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Just fearless
Caldari
The Necromongers
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:03:00 -
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long story short. im not going to ramabale on. what should be doen with the space persenaly i think that all faction warfair systems taken should be made into highsec. what do u all think?
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DARTHxFREE
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:40:00 -
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CCP will reset it and think over what they have learned with FW, hopfully add more mechanics and rewards.
Like CTF! fleets to bust into high sec and take the flag, you know it will be awsome.
Rewards would promote feirce fighting for bunkers...we all need an excuse to do them.
Maybe also Militia reward for kills as some preffer nothing but the PvP.
Sub missions to create mild faction NPC spawn on controled system gates.
Thier is so much room for improvment, but until round 2, were just waiting out the comming
Caldari 1 : Gallente 0
PS. Cap tama already, will make an Epic battle for the end of this round.
/join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Fuazzole on 24/05/2009 23:44:36
CCP puts faction warfare on the 486x servers because it's only temporary.
Is the end nigh?
I think the question will be, what will you do now fac wars is over?
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Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 25/05/2009 00:41:58
Nothing will be done or haappen. This is one of the sillier ideas floating around.
FW has no victory (win) condition. Any system taken can be retaken.
And for the OP to think that large areas of low sec in Black Rise, Citadel, Placid, Verge Vendor and Essence would be made hi sec is just......( not even mentioning the minmatar and Amarr regions)
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Atraxerxes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:10:00 -
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NOTHING
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:32:00 -
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Make them into high sec so that nobody can ever participate in FW without a ship that can withstand FW police NPC fire. Sounds like a great (insane) idea to me.
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.25 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov on 25/05/2009 06:17:52
How about this:
All players in any faction can 'donate resources' to their respective faction. These can be used to help build faction ships to invade high sec. Although the process of implementing this will be a bit odd. I have only recently devolped this idea. Maybe the resources could be used to build 'personal fighters' so that when you enter highsec they get targeted first and engage the enemy faction. You could give the fighters a build time and cap per person (i.e. 3-5 per). This is so they cant be spammed.
OR:
The 'resources' could be used to encourage actual faction raids from NPC's accompanied by players. The resulting forces will be massive and I know 'lag'. But if they can get Jita working then I believe they can handle this. It could be considered a group effort, as in if you reach a total for the faction they will automatically be released. And to help determine direction, every one that deposits resources can vote on which enemy faction system to invade. Also, it could give a countdown timer to spawn and departure.
I believe this idea/ideas will drastically change FW. For the better? Who knows. I'd just like to see a high sec version. Please, if you have any constructive opinions, please, by all means expand on my ideas if youd like.
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TooNu
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:22:00 -
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Covryn is mine so leave it alone, do what you like with the rest. |
Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Droog 1 on 25/05/2009 11:01:26
Reset the Occupancy. Easily explained by a news item where the Federation Navy recapture all the Systems previously taken by the State.
There's no benefits in Occupying Systems and there's no financial or Isk reward. They are simply PvP Arenas in a War that can never end. Anybody who complains about the 'hard work' it took to capture them has missed the point of FW: any time spent to capture Systems should have been done so in the hope of being rewarded with PvP or a Medal.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:00:00 -
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why they should reset those systems? |
Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Bad Messenger
why they should reset those systems?
Because people are fickle and lazy. Nobody will join the Gallente side because they think FW has been won by Caldari. Where will that leave the Caldari Militia in a few months? Even more members with even less Gallente to fight.
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Turelus
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1
Originally by: Bad Messenger
why they should reset those systems?
Because people are fickle and lazy. Nobody will join the Gallente side because they think FW has been won by Caldari. Where will that leave the Caldari Militia in a few months? Even more members with even less Gallente to fight.
So why should the Caldari be punished? if you ask me that all works out fine... we did the work... any bad things that happen to the Gallente now is their own fault... they had the chance to defend or retake systems but no one was interested, the Caldari have been saying all along "you will regret this if anything ever changes" and well if anything does change they will.
They can still fight back and take some systems if they don't want more pilots going to the Caldari side, CCP doesn't need to fix who owns the systems the Gallente do. |
Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1
Because people are fickle and lazy. Nobody will join the Gallente side because they think FW has been won by Caldari. Where will that leave the Caldari Militia in a few months? Even more members with even less Gallente to fight.
And this is bad how? From RP perspective, 0 people willing to fight you equals victory and if things go to that, why should I care?
Someone might think it's horrible to see IC stats with stuff like "Gallente Federation -101 pilots" (yesterday's statistics) while I celebrate every day when that occurs because it shows we are doing something right.
Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion
And this is bad how? From RP perspective, 0 people willing to fight you equals victory and if things go to that, why should I care?
It's not about your RP. First and foremost, it is a tool to aid CCP in making money by giving newer PVPers a chance to get some organised plexing PVP and do things in lowsec without becoming beholden to 0.0 crap, and maybe having some of those players move on in the end. Everything else is secondary. If you thought it had some deeper meaning ... heh.
If it becomes so one-ended that these goals cannot be achieved, CCP will reexamine it; certainly the balance is shot to all hell. Also, as noted above, it would be pitifully easy to change the sovereignty during downtime or something - if the Caldari can drop a freaking large collidable object Leviathan and its fleet in Luminaire without players being able to do a damn thing (not to mention Admiral Noir an infiltrator running the Nyx into the station), what's to stop a doomfleet from wiping some outlying systems? |
EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:38:00 -
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As everyone knows my and my corps position on plexing. HOWEVER that being said
IF CCP EVER did something like RP the systems back into Gallente hands I WOULD ****ED!
The Caldari have won the PvE side of FW and deserve their victory. I think also that people will leave the Caldari side (go and join the Amarr), during which the Gallente (including WOLFY) will start on taking the systems back. Yes Pervs and 22nd may again rejoin and take them back, but NO WAY should CCP interfere! |
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:34:00 -
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In fact there is good economical reasons to conquer all systems. It has been sad to notice that while we have captured these systems Gallente tag prices have not been so good. Now when we cut one supply source of those, tags prices should go up and caldari mission runners who make missons agains gallente earn more.
I has lot of tags in stock ! |
Tosi
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger
In fact there is good economical reasons to conquer all systems. It has been sad to notice that while we have captured these systems Gallente tag prices have not been so good. Now when we cut one supply source of those, tags prices should go up and caldari mission runners who make missons agains gallente earn more.
I has lot of tags in stock !
i've always had respect for you, but why did you have to let others know! it was supposed to be secwet untill our tags are sold!
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tosi
Originally by: Bad Messenger
In fact there is good economical reasons to conquer all systems. It has been sad to notice that while we have captured these systems Gallente tag prices have not been so good. Now when we cut one supply source of those, tags prices should go up and caldari mission runners who make missons agains gallente earn more.
I has lot of tags in stock !
i've always had respect for you, but why did you have to let others know! it was supposed to be secwet untill our tags are sold!
Trust me son, i know what i am doing.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Turelus
So why should the Caldari be punished? if you ask me that all works out fine... we did the work... any bad things that happen to the Gallente now is their own fault... they had the chance to defend or retake systems but no one was interested, the Caldari have been saying all along "you will regret this if anything ever changes" and well if anything does change they will.
OK then, if you think it will be a punishment we will keep it as it is. I think we all know that nothing will change. Occupancy will never be anything more than a colour on the Map. That's not in CCPs vision for FW.
Originally by: Turelus
They can still fight back and take some systems if they don't want more pilots going to the Caldari side, CCP doesn't need to fix who owns the systems the Gallente do.
The only way the Gallente will capture any Systems is if they have the same amount of Pilots as the Caldari and the same % of people logging on post downtime to run plexes. We all know there is no way the Gallente are going to suddenly recruit 2,000 pilots. So, with the Gallente Militia shrinking and the Caldari expanding what do you think this will mean for the future of Gallente v Caldari Conflict?
Do you think the future holds more or less PvP? How do you see FW in a year or 6 months time?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:36:00 -
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It would be excellent for a CCP event.
Have Gallente NPC fleets spawn at random times in random systems for a couple of days that attack the control bunkers. If the NPCs are stopped, Caldari keep control of the system (and possible some nice NPC loot?) if not, the system occupancy moves back to Gallente.
Call it, Gallente Fleet Command decided to intervene....
It should never be just a mechanical flip. If a (partial) reset is needed, make it a nice event that rewards some Caldari players. |
Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Droog 1 on 25/05/2009 16:40:02
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Droog 1
Because people are fickle and lazy. Nobody will join the Gallente side because they think FW has been won by Caldari. Where will that leave the Caldari Militia in a few months? Even more members with even less Gallente to fight.
And this is bad how? From RP perspective, 0 people willing to fight you equals victory and if things go to that, why should I care?
Someone might think it's horrible to see IC stats with stuff like "Gallente Federation -101 pilots" (yesterday's statistics) while I celebrate every day when that occurs because it shows we are doing something right.
Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General
From an RP perspective it must be great. From a 'what's good for the Game' point of view it's not. When the fighting stops everybody loses.
RPing aside, how do you, as a player feel about less people to fight?
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1
Edited by: Droog 1 on 25/05/2009 16:40:02
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Droog 1
Because people are fickle and lazy. Nobody will join the Gallente side because they think FW has been won by Caldari. Where will that leave the Caldari Militia in a few months? Even more members with even less Gallente to fight.
And this is bad how? From RP perspective, 0 people willing to fight you equals victory and if things go to that, why should I care?
Someone might think it's horrible to see IC stats with stuff like "Gallente Federation -101 pilots" (yesterday's statistics) while I celebrate every day when that occurs because it shows we are doing something right.
Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General
From an RP perspective it must be great. From a 'what's good for the Game' point of view it's not. When the fighting stops everybody loses.
RPing aside, how do you, as a player feel about less people to fight?
So you say that it is good for EVE that ccp comes and say 'Hey lets reset these systems and start all over again'. How do you think that people would plex even single plex after that. By resetting systems they would destroy only reason to take those systems.
Ccp tried to get gallente to take couple systems by an event, but gallente was not interested about it much.
But why are you want to reset those systems? You do not want those systems and you have always said it has no meaning, so why it is now so important to reset those?
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.25 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Parmenides Elea on 25/05/2009 19:43:11
A reset is only required IF the mechanics of the game change so significantly that it effectively ends faction war. I can't see ccp doing this so I don't expect much will change. A reward or a news article is about as much acknowledgement ccp giving the capture of all systems. Plus remember the occupancy can always be taken back so its a never ending cycle the way it is. Faction war will go on for ages because it has no set victory conditions, its just a nice big sandbox for us pilots to pewpew in without the pos warfare and politcial b*****s that 0.0 brings.
Long live FW!
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.05.26 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1
From an RP perspective it must be great. From a 'what's good for the Game' point of view it's not. When the fighting stops everybody loses.
No. There is always someone who wins.
Originally by: Droog 1
RPing aside, how do you, as a player feel about less people to fight?
I think it would be brilliant. Hell, I just noticed that the person whose miner/salvager I killed in Dodixie few days ago quit FW. Should I feel somehow saddened by this? Hell no.
Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.05.26 07:43:00 -
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I don't think a reset is required. Make occupancy and plexing worthwhile and systems will start going the other way.
As far as Damar goes, he's known in Micros as 'The Caldari Nutter'. I would propose that we make this a militia-wide designation.
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TooNu
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.26 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kessiaan
I don't think a reset is required. Make occupancy and plexing worthwhile and systems will start going the other way.
As far as Damar goes, he's known in Micros as 'The Caldari Nutter'. I would propose that we make this a militia-wide designation.
You should see what name we gave Val Erian.
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Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.26 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Edited by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov on 25/05/2009 06:17:52
How about this:
All players in any faction can 'donate resources' to their respective faction. These can be used to help build faction ships to invade high sec. Although the process of implementing this will be a bit odd. I have only recently devolped this idea. Maybe the resources could be used to build 'personal fighters' so that when you enter highsec they get targeted first and engage the enemy faction. You could give the fighters a build time and cap per person (i.e. 3-5 per). This is so they cant be spammed.
OR:
The 'resources' could be used to encourage actual faction raids from NPC's accompanied by players. The resulting forces will be massive and I know 'lag'. But if they can get Jita working then I believe they can handle this. It could be considered a group effort, as in if you reach a total for the faction they will automatically be released. And to help determine direction, every one that deposits resources can vote on which enemy faction system to invade. Also, it could give a countdown timer to spawn and departure.
I believe this idea/ideas will drastically change FW. For the better? Who knows. I'd just like to see a high sec version. Please, if you have any constructive opinions, please, by all means expand on my ideas if youd like.
Hey instead of a full reset... |
Rail Gun
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.26 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Originally by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Edited by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov on 25/05/2009 06:17:52
How about this:
All players in any faction can 'donate resources' to their respective faction. These can be used to help build faction ships to invade high sec. Although the process of implementing this will be a bit odd. I have only recently devolped this idea. Maybe the resources could be used to build 'personal fighters' so that when you enter highsec they get targeted first and engage the enemy faction. You could give the fighters a build time and cap per person (i.e. 3-5 per). This is so they cant be spammed.
OR:
The 'resources' could be used to encourage actual faction raids from NPC's accompanied by players. The resulting forces will be massive and I know 'lag'. But if they can get Jita working then I believe they can handle this. It could be considered a group effort, as in if you reach a total for the faction they will automatically be released. And to help determine direction, every one that deposits resources can vote on which enemy faction system to invade. Also, it could give a countdown timer to spawn and departure.
I believe this idea/ideas will drastically change FW. For the better? Who knows. I'd just like to see a high sec version. Please, if you have any constructive opinions, please, by all means expand on my ideas if youd like.
Hey instead of a full reset...
If you really want someone to comment your post, it's pointless. There is no way players will donate any resources for militia... they are atm crying that they dont GET resources from militia
And all these ideas are just too complicated, militias are random group of people who shoot other group of random people, they are not alliances. You have to keep system simple if you want it to work
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Richard Third
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.05.26 09:59:00 -
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CCP have painted themselves into a corner. I don't think CCP should make changes to the map. That would be a terrible change. I would like to see an new enemy. No idea how to do this. Maybe make the gallente evil all of the sudden. Give them leather jackets and a facination with needles. It would be like a hollywood movie, and it would give the caldari a sense of achievement. |
Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rail Gun
Originally by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Originally by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov
Edited by: Shandlanos Kalashnikov on 25/05/2009 06:17:52
How about this:
All players in any faction can 'donate resources' to their respective faction. These can be used to help build faction ships to invade high sec. Although the process of implementing this will be a bit odd. I have only recently devolped this idea. Maybe the resources could be used to build 'personal fighters' so that when you enter highsec they get targeted first and engage the enemy faction. You could give the fighters a build time and cap per person (i.e. 3-5 per). This is so they cant be spammed.
OR:
The 'resources' could be used to encourage actual faction raids from NPC's accompanied by players. The resulting forces will be massive and I know 'lag'. But if they can get Jita working then I believe they can handle this. It could be considered a group effort, as in if you reach a total for the faction they will automatically be released. And to help determine direction, every one that deposits resources can vote on which enemy faction system to invade. Also, it could give a countdown timer to spawn and departure.
I believe this idea/ideas will drastically change FW. For the better? Who knows. I'd just like to see a high sec version. Please, if you have any constructive opinions, please, by all means expand on my ideas if youd like.
Hey instead of a full reset...
If you really want someone to comment your post, it's pointless. There is no way players will donate any resources for militia... they are atm crying that they dont GET resources from militia
And all these ideas are just too complicated, militias are random group of people who shoot other group of random people, they are not alliances. You have to keep system simple if you want it to work
No offense but if WoW can get it to work im sure CCP can pull something like that off. Maybe have a use for, you know, the militants from missions. Those could 'pilot' the spawned ships. Its an idea, not whats going to happen. Calling an idea pointless just bugs me, its like taking the easy way out. |
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