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Zila Shadow Vale Industries Fuzzy Logec	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:03:00 - [1] This. Especially for someone who's mostly a casual missioning carebear (yes, yes, put the torches and pitchforks away until after answering, please). I'm cross-training from Gallente, and between the Brutix and Myrmidon you theoretically have the Myrmidon in the standoff/droneboat role and the Brutix in the close-up blaster role. But the difference between the Prophecy and the Harbinger just seems to be that everything about the Harbinger is bigger and better (including of course the price tag). For tanking, is the resistance bonus the Prophecy gets enough to cancel out its comparative deficiency in capacitor and fittings?
Telinturco	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:08:00 - [2] Yes. Two reasons, and their both actually pretty good: 1. It is much cheaper. 2. It has a much stronger tank. That is all. Even so, the ungodly DPS of the Harby outweighs both of those reasons 97/100 times, so that's why you only ever hear about the Harbinger around here. Yes, I roll a legion.
Dodgy Past	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:29:00 - [3] An extra 25m3 of drone space on the harbie is also very handy for missioning as well since you can pack 4 Lights and 3 Mediums, the extra mid slot means it can be refitted for PvP easily.
Mr Reason	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:15:00 - [4] Looks, nothing more really. It's better at being bait I guess.
Renarla	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:41:00 - [5] Prophecy = teh sex. Harbie = decent looking. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:47:00 - [6] No reason, really, unless you want to be a bait ship.
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:06:00 - [7] Proph makes a good lvl 3 mission runner if you have crap skills. Proph can be fit with projectiles for a nasty surprise.
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:31:00 - [8] if price isn't a big issue, Harbinger is in most cases better. It can put out more dps(quite a bit more, one more turret and a damage bonus), has the magic 4 midslots and can use 5 medium drones where the prophecy only has 5 lights, 3 mids with a good tank but dps of a paper bag. Prophecy can be good pvp bait with the resist bonus and also could be used as a heavy tackler that locks on like a bulldog and doesn't let go. -- stuff --
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:33:00 - [9] Pregnant chicken \o/ www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Zila Shadow Vale Industries Fuzzy Logec	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:01:00 - [10] Thanks for the input, everyone. Sounds like the Harbinger wins.

Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:47:00 - [11] You can make an Absolution out of a Prophecy. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.05.25 04:33:00 - [12] Edited by: TraininVain on 25/05/2009 04:35:00 It can mount a really chewy buffer tank basically along with all the "creative" things you can do with no gun bonus (is having no good gun bonus really a positive?). If you don't mind loldps (as opposed to blah DPS) you can mount a thoroughly ridiculous buffer tank. Mind you, the Drake can have more EHP and more DPS. And truly, I do like it because it looks cool.
Wideen Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.05.25 09:21:00 - [13] I recently flew it again after burning a few harbs, just for kicks... it rly has nothing the harb cannot do (besides look and awesome bait) but that doesn't even put it in the category of useful.
Butzewutze	Posted - 2009.05.25 09:49:00 - [14] [Prophecy, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defence Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hobgoblin II x5 All LVL 5: 130k ehp ganglink tanks 152 dps(for 3min. 47sec.) 260 dps
Rock urSocksoff Incura	Posted - 2009.05.25 09:58:00 - [15] Being lower down in target calling priority is pretty nice Originally by: Saluss Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.25 10:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Butzewutze [Prophecy, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Domination EMP S Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defence Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hobgoblin II x5 All LVL 5: 130k ehp ganglink tanks 152 dps(for 3min. 47sec.) 260 dps Use a better MWD for less cap penalty and tank for longer. Since you are spending lots of isk on it anyways might as well make it better.
Andrest Disch Amarr Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2009.05.25 11:34:00 - [17] If you fit it out for full gank (that is, no tank at all) you can get something like 500-600 dps and be safe in the knowledge that no one primarys a Prophecy in gang fights. That's its only real use in my opinion.
Leiara Knight Gallente The Oblivion Guard	Posted - 2009.05.25 13:01:00 - [18] You can make dire predictions in local.
Nai Weil Caldari Tupperware Party	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:26:00 - [19] An overweight turkey looks much nicer than a crucifix with a Lego Bionicle helmet. I flew Prophecy for level 3, and now use it to rat. Fitted with T2 Heavy Pulse it can do over 370 DPS, over 410 if I used Faction crystals, and can comfortably tank the BS/BC spawns. 6x Heavy Pulse II Salvager I 10mn MWD X5 Webber Med Cap Booster II, 400 (or whatever I find) 2x T2 Energized platings Damage Control II 2x Heat Sink II 1x Small Armour Repairer II (I lack grid to fit a Medium, and small works fine) 5x Hobgoblin II unrigged With access to the same modules and skills, a Harbinger will do better, as even though it can't tank as well it will reduce incoming DPS faster. Harbinger will also be able to fit a point, so that you can hold the pirates there rather than let them slip away. My Prophecy is really cheap to lose, though. Compared to the Harbinger, the Prophecy loses out in CPU, Powergrid, turret hardpoints, high slots, mid slots, shields, armour (despite being the tankier battlecruiser) and drone bay. The only thing it can do which the Harbinger can't is equip a solitary launcher for what it's worth. Prophecy really needs at least an extra mid or low (although 7 is a lot for a BC) slot to have a numerical reason to use it. Granted, it's a Tier 1, supposedly an inferior model to the Tier 2, but the Cyclone, Brutix and Ferox all have certain roles in which they do better than the Hurricane, Myrm and Drake, so the Prophecy is a bit disappointing - looking nicer (and even it's subjective - the Harbinger has its fair share of fans) and being able to tank better (at least at higher Battlecruiser levels) is not quite a reason to choose it over the Harbinger. At the end of the day, just fly it if you prefer it. Prophecy is not a bad ship, in fact, it's pretty good. It's just that the Harbinger is really really uber at what it does. A Harbinger is more effective, but a Prophecy is good enough for level 3s and ratting.
Seishi Maru M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Andrest Disch If you fit it out for full gank (that is, no tank at all) you can get something like 500-600 dps and be safe in the knowledge that no one primarys a Prophecy in gang fights. That's its only real use in my opinion. basically THAT! Same reason why bellicoses are indestructable. No FC would even call a bellicose primary. In fact he woudl think "omg I must be high if I am seeing a bellicose on field, I won 't even call it as target or other pilots might notice I am high"

Chaosmancer Gravis Unbound	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:41:00 - [21] I had some sucess in le torp proph, it's pure win.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.25 17:22:00 - [22] Edited by: Anubis Xian on 25/05/2009 17:22:49 Originally by: Chaosmancer I had some sucess in le torp proph, it's pure win. Quote: [Prophecy, FW Surprise] Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Target Painter II Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Warrior II x5
Chaosmancer Gravis Unbound	Posted - 2009.05.25 17:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Anubis Xian Edited by: Anubis Xian on 25/05/2009 17:22:49 Originally by: Chaosmancer I had some sucess in le torp proph, it's pure win. Quote: [Prophecy, FW Surprise] Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Target Painter II Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Warrior II x5 Why would you waste that much isk on a lolfit though? :)
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.05.25 17:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Chaosmancer Originally by: Anubis Xian Edited by: Anubis Xian on 25/05/2009 17:22:49 Originally by: Chaosmancer I had some sucess in le torp proph, it's pure win. Quote: [Prophecy, FW Surprise] Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Target Painter II Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Warrior II x5 Why would you waste that much isk on a lolfit though? :) Well, plunge it into the midst of a bunch of frigs and you might kill a few...tho, without the siege, it could definately fit better plates.


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