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Nisd
Amarr
EvE Research Defence and Mining Corp
Eve Service Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nisd on 24/05/2009 11:28:08
I just made a new Alt, and get into the Rookie Channel, and the first thing i see is...... A bot that sells isk?
That is just not good? These guyz a new, don't know the rules. And they keeps getting spammede with isk sellers, item sellers, and other crap.
You should really monitor that channel. It is way worse then the recruitment channel. (10 times atleast)
My idea. Get some one to actually watch the channel? It is quite important to give them a good start?
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Kasi Kasai
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:26:00 -
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Might as well give them a break.
Now if you could combine this with a right click on character in local to report them for isk spam, instead of making a petition that lags you to death, that included what they said in its autop generated non laggy report? |
Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.25 04:05:00 -
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I can feel your pain, but I think it will be mostly worthless to have somebody monitor the channels for bots. The people who do spam recycle their characters at a rate that would put to shame even the most devout ecologist.
IMHO, they should give details about the legal and illegal methods of acquiring ISK as an emphasized part of the account creation process. The mere knowledge that there are completely legal methods of acquiring ISK would both virtually eliminate the illegal spammers and aid those of us who pay for our accounts using ETCs.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Commandobob
United Black Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.25 06:45:00 -
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or get more ISD members?
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Hexor V
I.M.M
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:09:00 -
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Or make trial accounts unable to speak in public channels.
This issue SOLVED
Contract scams and spam SOLVED
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 25/05/2009 10:33:28
 Originally by: Hexor V
Or make trial accounts unable to speak in public channels.
This issue SOLVED
Contract scams and spam SOLVED
I see advetisement, ow, looks like cool game, let's get the trial...
OK, rookie channel, ok, guys, how do you do missions? What? i am a rookie and i cannot ask questions in rookie channel? then who is gonna talk in rookie channel, whta is it for?
This is a very big problem.
Edit: Reported 2 spammers.
Hm... |
Nisd
Amarr
EvE Research Defence and Mining Corp
Eve Service Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip
I can feel your pain, but I think it will be mostly worthless to have somebody monitor the channels for bots. The people who do spam recycle their characters at a rate that would put to shame even the most devout ecologist.
IMHO, they should give details about the legal and illegal methods of acquiring ISK as an emphasized part of the account creation process. The mere knowledge that there are completely legal methods of acquiring ISK would both virtually eliminate the illegal spammers and aid those of us who pay for our accounts using ETCs.
That would be true. But i still think some one would end up buying it from isk sellers. As they really don't know what is leagal or not.
Originally by: Commandobob
or get more ISD members?
Not quite shure this would work. I don't think that a ISD member can mute or ban. |
Totally Hopeless
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Totally Hopeless on 25/05/2009 11:48:04
I started a 21 day trial just to see how the New Player Experience was (much better than the past!)... in my 21 days I filed 47 ISK spam petitions from the rookie channel and 6 or so from the corp channel... and that's only putting in a few minutes to set up training ques each day!
Yes, CCP definately needs to take a look at the rookie channel, even if all they do is hire a few new low wage interns who do nothing but watch the channel and r-click = BAN spammers on sight.
No need to conduct an investigation, no need for anyone to file a petition, the spammer is just gone, end of story.
They also need to implement the r-click 'spam' option that instablocks the spammer (from whatever channel) for the individual who used the selection. When enough spam reports add up the person is gagged for a rather lengthy period of time (think a few hours). If this continues, they're banned pending an investigation.
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Scientific Method
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:04:00 -
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Two fairly easy (labour-unintensive) possible solutions, surprised no one has implemented similar options before -
Maintain a database of ISK selling sites. Any message in a public channel that includes one of those addresses is auto-censored. Could auto-censor on other common ISK-seller terms too.
Anyone who is blocked by 5 or more people in Rookie chat within 30 seconds is prevented from posting to that chat again pending review by ISD or staff. |
mazzilliu
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 25/05/2009 14:11:59
just add a tool for volunteers to easily silence trial accounts only from talking in public channels. |
Zostera
Honour Bound
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zostera on 25/05/2009 15:31:46
Originally by: mazzilliu
Edited by: mazzilliu on 25/05/2009 14:11:59
just add a tool for volunteers to easily silence trial accounts only from talking in public channels.
This tbh, we already have rookie channel "mentors"? I seem to remember some from my early days in EvE.
If the mentors could right click ban it would solve the problem, allowing other people to right click report with an auto ban/review would open up a method of griefing so not in favour of that.
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De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Scientific Method
Two fairly easy (labour-unintensive) possible solutions, surprised no one has implemented similar options before -
Maintain a database of ISK selling sites. Any message in a public channel that includes one of those addresses is auto-censored. Could auto-censor on other common ISK-seller terms too.
Anyone who is blocked by 5 or more people in Rookie chat within 30 seconds is prevented from posting to that chat again pending review by ISD or staff.
The problem with this is the same problem with the text-only spam filtering in eMail. It works for about 5 minutes. Consider this:
www.eveonline.com
www.eveonline.com
They pretty much look exactly to you don't they? But I can assure you the software sees something completely different.
All that aside, I do support the absolute banning, without possibility of revocation, those found to be buying and/or selling ISK from an unacceptable source. |
Hexor V
I.M.M
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Posted - 2009.05.25 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 25/05/2009 10:33:28
Originally by: Hexor V
Or make trial accounts unable to speak in public channels.
This issue SOLVED
Contract scams and spam SOLVED
I see advetisement, ow, looks like cool game, let's get the trial...
OK, rookie channel, ok, guys, how do you do missions? What? i am a rookie and i cannot ask questions in rookie channel? then who is gonna talk in rookie channel, whta is it for?
This is a very big problem.
Edit: Reported 2 spammers.
Remove rookie channel or allow players willing to stay in there to stay in there and be PM'd by "rookies" who actually need help. Most answers to things can be answered in the evelopedia or should be. Perhaps if people read they will find their answer. Have you gone through the new player system recently? It's pretty informative. It's not hard to create work arounds that suffice. This more so detriments or stops ISK sellers and spam scams versus forcing new players to convo people and ask. Not a big problem at all.
Again, Nerf trial accounts speaking ability. |
Scientific Method
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Posted - 2009.05.25 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
The problem with this is the same problem with the text-only spam filtering in eMail. It works for about 5 minutes. Consider this:
www.eveonline.com
www.eveonline.com
They pretty much look exactly to you don't they? But I can assure you the software sees something completely different.
This is not a problem with links, because links have to be resolveable by a DNS server. If a DNS server doesn't resolve them to the right IP address, they don't work. And DNS server code is public domain. In fact, you could be really clever and use a DNS server to store your database of ISK sellers. Every link in a public message gets resolved on your special DNS server - if it returns the IP address of a known ISK seller or a flag value showing the link is known to be an ISK seller the message gets blocked.
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Riki Halcyon
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Posted - 2009.05.26 07:28:00 -
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It is a big problem. I started a trial account recently to check out some of the new training time bonuses and and try some fits. The Rookie channel was so busy that it was almost impossible to read or respond to anything.
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Hardin
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:50:00 -
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Would suggest that those voting in this thread go vote in this thread which was created earlier:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1070600
As soon as my alt blocks one ISK seller another one pops up. This problems seems to be reaching significant levels and I do think it is worth the CSM at least raising the issue with CCP.
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