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Joachim Kato Scoopex	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:40:00 - [1]
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:42:00 - [2] Solo? I guess a Sac -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Liang Nuren No Salvation Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:44:00 - [3] Vaga for survivability, Sac/Ishtar for actually killing things. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Joachim Kato Scoopex	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:50:00 - [4] mmm vaga. i have a tar, but i'd like to try the vaga b/c of the speed. anyone have a good ganky vaga setup?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.24 18:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Furb Killer on 24/05/2009 18:58:51 ganky and vaga really shouldnt be in the same sentence, its dps is low for a hac, but it has good survivablity. For fitting there isnt much choice: 3x gyro + 2x nano mwd, 2x LSE, warp disruptor med neut, 5x acs you can fit (will usually be 180s, but depends on rigs also). If you change med neut for a cloak, which can sometimes be usefull, you can easily fit 220s. Only thing you really got to decide about are rigs. I prefer fall off rigs, but CDFE's are also an option.
Riley Escobar	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:15:00 - [6] drop the neut and go with 220 vulcans and a HML, a properly fitted vaga does great dps. -[my name]
Jornhu	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:17:00 - [7] some people fit RCU's and 425's which is meant to be pretty good once you get over the fact you're using shudder fitting mods
Lee Dalton Beyond Suppression	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:20:00 - [8] Vagabond. *** You're only as good as your last fight.
K1K1R1K1 Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.05.25 02:29:00 - [9] I haven't flown a vaga and I don't care too do so (unless vagacanes count =P), but I'm curious as to why people fit LSE's on these things? I understand that it increases ehp a whole lot b/c of the T2 resists, but what's the point of that if you're speed tanking? Why not save yourself the huge sig increase, cpu and pg, and fit some ewar instead? A tracking disruptor for starters, maybe a TP, or a tracking comp... the last two are fairly effective at increasing your dps. At that point you may have some sort of a gank vaga. Or it can increase your dps enough so that you can drop one of the gyros and increase your speed advantage. Just throwin that out there... _______________________________________ Don't worry aboutit.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Vaga for survivability, Sac/Ishtar for actually killing things. -Liang

MukkBarovian	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:29:00 - [11] You fit the shield buffer because youre shield tanking... Alot of weapon systems can hit you when you're doing your full nano thing. This was called the nano nerf. It happened late last year. When youre dogfighting one or more smaller ships and they have tackled you your buffer carries you through. Frig EHP = 2-7k. Your hp = 30k. You can kill multiple frigates. Scrambler fit if fighting frigs. Or a medium nuet in the utility high will do it.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:42:00 - [12] Vagabond, no other HAC is even in the same class really. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.05.25 06:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Riley Escobar drop the neut and go with 220 vulcans and a HML, a properly fitted vaga does great dps. HML is a pretty poor use of a slot compared to a medium neut, as the latter module is basically your get-out-of-jail-free-card if a frigate decloaks 5km from you. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.25 06:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Anubis Xian Vagabond, no other HAC is even in the same class really. sXe
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.05.25 08:20:00 - [15] Ishtar. Changable damage type and 5 midslots. Originally by: Terianna Eri HML is a pretty poor use of a slot compared to a medium neut, as the latter module is basically your get-out-of-jail-free-card if a frigate decloaks 5km from you. It won't really help you, anything that close should be NOSing you as well, so you'll have a hard time unless you get some miracles with your timing. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
abrasive soap Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.25 08:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Artemis Rose Ishtar. Changable damage type and 5 midslots. Originally by: Terianna Eri HML is a pretty poor use of a slot compared to a medium neut, as the latter module is basically your get-out-of-jail-free-card if a frigate decloaks 5km from you. It won't really help you, anything that close should be NOSing you as well, so you'll have a hard time unless you get some miracles with your timing. It works like this: 1) frigate webs and/or scrambles the vagabond 2) the vagabond neuts it once 3) frigate cannot keep up with the vagabond while holding web and point 4) vagabond kills the frigate in seconds due to transversal velocity, higher base speed, and drones
Forum Chav	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 24/05/2009 18:58:51 ganky and vaga really shouldnt be in the same sentence, its dps is low for a hac, but it has good survivablity. For fitting there isnt much choice: 3x gyro + 2x nano mwd, 2x LSE, warp disruptor med neut, 5x acs you can fit (will usually be 180s, but depends on rigs also). If you change med neut for a cloak, which can sometimes be usefull, you can easily fit 220s. Only thing you really got to decide about are rigs. I prefer fall off rigs, but CDFE's are also an option. furb, why twin nano's and not one i-stab?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:45:00 - [18] The i-stab makes your sig radius even larger, and you have less speed than with another nano. Then again, using that logic you might also go for OD instead of nano. In the end it stays something different people will have different opinions about. But i prefer a bit smaller sig radius, bit faster, but bit less agile. About the neut, example when you are happy you have it. You enter an offensive FW plex in a vaga, with an enemy frig in the center (caldari ewar frig, forgot its name, but nothing impressive for sure). You dont watch out, you get stupid, and the result is that he manages to scram you and get under your guns. My warrior drones did about the same damage to him, as that i was receiving (relative, so our shields were going down at about the same rate, because i was getting quite some npc dps on me). I think the 3rd neut cycle hit him and the right moment, turned off his scram, i mwd away and in 2 volleys he is down. Now this was also my own fault, but still imagine what happens if you warp to a belt and you end up right on top of a rifter, or worse a taranis for example with scram. I have little doubt they both can hold you down untill their friends arrive once they get into orbit. Maybe even kill you. Now with a neut it is a matter of time before it hits at right moment and you kill them.
Zar Terra MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:59:00 - [19] Sac
Neacail	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:34:00 - [20] Originally by: K1K1R1K1 I haven't flown a vaga and I don't care too do so (unless vagacanes count =P), but I'm curious as to why people fit LSE's on these things? I understand that it increases ehp a whole lot b/c of the T2 resists, but what's the point of that if you're speed tanking? Why not save yourself the huge sig increase, cpu and pg, and fit some ewar instead? A tracking disruptor for starters, maybe a TP, or a tracking comp... the last two are fairly effective at increasing your dps. At that point you may have some sort of a gank vaga. Or it can increase your dps enough so that you can drop one of the gyros and increase your speed advantage. Just throwin that out there... Vagabonds don't speed tank. Unlike SFIs, Vagabonds have a high enough signature that almost anything with medium close range guns can track it. You can, however, speed tank battleships (killed a few abaddons this way), but for anything else, your range is your tank. Take a look at your Hurricane for instance. My vaga gets 504 DPS with 180mm ACs, hobgoblins, my skills and implants. I assume you have maxed skills, the same implants as I do, and no ambit rigs. That puts your DPS at 20km with Barrage and no drones at 204. My Vagabond does 317. As you probably have at least 36k EHP (DCU + 2x LSEs), you could probably scare me away, assuming I did indeed orbit you at 20km. Make it 22-24km (I often use a faction point, although overloading a T2 point puts it at 28.8km and can last long enough to pop a nanocane from start to finish of the fight) and the DPS difference is huge. That's the case with a ship that actually has a pretty good versatility in range. If you were to face something with blasters or something with scorch below point range, you could mitigate most of the incoming DPS and just stay there until you break the target's tank. On topic: I fly all HACs and Vagabond is by far the best solo. If you're flying T2, you're better off surviving and not getting any kills, than getting a kill and dying. The latter is often the case with the slower HACs. However, Sacrilege is a great choice too. It can get a pretty damn good tank, enough meds to do whatever you want and still get 1.4km/s or so with mwd. Ishtar is also nice but you lose too much and gain to little compared to the Sac. Heavy drones are slow and easy to pop. Sentries have their own obvious disadvantages. If you have to downgrade to meds or smalls (often the case against cruisers and smaller), a Sacrilege will out DPS you (yes, with HAMs). You also can't choose damage types that well because 90% of the time, you'll only have explosive and thermal drones (of course that is enough for most targets, but the Sac can carry all 4 damage types with ease). However, the biggest problem with the Ishtar is the low armor. If you go with a plated setup, you might aswell be in another ship with that speed/agility. If you go dual mar, you probably have an armor buffer of around 7k EHP before you get into hull. Sacrilege's (assuming one low slot for a BCU) is close to 13k. As experience will tell you, it's quite easy to get an alpha strike that takes out most of your armor. So yeah, go with Vagabond, or if you want something with a bit more brute force, Sacrilege. Ishtar is a nice, and probably the best, if you expect a lot of 1v1 fights. But solo is almost always about fighting outnumbered. As for the other HACs - none of them can solo, although Cerb is good for ganking weaker stuff. And if you want something like the Zealot, get a navy omen or phantasm.

Korittke	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:41:00 - [21] Vag
Manus Stuprare Cold Service	Posted - 2009.05.26 19:37:00 - [22] Once you go Sac, you'll never go back!
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.05.26 19:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Joachim Kato mmm vaga. i have a tar, but i'd like to try the vaga b/c of the speed. anyone have a good ganky vaga setup? No, it's a complete mystery. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Adeline Grey	Posted - 2009.05.26 19:56:00 - [24] Vagabond or Sacrilage.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.05.26 19:58:00 - [25] Notice the choices also have the best native resists? The Eagle has resists too I guess but with drones its a gimp solo(like everything else Caldari.) Wherever you went - Here you are.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.05.26 20:33:00 - [26] Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 26/05/2009 20:33:12 Originally by: Ghoest Notice the choices also have the best native resists? The Eagle has resists too I guess but with drones its a gimp solo(like everything else Caldari.) The Eagle works wonderfully well at solo insta-popping frigates as they undock/jump in from outside of sentry gun range. Beyond that though, Rail Eagles make lousy solo boats. I've known some people who fly Beagles solo to good effect, but I would hardly qualify them as 'best' at anything solo-wise although they do make stout heavy tacklers thanks to their EHP potential. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.05.26 22:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Neacail However, the biggest problem with the Ishtar is the low armor. If you go with a plated setup, you might aswell be in another ship with that speed/agility. If you go dual mar, you probably have an armor buffer of around 7k EHP before you get into hull. Sacrilege's (assuming one low slot for a BCU) is close to 13k. As experience will tell you, it's quite easy to get an alpha strike that takes out most of your armor. ishtar's armor tank is topped only by the sac. i trimark mine, full buffer in lows. surprises a lot of people.
ry ry	Posted - 2009.05.26 22:24:00 - [28] ishtars are a right pain to fit properly though, aren't they?
Essence Praetor Retribution. Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.26 22:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 24/05/2009 18:58:51 ganky and vaga really shouldnt be in the same sentence, its dps is low for a hac, but it has good survivablity. For fitting there isnt much choice: 3x gyro + 2x nano mwd, 2x LSE, warp disruptor med neut, 5x acs you can fit (will usually be 180s, but depends on rigs also). If you change med neut for a cloak, which can sometimes be usefull, you can easily fit 220s. Only thing you really got to decide about are rigs. I prefer fall off rigs, but CDFE's are also an option. Um . . . Eww . . .
Arcadia1701 Gallente Sky Fortress	Posted - 2009.05.27 00:04:00 - [30] I noticed no one mentioned the Zealot. Is it that bad? My sig> Post with your main, or don't post at all. My Skills



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