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Laiyna Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.05 09:19:00 - [1] Anybody got a suggestion what could be a nice hauler ship? I am in need of transporting expensive cargo while afk. I know you can not be totaly immune to sewer side ganking but a plain tech1 hauler would be a to tempting target for this. I need about the space in my cargo for a GSC, and enough buffer to let concord do its work for up to 2-3 suicide gankers at the same time (eg my cargo will have 100 to 300M value). Prefer something fast to train, not looking into tech2 ships atm if possible or freighters. Any suggestions or ideas? Laiyna
Mish'Kala Minmatar FarSight Location and Recovery Services	Posted - 2009.06.05 09:38:00 - [2] Um....Seriously? Ok Lets take this one point at a time.... I am in need of transporting expensive cargo while afk. I know you can not be totaly immune to sewer side ganking but a plain tech1 hauler would be a to tempting target for this. Transporting Expensive Cargo and AFK is a dumb move, and you just advertised that you do it. I need about the space in my cargo for a GSC Most of the T1 industrials will handle this, and the T2 Transports. Cant think of any other ship that would, unless you got for a freighter or an Orca. and enough buffer to let concord do its work for up to 2-3 suicide gankers at the same time (eg my cargo will have 100 to 300M value). Did i mention the freighters or the Orca ??? Prefer something fast to train, not looking into tech2 ships atm if possible or freighters Not possible. You need a freighter for this if you must go AFK. Any suggestions or ideas? Yes. i would honestly say you want to train for a blockade runner like the Crane. They are fast to warp, have the cargo space you need and virtually uncatchable in Hisec, provided you actually fly it. AFK hauling is just asking for trouble. Best of luck :) i may have just been trolled, but if not, i hope this helps.
Laiyna Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.05 09:50:00 - [3] An Exequror can get around 20K hitpoints and about 2500 cargo. And a basic suicide ship (Cruiser or BC) can not do the amount of damage to kill this fast enough solo. But I am no EFT wizzie, and for sure I do not know all ships, etc. So hoping for better options. And no, not trolling. But when running a few accounts, its helpful if I can get some cargo transported, without slow boating in freighters (or Orca). Also the volume is prity huge in these ships, and I dont need that space.
Kurfin	Posted - 2009.06.05 09:59:00 - [4] For moving high value stuff around high sec the deep space transports are the way to go, which does mean tech 2. The two best for the task would be the Amarr Impel and the Gallente Occator, as all DSTs are heavy on low slots and these two are designed for armor tanking. You can get a battleship sized tank on the Impel (and I guess the Occ too, but I haven't tried it) with a cargo hold of 5000m3 which is more than enough for a GSC. Without going tech 2 the Badger mk2 can fit a reasonable shield tank, with a DCU II and probably a reactor control in the lows. But it can't get close to the DSTs for tank. As previously stated AFK hauling valuable stuff isn't a good idea. But unless you are at war, it would take a lot of ships to gank a heavily tanked Impel or Occ before concord shows up.
Mish'Kala Minmatar FarSight Location and Recovery Services	Posted - 2009.06.05 10:00:00 - [5] Oh, agreed its nice to AFK when you can but high value and AFK isnt a good plan. the think to remember about EHP is that its EFFECTIVE hp not actual. Most ships go pop way befoer they take their EHP worth of damage. If someone sets up to suicide you, you will be looking at several gank fit BC's (minimum) which will tear through a 20K EHP ship in no time at all. Also the ship you mentions cant hold a GSC... not sure how important that is for you tho.
Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.06.05 10:32:00 - [6] Deep space transports can be tanky, but skills requirement is high. Not to mention, being a primary scan target in an expensive ship. Afk in these and you're guaranteed at least a loss. For faux pas haulers, only battleships like the Dominix/Armageddon have enough space for your GSC requirement. However, they'd be totally slowed by the cargo expanders that you'd probably be better off with the Orca. If you downgrade to HSC instead, Hurricane/Harbinger/Myrmidons will fit the bill nicely. Cheap to replace too.
Juwi Kotch Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.05 10:38:00 - [7] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 05/06/2009 10:39:44 Just don't do it, you will regret it. As the others said already, high value hauling while afk is a no-no. I would skill for the smallest/fastest industrial (those are additional no preferred target for cargo scans) which can fit a GSC without cargo expanders, and rig it for first agility and secondly speed. I would then use the low slots for passive armor plus a Damage Control, and the mid slots for passive shields. Juwi Kotch
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.06.05 10:48:00 - [8] There is another option nobody seems to have mentioned yet. Depending on the length of travel, you may want to investigate this setup: [Dominix, Hauler] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I Trimark Armor Pump I While it may be a bit on the spendy side (about 180 mil) it offers you over 40,000 REAL HP (that means actual hit points) and that is quite significant. It is slow however, but its sole defense is that hardly anybody scans battleships for cargo. Simply, they are hard to destroy. With the added effect of a few shimmery tech 2 Ion Blasters, people will consider you're in a buffer tanked wonder fit for DPS and they'll probably ignore you. It holds 3,409m3 cargo. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.05 11:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa There is another option nobody seems to have mentioned yet. Depending on the length of travel, you may want to investigate this setup: [Dominix, Hauler] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I Trimark Armor Pump I While it may be a bit on the spendy side (about 180 mil) it offers you over 40,000 REAL HP (that means actual hit points) and that is quite significant. It is slow however, but its sole defense is that hardly anybody scans battleships for cargo. Simply, they are hard to destroy. With the added effect of a few shimmery tech 2 Ion Blasters, people will consider you're in a buffer tanked wonder fit for DPS and they'll probably ignore you. It holds 3,409m3 cargo. There are none finer. sXe
Kurfin	Posted - 2009.06.05 11:37:00 - [10] Another approach would be set up courier contracts. Set a reasonable collateral (just enough to cover the replacement of the goods and any hassle involved in doing so) and a reasonable reward based on size of package, number of jumps and if lowsec is involved. Not as quick as hauling it yourself, and it will cost a bit, but is is risk free and doesn't require you to be at the keyboard. The key to using this method is set reasonable collateral and reward, otherwise your contract will be stuck around forever. Of course reasonable is hard to judge, but good courier contracts get snapped up quickly. So as a guide if your contract isn't accepted within 24 hours you're not being generous enough.
IWANNA TOUCHYA	Posted - 2009.06.05 12:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Laiyna An Exequror can get around 20K hitpoints and about 2500 cargo. And a basic suicide ship (Cruiser or BC) can not do the amount of damage to kill this fast enough solo. hmmm... well i am sure that the suicide ganker that came after me the other day is prob doing that ... but hey what do i know ... i was only in me pod
Johan Sabbat R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.06.05 12:16:00 - [12] If you do insist on doing this auto afk, fit a MWD. Put it in the activation slot for F1 and tape/weight that key down; you will now be mwding to the gate rather than just slow boating.
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.06.05 15:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Johan Sabbat If you do insist on doing this auto afk, fit a MWD. Put it in the activation slot for F1 and tape/weight that key down; you will now be mwding to the gate rather than just slow boating. Couldn't that be considered a type of macro gaming? I know it was in other games... heard of a few people getting warnings from the GMs because their sniffer had detected keystrokes inconsistent with normal game play and tagged them as a potential macro player. Just speculating, I dunno how CCP determines macro play versus normal play.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.05 16:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa There is another option nobody seems to have mentioned yet. Depending on the length of travel, you may want to investigate this setup: [Dominix, Hauler] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I Trimark Armor Pump I My God. Is that a practical Honor Tank I see? Though 3,400m3 might not be enough to hold all your honor...
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.06.05 17:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Seriously Bored My God. Is that a practical Honor Tank I see? Kinda gimped as he's mixing honor & armor tank. Might as well drop the trimark & plate for that extra honor bonus. Honor tank + shield tank isn't a bad combo.

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