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Denzien Omega	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it ****ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay.
leboe Dark Star Cartel Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:51:00 - [2] When I kill a NPC, the wreck has my name on it When I kill people like you, the wreck has your name on it explain that one to me
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it ***ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. 3yrs ago you ppl - carebears, whined to get agression on jet-can content theft. You got it, so you whined that you got killed now, be carefull what you wish for. --- I smack just for myself. Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Drakolus Amarr Canadian Imperial Armaments Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.24 17:58:00 - [4] Troll or not, I got a laugh IRL from this. "I'm going to give you a piece of my mind!" I got a mental image of a very upset, very petulant child building themself up into a tantrum. _____________________________________________
Lexa Hellfury SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:00:00 - [5] Yes, please, let me be flagged when I steal people's salvage
Grunanca Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it ****ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. No, its not stealing, when do people learn to read what the devs write!? Filthy carebears!
Arda Xi Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Yes, please, let me be flagged when I steal people's salvage Exactly. On another note, I do believe it is necessary to fix the lack of whitespace between signature and post.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:14:00 - [8] Lady Spank salvages Denzien Omega's QQ absorbing for OVER 9000 The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Kaz Yobnoc	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:28:00 - [9] Yes it is stealing, even if CCP says it's not. That is why we do it. We can steal all we want and there is nothing you can do about it.
Mikael Mechka	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it **ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. Salvaging isn't stealing. The devs based it off actual nautical law or somesuch thing, basically the wreck belongs to no one except the person who gets to it first. Technically speaking, the stuff in the wreck shouldn't flag them for combat either if we're going by the salvage rules, but as it's a can and can mechanics got changed to please miners so they could shoot ore thieves, people keep posting that salvaging is theft because taking from the can is a "criminal act". Do you know what would happen if salvage mechanics got changed to flag people for combat? Exactly what happened with the cans. People will salvage just so they they DO flag themselves for you, and as soon as you open fire they warp off and come back and relieve you of your pve fitted ship with their pvp fitted ship. Salvaging isn't stealing. If it bothers you that much, bring a buddy along to salvage for you, or stick a tractor and salvager in your highs. Or even move to a different system. I can understand your frustration, but you are assuming ownership of something that isn't actually yours. Venting on the forums just feeds those who do it for kicks just to annoy people. ------------------------------------------------- Originally by:** Lana Torrin I just reported you for being informative in a troll thread. Please leave.

Stinking Min	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Yes, please, let me be flagged when I steal people's salvage what she says
Malacath Azaria	Posted - 2009.05.24 19:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 aggravate my gameplay. Last I checked, there was nothing wrong woth griefing. Can't handle it? Go back to a childrens game, like WoW, where you can get banned for farting in front of the wrong person. So what if it has your name on it? It's called game mechanics. You leave something out in the open, someone will probably steal it, just like IRL. That you petitioned a GM over this represents gross stupidity, isn't there something about this on the main site? So, pirates invade level 4 mission because they have nothing else better to do? Hmm... aren't they pirating when they do that? Pirating. PIRATING. They have as much right to pirate as you do to run that mission. So suck it up & take it like a man (not an english man like you have so far), it's part of the game & if I know it agitates you (which it most obviously does) i'll do it even more.
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.24 19:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Mikael Mechka Technically speaking, the stuff in the wreck shouldn't flag them for combat either if we're going by the salvage rules, but as it's a can and can mechanics got changed to please miners so they could shoot ore thieves, people keep posting that salvaging is theft because taking from the can is a "criminal act". Who knows? Maybe it was not even intended that stuff in wrecks is treated like stuff in cans? But wrecks partly reuse the can mechanics, which were already there when wrecks were implemented... Did anyone ever try to report this as a bug since Revelations came out?
Aurakan	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:02:00 - [14] salvaging is stealing from the rats
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Muad' Dib Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it ****ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. 3yrs ago you ppl - carebears, whined to get agression on jet-can content theft. You got it, so you whined that you got killed now, be carefull what you wish for. bingo. carebear whines introduced can flagging, which created an entire profession of can flippers hoping to get shot at. what do you think is going to happen if you start shooting at people taking wrecks? they'll stop taking wrecks? JOIN THE ACCURSED!
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Aurakan salvaging is stealing from the rats I think that evertime a MR salvages a NPC wrekc they should be spammed from EVE mails from NPC's calling them a cowardly griefer noob scumsucker and threatening to get their 0.0 friends to kill you. The NPC should then proceed to smacktalk in local and hide in station. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.05.24 20:40:00 - [17] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Aurakan salvaging is stealing from the rats I think that evertime a MR salvages a NPC wrekc they should be spammed from EVE mails from NPC's calling them a cowardly griefer noob scumsucker and threatening to get their 0.0 friends to kill you. The NPC should then proceed to smacktalk in local and hide in station. THIS: but for every ship they kill plus some npcers spamming trade windows when you are docked (someone did this to me for WEEKS over 50m). The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Zoe Lind Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:22:00 - [18] Edited by: Zoe Lind on 24/05/2009 21:22:10 Ha! Your petulant tears are the main reason it's so fun. In fact the only thing more rewarding than the impotent rage of a mission runner in local is seeing them shoot their own wrecks out of blind frustration. Wait no...there is one thing more rewarding: Watching the explosion of a concorded mission runner BS.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:50:00 - [19] I 'killed' (concord assisted) 3 hypes in my first two weeks of mission running, was epic. I gotta get into it full time again XD The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Cyrdax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.24 21:55:00 - [20] Originally by: OP Salvaging is stealing but sharing is caring! --- tv where the horn go, boy can you top that?

The Smeegle	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:13:00 - [21] While everyone debates this....The Smeegle strolls in and mops up the tears....
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:19:00 - [22] I made the suggestion in the 'game ideas' forum to a post similar to this - I will re-iterate here for the pleasure of the OP. I do agree that stealing salvage should be a flagable offense. Though, I think that the person taking the salvage should get kill rights on the owner. Its only fair.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus Though, I think that the person taking the salvage should get kill rights on the owner. Its only fair. I've thought long and hard about this and I must say this is the most awesome idea EVER! Pomp FTW!!!
JonnyKay Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:37:00 - [24] if they make salvage stealing a killright offence, then im just going to fly into the mission as they're still killing things, blow up an NPC frigate and hope they loot / salvage it
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:11:00 - [25] Fine, make salvaging give you aggro. Within two weeks all the carebears will be whining about how unfair this is. We've seen it already with can flipping, what makes you think salvage theft will be any different? -----------
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:45:00 - [26] To Denzien Omega, Would you like some cheese with that whine. Also your stuff can I have Brechan
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 Blah blah blah but it ****ed me off blah blah Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense blah blah blah wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not blah blah blah I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. I like the cut of your jib.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:17:00 - [28] Edited by: Lady Spank on 25/05/2009 01:17:01 op should read this: attn mission bears, im a ninja salvager and i pwnt salvagers better than you in the name of research http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1080952 The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Lana Hellfury Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:23:00 - [29] All you salvage thieves will gets whats coming to you. I'm with the OP! Make its a crim flag!
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Lana Hellfury All you salvage thieves will gets whats coming to you. I'm with the OP! Make its a crim flag! if you believe that den read mah linkeh The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments

Lana Hellfury Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Lana Hellfury All you salvage thieves will gets whats coming to you. I'm with the OP! Make its a crim flag! if you believe that den read mah linkeh I don't need to read your link.. its lies!! all lies!!! Also.. snipe!
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:34:00 - [32] no is true The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Lana Hellfury Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Lady Spank no is true LIES LIES!!!
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.05.25 02:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Lana Hellfury Originally by: Lady Spank no is true LIES LIES!!! QQ The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Maxwell Terallis	Posted - 2009.05.25 02:11:00 - [35] Every "Salvaging is Stealing" thread needs to have this posted in it: Originally by: "CCP Prism X" ôWhy is stealing salvage OK? ItÆs not. It shouldnÆt even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence itÆs not stealing.If youÆre surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, itÆs because itÆs a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further. Simple solution to the non-issue. Please donÆt take this as any bashing just for suggesting ideas. I have nothing against brainstorming on the forums. However, IÆm going to let you in on a little CCP non-secret which is: ôNPEö. EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze. However, itÆs also accepted that, on top of the intended complexity, the tools and rules you play with/by arenÆt highly intuative. You are suggesting a dual functionality.. one for newbies and another for vets (of course you did not say that, however just because some people chill in newb corps and ainÆt newbs doesnÆt mean we should punish the new players) and to compound the inherent confusion in that the newbie functionality is more hostile and more open to griefing than the veteran functionality. It shouldnÆt be much different.. and if it had to be it should be the other way around. Aaaand - a link to thread it originally came from: Linky
IamBeastx Amarr Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.05.25 08:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it **ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. Maybe you would prefer real-life law?>?>? Under maritime law, a salvor of endangered property on navigable waters obtains the right to monetary payment from the owner. This is an ancient law developed to encourage efforts to save property and to discourage embezzlement by salvors. The act of salvage creates a right to a reward, and a maritime lien attaches to the property that was salved. To this effect the salvager can force you to pay him for the salvage he obtains from your** wreck. Or maybe you can just get used to fact that this is a game with slightly less flash laws (it is space ya know). http://iambeastx.mybrute.com
Ninjitsuki Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.25 08:57:00 - [37] Originally by: Denzien Omega Especially when it comes to ninjas invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. FYP
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 09:20:00 - [38] Oldschool but effective troll; lots of bites for minimal effort. 6.5/10
Misanth The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.05.25 12:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Muad' Dib 3yrs ago you ppl - carebears, whined to get agression on jet-can content theft. You got it, so you whined that you got killed now, be carefull what you wish for. Word. I loved stealing stuff from cans when I was youngling.. why mine/rat when others did the hard work for you. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Lei Merdeau Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:13:00 - [40] wow, its been over a week

Min Mae	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:32:00 - [41] Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 25/05/2009 01:17:01 op should read this: attn mission bears, im a ninja salvager and i pwnt salvagers better than you in the name of research http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1080952 I always warp to the mission in a shuttle. :D This is what I do when there's nothing else to do.
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it ****ed me . 1. not your wrecks - get over it 2. How can you not know everyones view on it? This is one of say only a thousand posts on the damn thing. search, search and search again nubbins
Magnus Orin Minmatar Northern Storm Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:26:00 - [43] ALL your space junks are belong to me. ________
Riedlim	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it ****ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. mmm... Delicious tears are delicious
Thorvik Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.05.25 17:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Malcanis Oldschool but effective troll; lots of bites for minimal effort. 6.5/10 This ^^ Personally I think it's worth a 7.5. Reactions from the forums are nearly genuine. I think he actually stuck the landing on that one. Linkage
The Smeegle	Posted - 2009.05.25 18:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Riedlim Originally by: Denzien Omega Edited by: Denzien Omega on 24/05/2009 17:49:52 I dont know everyones view on this but it ****ed me off so I going to give a piece of my mind. Salvaging other peoples wrecks should be a punishable offense. GM Zerat fed me some BS that concord is happy to take out the garbage, you know what? It's stealing. The wreck has my name on it its mine whether I choose to clean it up or not. Especially when it comes to pirates invading lvl 4 missions because they have nothing better to do than steal valuable salvage materials. I should get the kill rights on anyone who feels its necessary to salvage my wrecks and aggravate my gameplay. mmm... Delicious tears are delicious I can't mop them up fast enough

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2009.05.25 21:05:00 - [47] Locked. Our policy on this is extremely clear, if it were considering changing it, we will inform the player base. Sslvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing.


CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.31 18:31:00 - [48] Locked as ranting. Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online



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