will never decline anyone who wishes to sell their shares back. How will this 'fair market value' be assessed?
Maxwell Terallis	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:31:00 - [33] Edited by: Maxwell Terallis on 25/05/2009 00:31:47 Realizing there are no more shares remaining for this corporation. Editing my post as such.
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:48:00 - [34] Just a small end note.. Considering how fast these IPOs seem to sell out, I think there is two things to consider.. 1. Prices are wrong? 2. Interest in the secondary markets, and willingness to take big risks are mature for a lot more activity. Which brings me to think we desperately need ebank exchange to launch.. And we need more services and some promotion of meta-gaming.. To the masses.. - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.28 17:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Kouryusei Edited by: Kouryusei on 23/05/2009 20:03:52 - Share listing. All currently available shares are now either sold out or reserved. Share listing, please.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.05.31 08:50:00 - [36] yea more information is needed.. how did the vote go about regarding the dividend, and if so. what where the votes, because i know what i voted, and i should have some influence on what the outcome should be, i also heard from other investors what they voted and tbh, something doesnt ad up! Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.31 11:54:00 - [37] Current Shareholders. Companion Qube: 1. Eiroze: 50. Festidious Verrucas: 200. Keyser Kahn: 190. Kharse: 200. KirikaPhoenix: 350. Kouryusei: 451. Lecherito: 101. Miranda Zoar: 10. mynnna: 1. Professor Leech: 5. Savaran Zhayedan Spah: 100. Tash-Murkon Prime Industries: 640. Teavan: 100. thebarry: 1. Varo Jan: 100. -- The dividend vote went as follows. Yes (Postpone): 74.4%. No (Do Not Postpone): 25.6%. -- Ji, I'm not sure how it doesn't add up for you; you are able to influence 25.6% of the votes. Perhaps some people voted incorrectly, which isn't under my control. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.05.31 13:54:00 - [38] thanks for sharing that :D i stand corrected it seems :D Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.31 16:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Kouryusei Current Shareholders. Companion Qube: 1. Eiroze: 50. Festidious Verrucas: 200. Keyser Kahn: 190. Kharse: 200. KirikaPhoenix: 350. Kouryusei: 451. Lecherito: 101. Miranda Zoar: 10. mynnna: 1. Professor Leech: 5. Savaran Zhayedan Spah: 100. Tash-Murkon Prime Industries: 640. Teavan: 100. thebarry: 1. Varo Jan: 100. -- The dividend vote went as follows. Yes (Postpone): 74.4%. No (Do Not Postpone): 25.6%. -- Ji, I'm not sure how it doesn't add up for you; you are able to influence 25.6% of the votes. Perhaps some people voted incorrectly, which isn't under my control. I voted no. Lecherito wasn¦t around to vote. You claimed in an EVE mail that you had voted no: Quote: 2009.05.27 16:37 Hello, Following up on the recently proposed vote, I would like to state I am personally against postponing. More then one shareholder has come to me suggesting such a move however, so I thought I would put it to a majority vote. I however, have personally voted no. :) - Kou. So no, the numbers do not add up. What was the point of the 1 ISK total dividend to shareholders on 27 May? What profits did Bitter Sea generate in May? What¦s the ROI since incorporation? Finally, if corp shares amount to 2500, why does corp information in-game only show 1500 shares? Did Brock verify that the unanimous vote to increase shares from 1000 to 2500 was actioned?
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.05.31 17:02:00 - [40] Quote: if corp shares amount to 2500, why does corp information in-game only show 1500 shares? Because it's bugged. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.31 17:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Kouryusei Current Shareholders. Companion Qube: 1. Eiroze: 50. Festidious Verrucas: 200. Keyser Kahn: 190. Kharse: 200. KirikaPhoenix: 350. Kouryusei: 451. Lecherito: 101. Miranda Zoar: 10. mynnna: 1. Professor Leech: 5. Savaran Zhayedan Spah: 100. Tash-Murkon Prime Industries: 640. Teavan: 100. thebarry: 1. Varo Jan: 100. -- The dividend vote went as follows. Yes (Postpone): 74.4%. No (Do Not Postpone): 25.6%. -- Ji, I'm not sure how it doesn't add up for you; you are able to influence 25.6% of the votes. Perhaps some people voted incorrectly, which isn't under my control. I voted no. Lecherito wasn¦t around to vote. You claimed in an EVE mail that you had voted no: Quote: 2009.05.27 16:37 Hello, Following up on the recently proposed vote, I would like to state I am personally against postponing. More then one shareholder has come to me suggesting such a move however, so I thought I would put it to a majority vote. I however, have personally voted no. :) - Kou. So no, the numbers do not add up. What was the point of the 1 ISK total dividend to shareholders on 27 May? What profits did Bitter Sea generate in May? What¦s the ROI since incorporation? Finally, if corp shares amount to 2500, why does corp information in-game only show 1500 shares? Did Brock verify that the unanimous vote to increase shares from 1000 to 2500 was actioned? 1) That was me testing how the dividend system worked. 2 + 3) You can wait for the monthly report in order to see these figures. I will not be making them available prematurely. 4) As stated in the post above mine, it is a well known fact that the share total displayed is bugged. As it stands, it seems that you are unhappy with your investment. If you would like a refund on your shares, please send me an in-game mail; I have plenty of people who would be more then happy to take them up. :) Whilst I stated I had voted no, I had not yet voted and was intending to do so as a "no". After further thought, I decided against this and voted "yes". The vote to postpone the dividend until a full month had passed was shown as successful by the in-game corporation voting utility, and that is the decision I will be following. I will not be answering any more questions on this matter, as I consider the matter closed. If you wish to reclaim your money, then send me an in-game mail. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.31 17:14:00 - [42] http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1716/dividend.jpg http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/624/shares.jpg ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.05.31 18:33:00 - [43] thank you for taking the time to explain this. no need to get defensive. :D Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.05.31 20:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Ji Sama thank you for taking the time to explain this. no need to get defensive. :D Sorry, was in a bit of a hurry; didn't mean to appear defensive. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.02 11:11:00 - [45] Originally by: ingenting Quote: if corp shares amount to 2500, why does corp information in-game only show 1500 shares? Because it's bugged. Thank you. I wasn¦t aware of that. Do you know if the voting process is bugged too?
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.02 11:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Kouryusei I however, have personally voted no. :) Quote: Whilst I stated I had voted no, I had not yet voted and was intending to do so as a "no". Hu? English is your mother tongue, isn¦t it? "I have voted no... but on second thoughts I hadn¦t really, I only said so cause..." In other words you lied. Quote: What profits did Bitter Sea generate in May? What¦s the ROI since incorporation? You can wait for the monthly report in order to see these figures. I will not be making them available prematurely. Prematurely? It¦s June now. Your wife is a financial expert, no? It should take her no time at all to run your numbers for part-May. Or do you intend to postpone reporting on the May results as well as dubiously postponing paying people? Quote: The vote to postpone the dividend until a full month had passed was shown as successful by the in-game corporation voting utility, and that is the decision I will be following. Ji Sama and I voted against. Lecherito and Kharse were away. Do the maths. The numbers do not add up. Tell you what, ask CCP to check it. Quote: I will not be answering any more questions on this matter, as I consider the matter closed. Oh no, it doesn¦t work that way, mate. You took money from the public, so you have a duty to respond in public. Throwing a petulant fit doesn¦t cut it. Quote: As it stands, it seems that you are unhappy with your investment. If you would like a refund on your shares, please send me an in-game mail; I have plenty of people who would be more then happy to take them up. :) I¦m unhappy with your lack of professionalism, performance and your attitude. Just reverse the transaction - send me my money, and I¦ll return your shares.
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.06.02 14:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: ingenting Quote: if corp shares amount to 2500, why does corp information in-game only show 1500 shares? Because it's bugged. Thank you. I wasn¦t aware of that. Do you know if the voting process is bugged too? It's not AFAIK. But you can apply a vote to create more shares twice (epic fail bug thats been around for years...). _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
glas mir Reaction Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.02 14:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Varo Jan I¦m unhappy with your lack of professionalism, performance and your attitude. Just reverse the transaction - send me my money, and I¦ll return your shares. I would buy those shares at 1M per.
glas mir Reaction Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.02 17:45:00 - [49] buying varo's shares. 100M isk sent.
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.02 19:34:00 - [50] Originally by: glas mir buying varo's shares. 100M isk sent. Confirming money received from and shares sent to glas mir.
Dzil Caldari Waffles Reloaded	Posted - 2009.06.02 19:42:00 - [51] I think all shares are now spoken for, but I'll put a bid down for 200 shares (200m) if anyone else is upset by this recent result. I should be online somewhere in the 0:00 - 2:00 eve time, assuming our servers stay up. EVEmail is preferred. -Dzil ------------------------------ In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming. When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
glas mir Reaction Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.02 21:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Varo Jan Confirming money received from and shares sent to glas mir. confirming shares received, thanks.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.03 14:28:00 - [53] [ Post reserved for May report. ] ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.05 11:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Kouryusei [ Post reserved for May report. ] The report has been delayed as my wife has gone into early labour, I won't be around for a couple of days (just popping on for an hour to update orders). As a quick calculation though, based on the initial 2.5B capital; the total of all assets, liquid funds, e.t.c has shown roughly a 29% growth since the completion of this round of funding. I will be issuing another vote in-game once I get back, as some people seem to think that the voting system is bugged. If people wish for the May dividend to be paid and not rolled over into the next dividend, you've got another shot. :) - Kou. o/ ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.06.05 12:10:00 - [55] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Kouryusei [ Post reserved for May report. ] The report has been delayed as my wife has gone into early labour, I won't be around for a couple of days (just popping on for an hour to update orders). As a quick calculation though, based on the initial 2.5B capital; the total of all assets, liquid funds, e.t.c has shown roughly a 29% growth since the completion of this round of funding. I will be issuing another vote in-game once I get back, as some people seem to think that the voting system is bugged. If people wish for the May dividend to be paid and not rolled over into the next dividend, you've got another shot. :) - Kou. o/ Think we have been here with the potentially buggy voting system, just cannot find the thread ATM (anyone help?). Think it occurs in "free votes" but the system votes work okay. Put a "void/abstain" as the first choice (the default?), then a clearly defined choice for "delay" or "payout" as the next two choices. Long time since I created a vote, so not sure if this will work.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.06 09:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Kouryusei [ Post reserved for May report. ] The report has been delayed as my wife has gone into early labour, I won't be around for a couple of days (just popping on for an hour to update orders). As a quick calculation though, based on the initial 2.5B capital; the total of all assets, liquid funds, e.t.c has shown roughly a 29% growth since the completion of this round of funding. I will be issuing another vote in-game once I get back, as some people seem to think that the voting system is bugged. If people wish for the May dividend to be paid and not rolled over into the next dividend, you've got another shot. :) - Kou. o/ In your original IPO thread you stated that 40% of profits would be paid out individends every motnh. Why suddenly do investors have to vote to get any dividends at all? This is TOTALLY against your business plan. You also stated that you would purchase any shares back at market value and wouldn't turn anyone down. According to your calculations above the value has invreased by 29%. If I was an investor I would cash the shares for the 29% value increase. If the OP doesn't buy them back, and isn't paying dividends then this is definately a SCAM.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.06 09:25:00 - [57] changing the BP was a bad idea imo, also the reason i voted against it.. :(
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.06 13:48:00 - [58] Edited by: Kouryusei on 06/06/2009 13:51:04 After speaking with a couple of investors in-game, it does indeed seem that the voting system has bugged. As a result, dividend will be paid shortly. Edit: Dividend now paid. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.06 13:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Kouryusei Edited by: Kouryusei on 06/06/2009 13:51:04 After speaking with a couple of investors in-game, it does indeed seem that the voting system has bugged. As a result, dividend will be paid shortly. Edit: Dividend now paid. Dividend of 290M has been paid. This is calculated as 40% of 725M (29% growth). ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.06 13:54:00 - [60] Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Kouryusei [ Post reserved for May report. ] The report has been delayed as my wife has gone into early labour, I won't be around for a couple of days (just popping on for an hour to update orders). As a quick calculation though, based on the initial 2.5B capital; the total of all assets, liquid funds, e.t.c has shown roughly a 29% growth since the completion of this round of funding. I will be issuing another vote in-game once I get back, as some people seem to think that the voting system is bugged. If people wish for the May dividend to be paid and not rolled over into the next dividend, you've got another shot. :) - Kou. o/ In your original IPO thread you stated that 40% of profits would be paid out individends every motnh. Why suddenly do investors have to vote to get any dividends at all? This is TOTALLY against your business plan. You also stated that you would purchase any shares back at market value and wouldn't turn anyone down. According to your calculations above the value has invreased by 29%. If I was an investor I would cash the shares for the 29% value increase. If the OP doesn't buy them back, and isn't paying dividends then this is definately a SCAM. I haven't refused to purchase any shares back, and I never refused to pay dividends - I checked to see if people would rather have a larger initial dividend payment (as opposed to a partial month); it did not bother me at the end of the day either way. :) Dividend has now been paid, and I'll check my evemail later for any concerns. ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.06.06 15:24:00 - [61] Confirmation of payment (dividend) received; 2009.06.06 13:50 Total of 11,600,000 ISK received in wallet made using one in-game dividend payment totalling 290,000,000 ISK by Kouryusei. Using The Bitter Sea Trading Company (ticker: TBSTC) shares in my wallet confirms a 116,000 ISK dividend per share. This dividend means 2,500 shares are in existence. Total received to date (1,000,000 ISK per share IPO value): ( 116,000 ISK dividend per share : 11.60% return ) -- --- -- DesuSigs
Talek Miriden	Posted - 2009.06.17 21:38:00 - [62] If someone is interested in backing out i would happily buy the shares from you, up to a point of 300-400 shares or so :), based on his growth / projections (yea i know im a !, just came back to eve)
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/05/2009 21:26:40 just to clarify, i was under the impression that the hauler was his wife not his alt.... or? Eiroze is my wife, as I've posted more then once, and emailed Brock (Secondly, Eiroze is not my account; it is that of my wife, :).). :) Your wife has just given birth to a prematurely born boy, correct? Yet she has the time to run a new POS delivery service? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1105284 Or is someone else (you?) using her account. If it¦s you, I really don¦t understand why you¦re taking on yet another activity when you¦re failing miserably on your other stuff.
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/05/2009 21:26:40 just to clarify, i was under the impression that the hauler was his wife not his alt.... or? Eiroze is my wife, as I've posted more then once, and emailed Brock (Secondly, Eiroze is not my account; it is that of my wife, :).). :) Your wife has just given birth to a prematurely born boy, correct? Yet she has the time to run a new POS delivery service? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1105284 Or is someone else (you?) using her account. If it¦s you, I really don¦t understand why you¦re taking on yet another activity when you¦re failing miserably on your other stuff. Failing miserably on my other stuff? Let's see, TSBTC is running nicely; and returned a nice dividend at the beginning of the month. Intrapay is running nicely, but it's currently being used by myself and only a few people; due to quite bluntly, the whining ******ed clique that seems to frequent these forums (of which you seem to be a part). Nope, not failing; doing pretty well, freighter service going nicely as well. :) o/
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:32:00 - [65] Try answering the key question. Is your wife running the POS service? Paying dividends in month one only after significant pressure - fail. Breaking numerous promises on the cache reader - fail. Clear enough?
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Varo Jan Try answering the key question. Is your wife running the POS service? Paying dividends in month one only after significant pressure - fail. Breaking numerous promises on the cache reader - fail. Clear enough? 1) I am doing it. 2) Significant pressure? I went with what the voting system initially told me, and after contacting investors in-game to confirm what they voted; went with the majority. 3) Due to the attitude of the people on these forums, I'm only providing it to people who are... how do I put it, not douchebags like you? :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.24 22:58:00 - [67] Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Varo Jan Try answering the key question. Is your wife running the POS service? Paying dividends in month one only after significant pressure - fail. Breaking numerous promises on the cache reader - fail. Clear enough? 1) I am doing it. 2) Significant pressure? I went with what the voting system initially told me, and after contacting investors in-game to confirm what they voted; went with the majority. 3) Due to the attitude of the people on these forums, I'm only providing it to people who are... how do I put it, not douchebags like you? :) I don't know about you guys but I for one am eagerly awaiting the expansion. Black Sun Empire
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:05:00 - [68] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Varo Jan Try answering the key question. Is your wife running the POS service? Paying dividends in month one only after significant pressure - fail. Breaking numerous promises on the cache reader - fail. Clear enough? 1) I am doing it. 2) Significant pressure? I went with what the voting system initially told me, and after contacting investors in-game to confirm what they voted; went with the majority. 3) Due to the attitude of the people on these forums, I'm only providing it to people who are... how do I put it, not douchebags like you? :) I don't know about you guys but I for one am eagerly awaiting the expansion. All further expansions will be privately funded by myself. :) ----- eveHOSTED - Hosting you can afford. eveTALK - Ventrilo / Teamspeak at affordable prices. intraPAY - A market tool of some kind... >_>.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Kouryusei 3) Due to the attitude of the people on these forums, I'm only providing it to people who are... how do I put it, not douchebags like you? :) Why your beta testers have no beta? EVE Knowledge
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:14:00 - [70] Originally by: Kouryusei All further expansions will be privately funded by myself. :) You know what, I actually believe you, you'll do well to keep a low profile from now on. Black Sun Empire
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.24 23:20:00 - [71] Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/06/2009 23:19:48 Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Kouryusei Originally by: Varo Jan Try answering the key question. Is your wife running the POS service? Paying dividends in month one only after significant pressure - fail. Breaking numerous promises on the cache reader - fail. Clear enough? 1) I am doing it. 2) Significant pressure? I went with what the voting system initially told me, and after contacting investors in-game to confirm what they voted; went with the majority. 3) Due to the attitude of the people on these forums, I'm only providing it to people who are... how do I put it, not douchebags like you? :) I don't know about you guys but I for one am eagerly awaiting the expansion. well sorry for being a douchebag then :( TMPI
Kouryusei Caldari The Bitter Sea Trading Company	Posted - 2009.06.25 01:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Varo Jan Clear enough? Let's see, is this clear enough for you? Now, whilst I know you're probably some kid living in their parents basement, hoping they can use daddy's credit card to pay for their next subscription; I have zero commitment towards you, is that hard to understand? You are not an investor of mine, based upon your post history and what I can gauge from your typing patterns; you're just someone who is trying to act important in this Excel spreadsheet MMO. Why not direct that energy somewhere useful? Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 24/06/2009 23:16:47 Originally by: Kouryusei 3) Due to the attitude of the people on these forums, I'm only providing it to people who are... how do I put it, not douchebags like you? :) Why your beta testers have no beta? And what is the meaning of this: Quote: Update @ 18:37 GMT. Migration complete, restoring database to new SQL Server node. Update @ 14:21 GMT. Currently migrating Intrapay platform to new machine. How is it that some priviledged people are using it but the site is broken? Where is the portable version? Because after seeing the attitude of the people on these forums, I'll be damned if I devote my time to giving them something if that is the way they act. My only job is to keep giving damn good returns to my investors, and giving this tool to people who deserve it. The "elitist" mentality round here is nothing short of moronic. People need to stop thinking they're so special over a game of spaceships and spreadsheets; and acting like they're better then people (OMG, YOU SCAM - I SAID SO). It's even funnier when coming from actual people who scam, such as YGR. It's also mildly funny when people who I have zero commitment towards, or care for (such as Varo); reply with the things such as they stated earlier. I have zero need or desire to respond to people like that. Did ya' ever think that I could be possibly running it (Intrapay) on another domain? It's an extremely simple bit of code, stuff like EMMA, Intrapay, EWA, e.t.c, can be done inside of a week by an experienced developer (no offence to Ambo, I know he was a beginner) :). Originally by: Ji Sama well sorry for being a douchebag then :( You're not a douche, evemail me if you want the internal intrapay url. Originally by: YouGotRipped You know what, I actually believe you, you'll do well to keep a low profile from now on. So says the con artist. Shouldn't you... I don't know... be stealing candy from a baby? Based upon your posting patterns, might I suggest you go see a doctor for potential MPD? :) - This is a serious comment, as I know a condition like that must affect your life greatly. ----- Now, how to finish this post. Ah, yes... I know how. A lot of the people in this particular sub-forum need to grow up and get a life. They need to stop being so damn paranoid and get off of their almighty high horse and stop acting so special. Take for example, the people accusing of the... what is it... TMP circle jerk? It's absolutely ridiculous, and people are saying it simply to try and make themselves look special. "LIEK OMG, LOOK - I SAY THEY IS SCAM, ATTENTION ON ME POINTING IT OUT". Now, there are certainly a few level headed people round here (Hexxx, Selene, Bobby, AM 155, cosmoray (if only because he is so blunt, and cuts to the chase), evalf, yadda yadda); sadly though, they're outweighed by the "OMFG IT'S A SCAM. LOOK AT ME" brigade. ----- If any existing investors want to pull out, evemail me; I'll buy back your shares when I'm next online. My job is to make you money, not pander to your delusions of grandeur. If you want healthy returns with no garbage attached, stick around; if you want me to kiss your ass and make you feel special, take your ISK elsewhere.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.25 03:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Kouryusei Did ya' ever think that I could be possibly running it (Intrapay) on another domain? It's an extremely simple bit of code, stuff like EMMA, Intrapay, EWA, e.t.c, can be done inside of a week by an experienced developer (no offence to Ambo, I know he was a beginner) :). I thought about that and the posibility that you could be running it from a pendrive too, but I don't understand the reason on it not being on the site you said it was going to be. My dissappointment comes from the fact that you have say so many times that the tool would be available at the next day or hours and it never was. I neither understand what you're (not) doing with the beta testers. YGR was responsible for the answers he got from the people before scamming and so you are. He justified his scam on people saying it is a scam, but he was the one provoking people to say that. It is normal to lose people's confidence when you do not do what you're saying or when you act widly. He engeneered his own down and I wouldn't be surprised discovering some of the people calling he scammer being his own alts, but I'm derailing my thoughts and I'll reserve my conspiracy theories for now. The thing is that you are provoking the responses, being it on purpose or not by not letting people verify even the existence of the app, I hope at least Ji will do so now. Originally by: Kouryusei Because after seeing the attitude of the people on these forums, I'll be damned if I devote my time to giving them something if that is the way they act. My only job is to keep giving damn good returns to my investors, and giving this tool to people who deserve it. Except for a few trolls, I'm sure a lot of people (me included) are willing to be grateful, but none will do it until we see something tangible to do so. Until then, you will attract only the trolls and people who gets dissappointed and then goes skeptical at best. It is just curious how you disregard the elitist and then you name the elite as "level headed people". If you're measuring the people on this forums with less than finger's hand numbers you're doing it wrong, and from those with an "attitude" I see skepticism more than anything else (keep YGR on another room), pretty justified on your behaviour in my opinion, not saying that you must do this or that, but saying something and doing another brings that. You have no commitments beyond the bitter sea, but I see no reason beyond the obvious to announce intra if you're not going to release it. I really hope that you don't go with the same path as YGR justifying your actions on what people say. I would like to get the internal intrapay url to test it too if you don't mind, I think that sending it to beta testers is the way to go, but that's up to you. Let me know through evemail if I can test it and let me know if/when are you going to release the app. I like L more than Light. EVE Knowledge
Stardust CEO Stardust Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.06.25 06:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Kouryusei (we provide the majority of our own minerals, so profit returns are greater) Uh wat?
Stardust CEO Stardust Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.06.25 06:31:00 - [75] Also, how dare you come into this subforum, beg for our isk, and go from an apologetic business man to an arrogant, belligerent prick once you get it?
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.25 08:17:00 - [76] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/06/2009 08:20:10 Originally by: Kouryusei Shouldn't you... I don't know... be stealing candy from a baby? Well... no, unlike you, I've grown up a long time ago. Originally by: Kouryusei Based upon your posting patterns, might I suggest you go see a doctor for potential MPD? :) - This is a serious comment, as I know a condition like that must affect your life greatly. I understand that you're a little bit upset and I assure you that although it might not seem like it, we share the same motivation for doing what we're doing (you scamming kids and me shooting down your offerings): SPORT, my good man, SPORT.
Teavan Gallente First CityWide Change Bank	Posted - 2009.06.25 12:56:00 - [77] Originally by: Stardust CEO Originally by: Kouryusei (we provide the majority of our own minerals, so profit returns are greater) Uh wat? It is true. You don't have to pay for hauling or market fees. Even if that only saves him 2%, that adds up quickly.
Dzil Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.06.25 12:58:00 - [78] Quote: If you want healthy returns with no garbage attached, stick around; if you want me to kiss your ass and make you feel special, take your ISK elsewhere. Would have made a better IPO summary, i.m.o. ;) I'm not surprised you'd take your funding private going forward either, at least for the next couple months. Commiting to paying shareholders millions/billions when there's a real life newborn to take priority IS a risky investment. I'd recommend you close the fund gracefully, and go enjoy one of the greatest gifts ever given to a man. EVE's fun, and you'll probably still be playing at 4am when the baby won't sleep. But being tied to paying out dividends isn't fun: it's a second job. In any case, I truly wish you the best of luck, Dzil
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.26 11:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Kouryusei Edited by: Kouryusei on 23/05/2009 20:03:52 - Share listing. All currently available shares are now either sold out or reserved. - Payment records. This section will be updated once the first dividend payment is issued. Update that, please. EVE Knowledge
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.07.11 16:24:00 - [80] i was wondering if there would be a dividend payment this month? we are around 5 days over according to my estimate...
Festidious Verrucas Draconis Alumni	Posted - 2009.07.11 21:16:00 - [81] Originally by: Ji Sama i was wondering if there would be a dividend payment this month? we are around 5 days over according to my estimate... Echo that quesiton. Fly safe, Fes.
Dzil Caldari StrwBerry Pancakes	Posted - 2009.07.13 14:52:00 - [82] KY, For your records, I have purchased 100 shares from Teavan, and 90 shares from Marcus Baltar. Good luck with the newborn, Dzil ---------------------- Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings ----------------------
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.07.21 16:58:00 - [83] hope everything is well with the kid and all :) would be nice to have an update (in case no emergency has happened ofc)
Festidious Verrucas Draconis Alumni	Posted - 2009.07.30 19:56:00 - [84] So, anyone actually had any contact with Kouryusei at all? Would be most appreciative of an update - even if it's some form or re-assurance it's not all over. Hope the sprog is well Kouryusei btw... try and find time to post a reply :) Fly safe, Fes.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:25:00 - [85] no divs, no contact. Fail
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:32:00 - [86] How long before it can be declared dead?
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:40:00 - [87] Any time now. Classic SCAM guidebook. 1. Launch in May 2. Didn't pay divs (changed policy from IPO document) 3. Argued with shareholders 4. Stated he wouldn't talk to MD 5. No more divs 6. No more posts Pretty dead I would say. External excuses don't really cut it, because of his attitude and IPO changes after launch. If there is anything else going on, he could post here and say there is a delay or something. Everyone would understand.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.07.30 22:48:00 - [88] I like step 1
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.07.30 22:55:00 - [89] Quote: Pretty dead I would say. External excuses don't really cut it, because of his attitude and IPO changes after launch. Those who read my not really symphatetic replies and comments about this investee, would not have invested in it nor in the hyped software and the rest "contour" stuff which is a photocopy of placing 10 items in 10 nearby stations in order to convince people that the trade hub price is not overpriced by large. This one was easy to predict. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.07.31 16:38:00 - [90] Originally by: Keyser Kahn Edited by: Keyser Kahn on 24/05/2009 22:41:49 Posting to confirm the purchase of 100 shares in TBSTC - Monies sent and shares received. Thanks Kou and as ever - good luck Edited to add: Have purchased an additional 90 shares in TBSTC brining total to 190 - Monies sent and shares received. kthxbye Black Sun Empire
Keyser Kahn Stellar-Parallax Corp Legio Mithras	Posted - 2009.08.02 19:33:00 - [91] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Keyser Kahn Edited by: Keyser Kahn on 24/05/2009 22:41:49 Posting to confirm the purchase of 100 shares in TBSTC - Monies sent and shares received. Thanks Kou and as ever - good luck Edited to add: Have purchased an additional 90 shares in TBSTC brining total to 190 - Monies sent and shares received. kthxbye Yes - well done with the detective work. Invested in this venture? - Check Lost isk in this venture? - Check Failing to see either the relevance or point of your post? Oh yes, yes indeed - Check
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.10.09 03:43:00 - [92] What ever happened to Kouryusei?
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.10.09 03:47:00 - [93] He scammed and vanished. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.09 08:26:00 - [94] Originally by: Frenden Dax He scammed and vanished. Still laughing at those who flamed me about my suspects. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.09 11:54:00 - [95] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Frenden Dax He scammed and vanished. Still laughing at those who flamed me about my suspects. Its funny VV because i dont see you posting anything in this thread, untill several mths after his disapearence... (gloating about investers losing isk is just fail) I would like for the auditor involved in this, to reveal sensitive data. Like the 2 accounts associated with this, the person lending him 400M just before the IPO launch etc. I would also like any info regarding his VT/TS for ISK service.(if there was indeed any VT/TS servers)
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.09 11:57:00 - [96] Quote: Its funny VV because i dont see you posting anything in this thread, I don't post only in this thread, search harder. It started when I stated he could not make in time to finish the alledged software in the claimed time and got some interesting answers and then continued off there. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.09 12:05:00 - [97] Yes i remember now, you grilled him in the other thread, sorry.
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.10.09 18:11:00 - [98] Brock, I would say at this point the manager has defaulted on his loan. Would you be willing to divulge the previously hidden details of your audit, to include his other alts and any further information available through the API? If his keys changed it will be a sure sign this can be written off as a scam, if they remain and there were no transfers it may just be in limbo. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.10.09 20:55:00 - [99] Edited by: Brock Nelson on 09/10/2009 20:55:09 Unfortunately, there's not much that can be revealed. The 400m loan from the omitted person is Bran Tslamary but I'm unsure how this will help. As pointed out in my audit, he has 3 accounts, each one has only one character. Eiroze and Kou Avery are those characters along with Kouryusei. The api key has been changed
Kou Kururugi	Posted - 2009.12.20 15:51:00 - [100] Due to a collision, I have been unavailable for some time. I hope you can understand that I had higher priorities on my list. I've just reactivated my account, and I'll look into reimbursing people shortly.
Pastrami Onrye	Posted - 2009.12.20 17:08:00 - [101] How is the baby, Kour?
Kou Kururugi	Posted - 2009.12.20 19:25:00 - [102] Originally by: Pastrami Onrye How is the baby, Kour? Great thanks, tried him on solids earlier today. :)
Keyser Kahn Stellar-Parallax Corp	Posted - 2009.12.22 11:43:00 - [103] Originally by: Kou Kururugi Great thanks, tried him on solids earlier today. :) Good news - pleased for you all
Festidious Verrucas Draconis Alumni	Posted - 2010.01.11 23:05:00 - [104] Originally by: Kou Kururugi I've just reactivated my account, and I'll look into reimbursing people shortly. So, as an investor, what's the news with this? I had missed this post entirely - but I' sorry to hear of your accident - and wish you well. Nearly a month on and I was wondering - did anyone actually get their investment reimbursed? I know I certainly did'nt. Fly safe, Fes.
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:36:00 - [105] Originally by: Festidious Verrucas Nearly a month on and I was wondering - did anyone actually get their investment reimbursed? I know I certainly did'nt. Do you believe the baby story? Do you believe the accident story? Do you seriously believe he has any intention of reimbursing you? Oh - don¦t forget the interest he owes you too. Think EBank.
Dzil Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.12 05:00:00 - [106] See, I got a soft spot for baby stories cuz I got three kids of my own. Still, whether burnout or scam, the odds of this ever paying out grow slimmer with every passing month. Like Ebank indeed. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2010.01.12 08:26:00 - [107] Don't lose hope guys, we cannot call it scam at this time. Black Sun Empire
Festidious Verrucas Draconis Alumni	Posted - 2010.01.12 16:06:00 - [108] I had actually decided to give the guy the benefit of the doubt over the baby but had written off the investment as a loss anyway - I did that when he 1st went AWOL and was always suspicious before hand. The fact that he never even released the beta of his software was proof enough that it was more than likely a scam. Then I read that post about his accident and his promise pay up which I'd missed which is why I replied again to this thread. Tho as I've said, I'd written off the investment - I certainly won't complain if he does end up repaying people. I reserve final judgement for a while longer. Fly safe, Fes.

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