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Crest Cutty
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Posted - 2009.06.08 22:47:00 -
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You guys will be happy to know that the **** OP sold the character to another person by creating another thread link without telling me.
The "new" owner of the character then mislead me into believing they were still the op and still wanted my isk/account name. I, believing that our contract still stood, sent isk to said jerk and was promptly blocked...
Petitions have been filed and all that but this was a pretty slimy move. My offer was accepted, but the buyer saw he could get more and tried to weasel out. Instead of being up front and just saying "you know I'd rather have 5b even though I agreed to your offer" and having it done with the coward/******* way out was chosen and I have to suffer through this crap.
I hope the hammer falls on both of these *****s pretty damned hard, the op for breaching a contract (don't even get me started on remedies) and the the d-bag purchaser who bilked me out of my isk.
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MAX PAYNE1
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:21:00 -
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Very hard done by m8 in anyone's eye's........
Hope justice is served sooner rather than later...........
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Harken Malo
Imperial Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:33:00 -
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To the OP: Too bad you did not follow the character sales rules here. Think you'll be hearing from CCP shortly, mate.
To the purchaser: Enjoy that pilot for a couple more days, you will not doubt lose him AND the ISK you scammed.
/me waits for the ban stick.
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Hoprah Winfries
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Posted - 2009.06.09 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hoprah Winfries on 09/06/2009 19:57:17
I just happned by character bazaar and saw your post. It was pretty messed up what happened but dont try to pin this on me.
1.You failed/broke the deal by immediatly logging off and not sending your account info to me for the transfer, therefore breaking the deal.
2. I immediately sent your isk back to avoid any problems. Like me not logging on for a couple days, internet going down, just anything that might keep me from the game while I still have your isk.
3. Why would you blindly sent isk to a character you know is being sold, especially after you failed to complete the deal and especially that you knew the character was being sold? You should have contacted the toon and made sure the deal was still on, especially after your isk was promptly returned.
4. I stated in the forum post that your bid still stood, not that you had won. You assumed that you still had won even though you failed to complete the deal and your isk was returned?
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Harken Malo
Imperial Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.06.09 21:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Hoprah Winfries
3. Why would you blindly sent isk to a character you know is being sold, especially after you failed to complete the deal and especially that you knew the character was being sold? You should have contacted the toon and made sure the deal was still on, especially after your isk was promptly returned.
If you look at his post, you will see that he did contact the char and was scammed. Why did he think the char in question was still yours? Because you did not follow the char transfer rules, specifically #14. In fact, you STILL have not complied with that rule, either in this thread or your other one.
Originally by: Hoprah Winfries
4. I stated in the forum post that your bid still stood, not that you had won. You assumed that you still had won even though you failed to complete the deal and your isk was returned?
Again, read the original post, he did not assume, he contacted you in game. But "you" were no longer you because you had sold the char in a different thread and not updated this one. Thereby breaking the rules. Therefore it is pinned on you, my friend.
As for the new owner, he clearly broke rule #7, and arguably #15 as well. Given that you started an entirely new thread to sell your character rather than continue to add to the one you already had, it suspiciously looks like you broke rule #15 as well. |
Efferil
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Posted - 2009.06.09 21:51:00 -
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No point in arguing this as it's up to CCP.
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Hoprah Winfries
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Harken Malo
For the new owner, he clearly broke rule #7, and arguably #15 as well. Given that you started an entirely new thread to sell your character rather than continue to add to the one you already had, it suspiciously looks like you broke rule #15 as well.
Well, you know what they say about opinions. Theres nothing in the "first" forum post stating that the character is sold, Ill admit thats is my fault. But that thread was dead for about almost a day and on like page 8. He never contacted me, and at the time he was the only one expressing interest, so I started a new thread. Anyways in the "second" thread its clear the character is sold like 10 hours before the incident which shows the new owner is the one that scammed him, not me. Anyways, CCP will sort it out. |
Crest Cutty
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:19:00 -
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CCP has rendered a judgment and I still have no isk...
Reasons sighted were:
a. It was obvious that when he returned the isk to you he no longer was selling you the character
b. Anything done after that was your responsibility
I am disappointed that CCP would respond with something being "obvious" as an explanation. This is my first character transfer and it is obvious, at least according to u.s. contract law, that once the bi-lateral contract was formed there could be no uni-lateral rescission without factors that did not exist in this case (mistake, misrepresentation, duress...) I thought once the deal was agreed to the deal was binding.
The rule that once a character is sold the title of the thread must be changed is there for a reason, I hope. This rule was broken, not addressed in CCP response. The last communication I received from the OP was that my bid of 4.25b was good. There were no further bids posted after that and since the auction had gone beyond "today" the logical conclusion was that the bid of 4.25b was a winning bid according to the terms of the OP. WHY WOULD I THINK ANY DIFFERENT??
The evemail sent simply stated that my account name was not received. Seeing the character online I responded with an evemail containing the account name and opened a private convo. (Here is my huge mistake) assuming it was you I only ask if the evemail was received with the proper account info. The new owner replied yeah, I informed that I was sending isk, checked this post to make sure everything was good and the character hadn't been sold already then sent the isk.
I believe the new owner intended to deceive me into believing they were the original owner. There was ample time (2-3 minutes)for the new owner to inform me that he was not the original owner after my notification that I was going to be sending isk and when the transfer took place, the new owner understood english as they responded to my question and the new owner was just that new. The honorable thing to do would be inform me that he had just purchased this account and has no idea what I'm going on about. Instead he saw potential profit and allowed my misconception to proceed, and then promptly blocked me. As I said in my petition I don't think this is the type of behavior that should be encouraged in this game.
There is not duty on the new owner to disclose the fact that they are indeed the new owner because that duty is assigned to the original owner by CCP. Without enforcing that duty CCP robs purchasers of their ability to know who they are dealing with in a character transfer. I lost my money because I relied on rules CCP created.
I'd hate for this all to fall on the original owner as I feel the purchaser is just a culpable for non-disclosure as the original owner is. It would have been just as simple for the new owner to speak up but instead they chose to profit from my confusion (shame on you).
This post is starting to ramble as I can rant all day. But I think it's best summed up with "I lost my money because I relied on rules CCP created." There is no post saying "return of isk is a valid way to unilaterally rescind a contract" or "return of funds indicates that the character has been sold." But there is a rule that says: "When a character is sold, please modify the topic title to reflect this to help other forum patrons know what characters are still available."
I hope a gm with fresh eyes takes a look and understands the situation differently.
Broke and ****ed
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Harken Malo
Imperial Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:09:00 -
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If you do not get your ISK back, please post here. Cause that'll be a new way to make money in Eve.
1) Post a thread to sell your character.
2) Accept buy offer from someone. Tell them to contact you in game to work out details. Do NOT update thread to indicate char has been sold.
3) Start new thread and quickly sell char to a friend, all legal and nice.
4) Friend poses as you, original buyer convos him, transfers ISK. Friend blocks original buyer and does not transfer char.
5) Split ISK with friend and do it again, so you get your char back.
/me rubs hands together, I have a few high SP chars that I can generate tens of billions of ISK with now. \o/ |
Mystic Firesun
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:48:00 -
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This is why i record my in-game convos and thread post, so i will have a thorough record of all things agreed upon to prevent scamming.
Its helped me to not get scammed on 3 seperate occasions over the last 2 years, all i had to do was tell them "hold on let me start fraps, so i can have a record of our in-game conversation" and they instantly left chat and rejected my offer/or closed thread.
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Trevent Railean
Gallente
Allied Tactical Squadron
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:07:00 -
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CCP should reverse ANYTHING that even remotely smells of a scam involving character trades. New owners of accounts should not represent themselves as the previous owners...the original rule regarding the new owners not representing themselves as the original owners should be modified...as CCP's apparent intention was to circumvent situations just like this.
This situation stinks to high heaven. |
Neroy v2
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:25:00 -
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Crest don't take that bull**** from CCP.
There's enough proof in this thread that you deserve your ISK back.
Their rules thread for one is the most ugly ass thread with no overview which is why I doubt people read it all through.
What happened here is total crap. It makes me think CCP is supporting new scam methods.
Again I can only say this is total BS
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Efferil
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:29:00 -
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If that's how it went, try and get it escalated to a senior GM then.
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Duva08
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Posted - 2009.06.11 11:13:00 -
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Yes keep petition, don't stop - they will everntually look into it properly.
Also ask in your petition "if what you guys see isn't a scam, then may i do...." and then preety much state what the above poster said - that being -
Put char for sale
Dont say its been sold
quickly sell
then get isk of someone else
Ask if that is ok, if it is please let us know! :) If not, then use it to prove that thats what happened to you thus your isk should be returned.
KEEP PETITIONING THOUGH - |
Gerdan BloodELF
Shade.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 11:18:00 -
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Scamming on char bazzar is not allowed petition under character transfers in petition system.
Plz stop this silly thread now of all these people telling you how to do the wrong things post chat logs to gm's they will sort it out
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