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Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 03/06/2009 13:23:24 Your plan is completely insane. You will run out of willpower after a week (Not bashing you, but noone can so drastically change their lifestyle so fast). Also, you will be miserable and constantly hungry. You will not have energy to go to the gym so much. Start out slow. Set a goal to go to the gym every other day for a hour and a half. Eat healthy. Eat a small meal every four hours, don't starve yourself after 6 pm. The reason for this is that your body actually uses a whole ton of energy to process the food you eat, so keeping your digestive system constantly active will burn a whole lot more. You will also feel better. But really, stop talking to the internet. Go talk to a personal trainer, your gym will probably have one available. He will give you better advice than any amount of internet will. Edit; Also, studies show that people who go on extreme crash diets will in the vast majority of cases gain back all that weight and usually more in about six months. If you wanna get thin, change your lifestyle. whoa I'm not going on a crash diet, there was a deal at a local gym for 100 bux for 100 days for people who are starting out, I simply want to get the most out of this 100 days because I sure as hell aint payin the 500 bux for a yearly sub after the 100 days is up, I'm not gonna go on some psychotic bulemia crusade, but I am gonna run my arse off on the treadmills for those 100 days. this week one year ago I quit smoking cold turkey, now I wanna do something similar on the willpower scale, such as a solid gym schedule to lose a bit of weight and clear out my arteries that had a hard time with me smoking 20 a day for 9 years aint gonna kill myself or punish myself doing this, but I WILL do it properly
Kyguard Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:35:00 - [32] Angel and Gneez sitting in a tree D I E T I N G ! -
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.03 16:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Kyguard Angel and Gneez sitting in a tree D I E T I N G ! lawl I would fall out of that tree after 15 minutes because death by falling from a tree is better than the shrill static(y) screeching that angel calls a voice booya
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2009.06.03 17:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Gneeznow this week one year ago I quit smoking cold turkey, now I wanna do something similar on the willpower scale, such as a solid gym schedule to lose a bit of weight and clear out my arteries that had a hard time with me smoking 20 a day for 9 years Belive me, if you managed the smoking, you'll ace it on the weight loss. Dead same, quit the *s overnight from 30-40 a day after 9 years, that lasted for a futher 7 before i started up again. I went on the weight loss crusade overnight, slow had no idea what i was doing, just cutting out the obvious... 10 months later id lost 9 stones. Just make sure you have something in place when you hit those targets, the hardest part for me was that i hadn't... i was still losing up to 4 pounds a week when i needed to find foods i would eat and enjoy to sustain the weight. Thankfully i found that before it was too late, belive me you can eat as much as you like aslong as it's the right stuff, just find foods you're happy with, you'll never feel hungry or like you're starving yourself. Allways suggest it, wish id found out earlier, whatever your mindset... look at the weigh**chers guides. Gl with it anyway, once you've done it, ill guarantee your life will feel completely different, it's amazing how many knock on effects there are. ______
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.03 18:01:00 - [35] ffs ...just join fat fighters ! destroy everything you touch
HankMurphy Minmatar XERCORE Cult of War	Posted - 2009.06.03 18:42:00 - [36] Edited by: HankMurphy on 03/06/2009 18:44:34 i lost ~50lbs from jan to april run 1 mile everyday run 2 miles 2x a week run 3 miles 1x a week weight train 1-2 times a week (max weight lift) calisthenics 3-4 times a week (pushups, pullups, situps, crunches, blah blah blah) oatmeal/cherrios for breakfast (throw some raisins/bananas in there respectvly) 0fat turkey sandwich (huge) w/ fatfree cheese on wheat. yogurt + whatever fruit. lunch some low fat campbells chunky soup + 0 fat crackers for dinner fruit 3x times a day to fill in hunger. salad 1x a day w/ fatfree or no dressing if you want eat often, eat small. metabolism up, fat intake down. when your getting started take 2 consecutive days off a week (sat & sunday). be lazy but only give yourself 1 day of bad food (and yes, fast food, pizza, wings, whatever, its cool that day). when your really starting to run a lot and lift well, 1 day off exercise & diet) edit: every morning you exercise, w/in 30minutes after exercise, drink a glass of fatfree(skim) milk) dont forget to warm up before you stretch dont forget to stretch after exercise ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother*****r
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.06.03 18:47:00 - [37] Just make sure you adjust your eating/activity habits to a balanced level once you reached your goal. Nothing worse than keeping on dropping/jumping back up after you get where you want to be. Also remember that the first few pounds you lose will be the removal of the crap in the disposal queue in your guts. Those will also be the first few pounds you gain again. -------- Ideas for: Mining
rogertherabbit	Posted - 2009.06.03 19:07:00 - [38] Edited by: rogertherabbit on 03/06/2009 19:07:39 Its as simple as this: calories in < calories used to boost your metabolism eat 6 times a day (smaller portions). Do some HIIT training (google it) every other day with weights in between (more muscle = more calories burned while resting) just dont over do it, keep sessions 20 mins optimal. 40 mins is absolutely max you should be training in a single session edit: aim to use roughly 200 calories more than you eat. Should take a month or two, keep going till your happy
Akira117 Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.06.04 08:55:00 - [39] Eat less gneez :ms: 999.times {print " The Cake is a lie."}
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.05 02:27:00 - [40] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 05/06/2009 02:29:46 3500 calories per pound of fat 7700 calories per kilo. That equals 500-1100 calories deficit daily to loose @ 1-2.2 pounds per week. 25*3500= 87,500 calories 12-25 weeks if you bust ass with about 60-90 minutes of cardio daily! If you cut half the calories by eating smaller portions and drinking lots of water before meals to make you feel full faster and drink water when you are hungry but know you should not eat and then do 45 minutes ovigorous cardio daily then that would work also. Just do not go crazy on the eating habit changes since that drastically reduces the likelihood that either changed will be successful. Just change the portions that you eat by like 1/3 -1/2 but do not change so much what you eat since that is where the major burden comes from. Slade
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2009.06.05 04:04:00 - [41] Didn't think I had it to lose, but I'm down 27 pounds since February. Just been eating a few less calories is all. Less soda, less ice cream, but still just as much chips and hot sauce as before.
mama guru Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.05 12:21:00 - [42] Edited by: mama guru on 05/06/2009 12:25:51 http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=179 Read the stickies there. Lift Heavy Weights 3 or 4 times a week. Heavy is relative to your strength. Minimal amount of cardio, 3d/week tops. Follow one of the programs recommended by the stickies in the link. EVERYTHING every single personal trianer will tell you is WRONG, dont hire one. Eat less carbs, 100-150grams a day. Eat more ofthen and smaller servings, dont eat carbs after dinner. Eat atleast 200-250grams of Protein a day unless you have rotten kidneys/liver. I've lost almost 20kg in a year now due to that stuff, and my strength has increased alot. I went from maxing out a 60kg benchpress to a 110kg bench in less then 6 months, I deadlift like 160kg and squat 140. It's not that fancy in the gym world but damn it if it doesnt gives me a confidence boost. I spent most of 2008 trying to loose weight in a really bad way (Read dieting and cardio). Its only when I started lifting that I saw some serious improvement in bodyshape. I went from 120kg to 100 since last july. And for your question Gneeznow, 1 year if you want it done right. And by god you'll feel great when youre done. Cut out soda and all types of processed junkfood/candy etc, learn to love cottage cheese/chicken and tuna unless you feel like shelling out millions on beef. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.05 16:43:00 - [43] Originally by: mama guru Edited by: mama guru on 05/06/2009 12:30:49 Edited by: mama guru on 05/06/2009 12:25:51 http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=179 Read the stickies there. Do you want to be 180pounds of lean? or 180 pounds of skinnyfat flabbyness? The TYPE of exercise you focus on decides that outcome. Lift Heavy Weights 3 or 4 times a week. This skyrockets your metabolism in 24 hours following the workout and you keep muscle mass. If you only do cardiovascular exercise you will loose musclemass and eventually get a lowered metabolism and plateau out and stop loosing weight. Heavy is relative to your strength. Minimal amount of cardio, 3d/week tops. Follow one of the programs recommended by the stickies in the link. EVERYTHING every single personal trianer will tell you is WRONG, dont hire one. Eat less carbs, 100-150grams a day. Eat more ofthen and smaller servings, dont eat carbs after dinner. Eat atleast 200-250grams of Protein a day unless you have rotten kidneys/liver. I've lost almost 20kg in a year now due to that stuff, and my strength has increased alot. I went from maxing out a 60kg benchpress to a 110kg bench in less then 6 months, I deadlift like 160kg and squat 140. It's not that fancy in the gym world but damn it if it doesnt gives me a confidence boost. I spent most of 2008 trying to loose weight in a really bad way (Read dieting and cardio). Its only when I started lifting that I saw some serious improvement in bodyshape. I went from 120kg to 100 since last july. And for your question Gneeznow, 1 year if you want it done right. And by god you'll feel great when youre done. Cut out soda and all types of processed junkfood/candy etc, learn to love cottage cheese/chicken and tuna unless you feel like shelling out millions on beef. All in all your post is pretty much dead on except for the concept that you will loose muslce mass if all you do is cardio and that cardio only needs to be done 3 times per week. We are hunters and gathers by nature and thus lower intensity activity (cardiovascular activity) is supposed to be a substantial party of our day to day activity. The reason that it needs to be done at higher intensities for 45-60 minutes a day is because most of us do not get even close to the 10,000-15,000 steps per day that is necessary to help prevent the cardiovascular disease process progressing to far.. As for the comment about cardio burning lean muscle mass, this only occurs if and when you have no fat left and the body has utilized all the carbs it can spare. The only time the body goes to burn lean mass is if there are no fat stores left. So unless you are a male with less then 2 percent of fat you do not have to worry about loosing mass. Think of it this way if you were to walk/run stairs for 45 minutes for cardio each step up you are pushin your body weight up against gravity. This is in fact resistance exercise as well as cardiovascular. You may not put on much mass on, but you definately will not utilize protien as an energy source unless that is all you have left, and your legs will definately get stronger. As for total protein intake the amount you should probably start with is approximately 1.2-1.5 grams/kg of body weight. Professional athletes and body builders will max out around 2.5-3 grams/kg of body weight. The average individual only needs around .8-.9 grams/kg of body weight. Slade
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.05 18:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Gneeznow so I have this question, how long do you think it would take to lose 3 or 4 stone weight (55 pounds)(25 kilos) if you spent 1 hour at the gym each day, and ate boiled chicken and rice for dinner each day, and did not eat after 6pm, and consciously avoided dairy foods (except milk) I know its kinda an open ended question because of how varied people's weight/fitness level/metabolism is, but would like to have get some rough estimates Depending on your ages gender and what is causing your overweight, it can be 6 months to a year, or even longer. I think you should change your diet to a normal low calorie diet (DO NOT do a 0-carb diet, CARDS are good for you, you need carbs)
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2009.06.05 19:28:00 - [45] wow, there are a lot of misinformed people here. The most important thing is that you really have to want it for yourself. Losing that much weight in any less than 6 months will put a lot of stress on your body. You will also have to train hard enough to the point that injury(followed by a lot of inactivity) is highly possible.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.05 20:42:00 - [46] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 05/06/2009 20:42:25 Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto The most important thing is that you really have to want it for yourself. Exactly. That is also one of the main reasons that you do not want to try changing eating habits and exercise habits at the same time. Trying to change more then one behavior at a time drastically decreases that either change will be successfull especially when the multiple behaviors are as intertwined as eating and exercise. According to the Stages of Change (The Transtheoretical Model for Behavior Change) you whould want to have a solid six months of practice of one behavior before you are even hitting the maintanence phase. So with most clients I reccommend 6-8 months of regimine before the think about signficant changes in eating habits. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.06.05 22:22:00 - [47] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto wow, there are a lot of misinformed people here. The most important thing is that you really have to want it for yourself. Losing that much weight in any less than 6 months will put a lot of stress on your body. You will also have to train hard enough to the point that injury(followed by a lot of inactivity) is highly possible. Not true. there is this mindset that people have that you can only "workout" for an hour at a time. That is BS. Walk... a lot.. go up stairs.... stand, don't sit. put a backpack on, and fill it with weight. Wear it all the time. Drink lots of cold water. You spend energy heating it up. Wear very light cloths, turn down the thermostat. The biggest thing is Calories in < Calories out for you to loose weight. I know people who went to Afganistan, and lost weight eating 4k of Calories a day. Now, I am not suggesting you run up and down mountains all day with 80lbs on your back while it is freezing outside, at high altitude, but remember, a general increase in activity burns far more calories than what you can do in a Gym in 45 minutes. Lastly, CUT OUT SAUCES/DRESSINGS ON YOUR FOOD. I would also suggest subbing potatoes in occasionally, they have different vitamins. eat the peels as well.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.06 12:10:00 - [48] at a pound or two per week, anywhere from 6 months to 1 year.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.06 12:14:00 - [49] Originally by: Gneeznow so I have this question, how long do you think it would take to lose 3 or 4 stone weight (55 pounds)(25 kilos) if you spent 1 hour at the gym each day, and ate boiled chicken and rice for dinner each day, and did not eat after 6pm, and consciously avoided dairy foods (except milk) I know its kinda an open ended question because of how varied people's weight/fitness level/metabolism is, but would like to have get some rough estimates eat less exercise more ?? profit
Kyguard Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.06.06 17:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Audri Fisher Not true. there is this mindset that people have that you can only "workout" for an hour at a time. That is BS. Walk... a lot.. go up stairs.... stand, don't sit. put a backpack on, and fill it with weight. Wear it all the time. Drink lots of cold water. You spend energy heating it up. Wear very light cloths, turn down the thermostat. Actually, you're wrong. After an hour of intense workout your body will start to release cortisol (stress hormone) that will significantly hamper any gains you make after it is released. It's not an hour exactly, it depends on the person and working out for an hour and a half is still a good idea, anything past that and it's all in vain. -
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.07 09:17:00 - [51] Muscle gain takes place in the resting phase after a workout which is why doing shorter workouts more often is better than occasional long ones.
Gunshot Bride	Posted - 2009.06.07 11:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Gneeznow so the general consensus seems to be between 12 weeks and 24 weeks depending on diet and lifestyle, I need to do this in 100 days from today (for unspecified reasons) thats a little over 3 months! good no more crap vids then
mama guru Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.07 11:50:00 - [53] Edited by: mama guru on 07/06/2009 11:57:44 Edited by: mama guru on 07/06/2009 11:51:02 Originally by: Slade Trillgon All in all your post is pretty much dead on except for the concept that you will loose muslce mass if all you do is cardio and that cardio only needs to be done 3 times per week. We are hunters and gathers by nature and thus lower intensity activity (cardiovascular activity) is supposed to be a substantial party of our day to day activity. The reason that it needs to be done at higher intensities for 45-60 minutes a day is because most of us do not get even close to the 10,000-15,000 steps per day that is necessary to help prevent the cardiovascular disease process progressing to far.. As for the comment about cardio burning lean muscle mass, this only occurs if and when you have no fat left and the body has utilized all the carbs it can spare. Exactly and one hour cardio 3d/week covers the needs to maintain a healthy cardiovascular system. Anything more and its your loss. We are hunters and gatherers by nature and our bodies are geared towards storage and survival, thus excess bodyfat is our bodys preferred state. And less musclemass means less energy expenditure and thus more energy left for storage. Cardio IS carabolic by defenition, because it relies on the Aerobic energy system and thus rely on liver glycogen and fat burning to sustain itself but also muscles. Because your body doesnt wanna adapt to running a marathon with all that musclemass, it wants less to make it easier to sustain that kind of activity. That is what leads to musclemass loss. Your body stores energy in two ways: one is through bodyfat, the other is through muscle hyperthropy. Muscle mass gains is alot of waterweight, glycogen binds water to the muscle cells. This is the only reason as to why bodybuilders can loose like 30-40 pounds in less then twelve weeks. Anaerobic activity such as High intensity Interval training(cardio) and weightlifting relies on a different energy system. The activity is simply to sterenous to sustain as your body would normally and thus relies on storages of muscle glycogen and ATP, this is extremely taxing in relative terms and your body compensates by increasing metabolism and storing more nutrients in your musclemass to adapt to that sort of activity. This is why usain bolt looks ripped. This is why the flying finns looks like malnourished soviet labourcamp detainees. Cardio is essential, but it should not be the staple of your exercise program if your ultimate goal is to loose bodyfat and maintain a healthy weight for the rest of your life. Edit: This is something that every good fitness expert, professional or otherwise will agree on. Cardio can be done at alot higher frequency if you want to aslong as you eat at a caloric excess, such as when youre trying to build muscle. But alot of people overcomentastes and eats to little because they dont factor in cardio as burning calories and wonders why they still look like a skinny twink after 12 months in the gym. Then again, nobody has died because all they did was cardio to loose weight. Im just saying what will give you the best result in around a year from now. The lesson is just that weightlifting is used to increase your metabolism when trying to loose weight, cardio is just supplementary to control the rate of the weightloss.

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