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Tarn Lok	Posted - 2009.05.27 20:37:00 - [1] Vaga should win this fight right?
Neacail	Posted - 2009.05.27 20:46:00 - [2] No matter how the enyo is fitted, if the vagabond has a medium neut, yes. If he doesn't, it's just a matter of scrambling him then keeping a tight orbit (hopefully with a nos in the last high in-case he has a small neut instead). But that's without considering how each of the two parties play. I often see vagabonds that don't fit neuts at all, think they can speed tank by orbiting at 5km and generally don't care about transversal. Rifters kill those.
Lisa Arra	Posted - 2009.05.27 20:50:00 - [3] haha - thanks
Aaronm100 Monsters The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.05.27 23:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Neacail No matter how the enyo is fitted, if the vagabond has a medium neut, yes. If he doesn't, it's just a matter of scrambling him then keeping a tight orbit (hopefully with a nos in the last high in-case he has a small neut instead). But that's without considering how each of the two parties play. I often see vagabonds that don't fit neuts at all, think they can speed tank by orbiting at 5km and generally don't care about transversal. Rifters kill those. Any vaga pilot that gets within 10km is just stupid
Vidi Angelus Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.05.27 23:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Aaronm100 Originally by: Neacail No matter how the enyo is fitted, if the vagabond has a medium neut, yes. If he doesn't, it's just a matter of scrambling him then keeping a tight orbit (hopefully with a nos in the last high in-case he has a small neut instead). But that's without considering how each of the two parties play. I often see vagabonds that don't fit neuts at all, think they can speed tank by orbiting at 5km and generally don't care about transversal. Rifters kill those. Any vaga pilot that gets within 10km is just stupid Agreed, Scram is lethal to Vaga, 24KM Point and fight in falloff FTW. Few less kills, hell of a lot less losses.
Tarn Lok	Posted - 2009.05.29 01:19:00 - [6] So should the vega keep the MWD on for speed or is the sig cost too high to do that while in orbit?
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.29 01:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Tarn Lok So should the vega keep the MWD on for speed or is the sig cost too high to do that while in orbit? Cap is life for the vaga, keep it turned off while orbiting so you have enough if you need to bail. Also helps scoring better hits. Just keep your eyes open for targets suddenly approaching with their MWD overheated.
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.05.29 11:41:00 - [8] I've seen plenty of killmails of Vagas killed by Ishkurs. They warp to 0 to gates in null sec and end up in bubble in scram range of the Ishkur and then proceed to die. At that point their warrior II drones become their best offense as the Ishkur will be orbiting closely and messing with the tracking of guns on Vaga. Medium neut certainly makes things more complicated for the af pilot, but then you have the option of fitting a nos or two. And I agree with poster above. Vagas that let things get within 10km of them tend to die way more often. Link to PVP University
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.05.29 17:36:00 - [9] If the vaga pilot is lazy (aka flies like suggested above) and fits according to the standard nano fit then it could very well die. However, consider a plated ab/armor vaga. it will be fit with a web/scram and possibly a tracking disruptor as well... would kill the frigate rather easily there. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Neacail	Posted - 2009.05.29 18:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Sky Grunthor However, consider a plated ab/armor vaga. it will be fit with a web/scram and possibly a tracking disruptor as well... would kill the frigate rather easily there. Surely you must be talking about the ship known as Stabber Fleet Issue. Why would anyone fit (other than stupidity) a Vagabond like that when there's a cheaper, better (in every possible way) ship for that?
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.05.29 19:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Neacail Originally by: Sky Grunthor However, consider a plated ab/armor vaga. it will be fit with a web/scram and possibly a tracking disruptor as well... would kill the frigate rather easily there. Surely you must be talking about the ship known as Stabber Fleet Issue. Why would anyone fit (other than stupidity) a Vagabond like that when there's a cheaper, better (in every possible way) ship for that? because it works and is not expected. All the frigates get in real close to scram you, and they themselves get scrammed and killed. Also the inherent speed makes it a great sig tank. Just because you can't think of a different valid and good way to fly and fit a vaga doesn't mean others haven't. Hell I didn't even figure this out but I've seen it in action. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Deathhawk Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.05.29 19:13:00 - [12] ive gone up against a vaga (noob pilot - im guessing) in a rifter and jaguar and each time i have had the upper hand until he lets his ecm drones loose on me and calls in his 10 man gang.. get in close and they havent got a chance.. you just need a nos to run the scram/web Chuck Norris wears Deathhawk pyjamas
Neacail	Posted - 2009.05.30 03:32:00 - [13] Edited by: Neacail on 30/05/2009 03:37:34 Originally by: Sky Grunthor Originally by: Neacail Originally by: Sky Grunthor However, consider a plated ab/armor vaga. it will be fit with a web/scram and possibly a tracking disruptor as well... would kill the frigate rather easily there. Surely you must be talking about the ship known as Stabber Fleet Issue. Why would anyone fit (other than stupidity) a Vagabond like that when there's a cheaper, better (in every possible way) ship for that? because it works and is not expected. All the frigates get in real close to scram you, and they themselves get scrammed and killed. Also the inherent speed makes it a great sig tank. Just because you can't think of a different valid and good way to fly and fit a vaga doesn't mean others haven't. Hell I didn't even figure this out but I've seen it in action. SFI has a much better sig and in the end the slight extra speed Vagabond gets is of no real advantage. You're talking about using a Vagabond, a HAC, to kill frigates. Guess what? A standard fit Rupture can do it better for a fraction of the price. If you want something unexpected, use a Bellicose. Vagabond is already one of the best frig killers around. Medium neut, faster than most of them, excellent range and tracking. You don't need to make an unorthodox fit that would die to almost any ship just to kill them. Even if such a fitting was viable for real combat (I know it is, as I tried it in the first week after QR launched), Vagabond is still a HAC. People are afraid of it. Flying around at 900m/s (awfully slow) with a 9km point isn't gonna help. To anybody that wants to fly a SFI: I never suggested an AB - I merely pointed out that if one were to be used, the SFI would be a vastly superior ship. There's a reason you only see ABs (PvP) in frigate sized ships and deadspace combat (there are exceptions of course, but most of them are related to fitting issues). If you want to speed tank, the SFI, with it's extremely small signature and high agility, does not need an AB or any propulsion mod to do so. Fit a MWD, don't be a comedy killmail.
Tarn Lok	Posted - 2009.05.30 13:23:00 - [14] So for the sake of argument, let's say the Enyo is typically fit...web/scram, blasters, nos, little armor tank...and the Vega is not fit typically, web/scram AB with the intention of web/scram'ing the Enyo. Should the Vega win in this situation? Would a web/scram/AB Rupture do as well?
Neacail	Posted - 2009.05.30 18:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Tarn Lok So for the sake of argument, let's say the Enyo is typically fit...web/scram, blasters, nos, little armor tank...and the Vega is not fit typically, web/scram AB with the intention of web/scram'ing the Enyo. Should the Vega win in this situation? Would a web/scram/AB Rupture do as well? Both would. a mwd/web/scrambler rupture will actually do it with ease. The Vagabond completely ****s frigates with a standard fit. Putting it simply, if fitted for it, it would be rather overkill.
Terribad Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.05.30 23:41:00 - [16] enyo will die horribly due to no web which will let vaga minimize the transversal. -------------------------------------------------- the game
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment	Posted - 2009.06.01 16:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Neacail Even if such a fitting was viable for real combat (I know it is, as I tried it in the first week after QR launched), Vagabond is still a HAC. People are afraid of it. Flying around at 900m/s (awfully slow) with a 9km point isn't gonna help. Well, the OP asked for who would win in a vaga vs enyo battle, This IS a viable option even if not the best one. I should add, the AB/Plate vaga that I saw used to great success WAS in lowsec space. I wouldn't recommend it for 0.0 roaming work at all. Part of its success was that it was thought to be something other than it is... ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.01 18:47:00 - [18] Vs a normal vaga without neut, an enyo has a decent chance to win if he fits scram+mwd, otherwise not really,
Kirila Unnatural Growth Army of Darkness.	Posted - 2009.06.02 04:55:00 - [19] Edited by: Kirila on 02/06/2009 04:55:20 Originally by: Tarn Lok Vaga should win this fight right? Are you serious? edit: Are you ******ed?
Tarn Lok	Posted - 2009.06.04 03:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Kirila Edited by: Kirila on 02/06/2009 04:55:20 Originally by: Tarn Lok Vaga should win this fight right? Are you serious? edit: Are you ******ed? I wasn't born with the knowledge so I asked the question on a little thing called a forum...maybe you've heard of these? It's where people can go to learn things. Really cool, you should look in to it.
KiloAlpha Southern Cross Trilogy	Posted - 2009.06.04 04:19:00 - [21] lol u dont orbit in a Vaga(or a stabber for that matter) u strafe

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