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Myz Toyou
Minmatar Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 11:57:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Numure Kil
To be honest though, this would never of been much of an issue if we didn't alarm clock a few weeks ago to help them out.
Witch leads to the question: Did they call for help or did you alarm clock to safe your moon glue ? |
Malur Fy'Lap
Caldari Heavy Influence Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 12:02:00 -
[92]
Didn't TCF just backstab OWN about a month ago? |
Qidea Tyn
Caldari Crowded Igloo Silver Twilight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.08 12:09:00 -
[93]
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Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.08 12:13:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Butter Dog you are one creepily obsessive human being, you know that?
I mean seriously creepy.
only one of us pays money to post on a 'zany' internet forum, and its not me
See what I mean, this kind of broken unnatural logic in your internal reasoning, all a swirl of retreaded non-sequitur.
Such an uncomfortably strange person.
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128th ABC123
Caldari Eve Liberation Force Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.08 12:47:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Butter Dog you are one creepily obsessive human being, you know that?
I mean seriously creepy.
only one of us pays money to post on a 'zany' internet forum, and its not me
See what I mean, this kind of broken unnatural logic in your internal reasoning, all a swirl of retreaded non-sequitur.
Such an uncomfortably strange person.
I thought personal attacks were a bannable offense... |
2PROVIEF
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:07:00 -
[96]
Edited by: 2PROVIEF on 08/06/2009 13:07:41 I think we keep that territory as long as we do expect. with respect to SE they have as neighbors RA, legion of death, kraftwerk which are blue with tcf and atlas,aggression,AAA,which are red they have made their choice futur will tell us if it was the good choice
ps sorry for bad english i m low skilled french
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Shadowsword
Gallente Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:14:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Malur Fy'Lap Didn't TCF just backstab OWN about a month ago?
Yeah, because stopping a rent, and giving the renter weeks to move their stuff out before the actual reset, is the very definition of backstabbing.
Bitter Dog, I am in TCF. You're not. I know what the alliance objective were two months ago. You have only your speculation. The dyspro moons were clearly secondary besides helping an ally in need and sending back Agression into npc space. If you want to contest that, you'd better show a proof, or stfu. ------------------------------------------
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RevrendStyx
Caldari Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:35:00 -
[98]
lulz, nice reset. Didn't see this one coming. I agree with it though. Goons left their side to move to delve, tcf went north, United Legion fell apart, RA is messing around in the drone regions. I'm sure this put them in a bad spot defending against Atlas, Agg. etc...I wonder if RA will get hit now? And if they do will goonies come to save them? |
Graalum
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:39:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Graalum on 08/06/2009 13:43:52
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: Butter Dog really?
good for scorched earth
TCF were absent landlords, milking pets and dyspro from the region and giving them a raw deal
alliances really shouldnt expect they can give people a crappy deal like that, live 100 jumps away, and not get a knife in the back - you reap what you sow
This from CAOD's foremost Kenny/BoB cheerleader. How does your head not explode from the sheer cognitive dissidence of it all?
welp |
Malur Fy'Lap
Caldari Heavy Influence Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 13:40:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Malur Fy'Lap Didn't TCF just backstab OWN about a month ago?
Yeah
Well I'm glad we've cleared things up |
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:25:00 -
[101]
Originally by: 2PROVIEF
with respect to SE they have as neighbors RA, legion of death, kraftwerk which are blue with tcf and atlas,aggression,AAA,which are red
Not much a of choice, is it?
XIX have lost nearly 100 POS in the last week and are being soundly beaten, RA are losing wars on two fronts, and Kraftwerk aren't a factor. On the other the AAA-team who would have taken their space anyway had they not switched sides.
I don't see they had any choice, and you can only rely on absent landlords who milk your highends for so long... it was a logical and sensible decision.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:40:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 08/06/2009 11:30:45 Edited by: Shadowsword on 08/06/2009 11:29:04
Originally by: Butter Dog really?
good for scorched earth
TCF were absent landlords, milking pets and dyspro from the region and giving them a raw deal
Pets? Give me the names of those renters, I'm not sure we had any left. As far as dyspro go, we had a grand total of 2 dyspro moons there.
And don't come tell us we're landlords when we only own 2 or 3 stations in the area. Scorched already had more than that, and didn't pay us any rent.
But keep deluding yourself about we being evil tyrants.
This is truely gold. The same individuals who two months ago would rant about SE needing TCF help, are now bashing TCF for not having helped SE enough. Logic ftw.
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alliances really shouldnt expect they can give people a crappy deal like that, live 100 jumps away, and not get a knife in the back - you reap what you sow
So will Scorched, eventually. Territory come and go, but trust and memory don't. Resetting standing is one thing. Climbing in bed with your enemies to keep your comfort is another, and that's called political whoring.
Well, you - the NC, taught that lesson well, resetting SE after helping you against Tri. --- I smack just for myself.
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Seph Res
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:40:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Shadowsword
I know what the alliance objective were two months ago. You have only your speculation. The dyspro moons were clearly secondary besides helping an ally in need and sending back Agression into npc space. If you want to contest that, you'd better show a proof, or stfu.
i know what your objective was, to keep us busy in tenerifis to hold goonswarms hands, loose a titan over it and evacuate the 10 freighters you jumped there the moment the hangarbays closed after them again, this sums it quite up
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:48:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Seph Res
Originally by: Shadowsword
I know what the alliance objective were two months ago. You have only your speculation. The dyspro moons were clearly secondary besides helping an ally in need and sending back Agression into npc space. If you want to contest that, you'd better show a proof, or stfu.
i know what your objective was, to keep us busy in tenerifis to hold goonswarms hands, loose a titan over it and evacuate the 10 freighters you jumped there the moment the hangarbays closed after them again, this sums it quite up
Well, it work, because of some reason, you didn't make us die in peace like you promised.
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Euriti
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:52:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Euriti on 08/06/2009 14:52:37
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Welp, Butter Dog says it's a good idea. He's been wrong about everything in the last 3 years, but certainly this time he can't be!
are you angry because the goons will need another 12 months of hand-holding if they're ever going to make good on their threats to scorched earth?
I sense you are
are you angry because -a- and friends will need another 12 months of hand-holding if they're ever going to make good on their invasion of delve?
I sense you are ______________________________________________
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Wladeck
Gallente Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.08 15:01:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Malur Fy'Lap Didn't TCF just backstab OWN about a month ago?
Yeah, because stopping a rent, and giving the renter weeks to move their stuff out before the actual reset, is the very definition of backstabbing.
A renter who didn't pay anything to us. But they managed to burn out our diplo. . .
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Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.08 15:49:00 -
[107]
After the Max campaign, the NC, as agreed beforehand, reset SE along with other alliances that were set to + for the duration of the Max hostilities. This was recognised by SE back then, so all the NC haters that want to spin this into our direction, sorry to disappoint you.
As SE lost it's space as some NC entities in need for a new home took their land, there was a sense of disappointment amongst quite a few in the NC, as SE had always acted very respectfully and certainly pulled their weight. So, when the opportunity arose, we contacted SE and asked them if they were interested in a juicy bit of land down south, under the protection of TCF, along with the needed standings to be able to hold this region on it's own. They agreed and as such, landed themselves with WC, which is an awesome region to hold, and good alliances next to them for mutual defence. These alliances in time of need did their part of the agreement as well.
Now, this standings inversion is pretty much meh, but SE will have good reasons for it. Ashame to lose a friend this way, but that's just the way it is. Upsets like this makes Eve politically interesting, so all we can do is wish SE the best and work hard to make them regret their latest decisions :) |
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.08 15:56:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Twoside After the Max campaign, the NC, as agreed beforehand, reset SE along with other alliances that were set to + for the duration of the Max hostilities. This was recognised by SE back then, so all the NC haters that want to spin this into our direction, sorry to disappoint you.
As SE lost it's space as some NC entities in need for a new home took their land, there was a sense of disappointment amongst quite a few in the NC, as SE had always acted very respectfully and certainly pulled their weight. So, when the opportunity arose, we contacted SE and asked them if they were interested in a juicy bit of land down south, under the protection of TCF, along with the needed standings to be able to hold this region on it's own. They agreed and as such, landed themselves with WC, which is an awesome region to hold, and good alliances next to them for mutual defence. These alliances in time of need did their part of the agreement as well.
Now, this standings inversion is pretty much meh, but SE will have good reasons for it. Ashame to lose a friend this way, but that's just the way it is. Upsets like this makes Eve politically interesting, so all we can do is wish SE the best and work hard to make them regret their latest decisions :)
whoa, serious posting from twoside
on a similarly serious note - maybe if being in your powerbloc meant people didn't side with goonswarm, they'd be less desperate to jump ship
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vamira
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:13:00 -
[109]
Wouf wouf |
Orree
Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:42:00 -
[110]
Originally by: BuIIseye
Originally by: Heath Ledger Traitors.
Isn't Sc0rched Earth the alliance NC reset couple of months ago after using them in the war vs G00dfellas and Triumvirate because they didn't want them to hold on any sov they had acquired in Fade/Pure Blind/Deklein and your leadership was quick to dismiss it as a end of agreement rather than betrayal?
Double standard much?
Not to address your point directly, but I think it bears mentioning...
The "deal" with all of those alliances (of which Sc0ched Earth was one) was they approached us for blue standings to fight a common enemy. I wasn't the initial point of contact (I think it was TraderJohn, but I can't recall for sure) but it wasn't long before I had to become involved. We (the NC) weren't really interested in the help as it was aboviously not-needed, but decided to go along with it because at the very least, it would allow us to focus on the task at hand and not be side-tracked by a bunch of neutrals in the area. Even with that said, I (and a few others) didn't want to blue them at all anyway, but someone yelled loud enough (can't recall who at the moment and I don't have access to the NC command fora any more for obvious reasons), and I basically had to take the decision to go ahead and do it.
They were all told in no uncertain terms that the standings were temporary with the possibility that we might extend them if we felt it was warranted. Whether they misunderstood or only heard what they wanted to hear, I cannot say. I think all the entities in question were reasonable people and I'm not trying to cast any negative aspersions in their direction.
Once we were done in the area, we didn't feel it was warranted to retain blue standings and informed them of our intent to reset what were always TEMPORARY standings.
The whole idea that they were somehow done wrong or "used" is way overdone. I will admit that the initial standings talks were confused and not very well done at all.
I have no idea what TCF's arrangement with Sc0rched Earth was...so you may be right about too much being made of their decision. It's definitely an interesting one and I think it's easy to see the short-term benefit of it.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
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Euriti
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:44:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Twoside After the Max campaign, the NC, as agreed beforehand, reset SE along with other alliances that were set to + for the duration of the Max hostilities. This was recognised by SE back then, so all the NC haters that want to spin this into our direction, sorry to disappoint you.
As SE lost it's space as some NC entities in need for a new home took their land, there was a sense of disappointment amongst quite a few in the NC, as SE had always acted very respectfully and certainly pulled their weight. So, when the opportunity arose, we contacted SE and asked them if they were interested in a juicy bit of land down south, under the protection of TCF, along with the needed standings to be able to hold this region on it's own. They agreed and as such, landed themselves with WC, which is an awesome region to hold, and good alliances next to them for mutual defence. These alliances in time of need did their part of the agreement as well.
Now, this standings inversion is pretty much meh, but SE will have good reasons for it. Ashame to lose a friend this way, but that's just the way it is. Upsets like this makes Eve politically interesting, so all we can do is wish SE the best and work hard to make them regret their latest decisions :)
whoa, serious posting from twoside
on a similarly serious note - maybe if being in your powerbloc meant people didn't side with goonswarm, they'd be less desperate to jump ship
Like all the KenZoku pets? ______________________________________________
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:15:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Twoside After the Max campaign, the NC, as agreed beforehand, reset SE along with other alliances that were set to + for the duration of the Max hostilities. This was recognised by SE back then, so all the NC haters that want to spin this into our direction, sorry to disappoint you.
As SE lost it's space as some NC entities in need for a new home took their land, there was a sense of disappointment amongst quite a few in the NC, as SE had always acted very respectfully and certainly pulled their weight. So, when the opportunity arose, we contacted SE and asked them if they were interested in a juicy bit of land down south, under the protection of TCF, along with the needed standings to be able to hold this region on it's own. They agreed and as such, landed themselves with WC, which is an awesome region to hold, and good alliances next to them for mutual defence. These alliances in time of need did their part of the agreement as well.
Now, this standings inversion is pretty much meh, but SE will have good reasons for it. Ashame to lose a friend this way, but that's just the way it is. Upsets like this makes Eve politically interesting, so all we can do is wish SE the best and work hard to make them regret their latest decisions :)
whoa, serious posting from twoside
on a similarly serious note - maybe if being in your powerbloc meant people didn't side with goonswarm, they'd be less desperate to jump ship
Like all the KenZoku pets?
you mean the ones joining other alliances in the anti-goon southern coalition? sure, why not, they can be included too!
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Cupdeez
Caldari Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:24:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Cupdeez on 08/06/2009 17:24:47 Hmm... things are never dull in EVE but lets take a look at some interesting things.
Minor Treat (500 members)- Lives in curse and is only 1 capital jump away from decent regions in the south
Cult of War (900 members)- Lives in Great Wildlands only 1 capital jump away from decent regions in the south
Agrro (1940 members)- Correctly took ok space in the south
Atlas (2150 members)- is taking more and more region in the south
Burnt Dirty (2100 SE) - backstabbing TCF to join the above in taking more good space in the south
Although some of them will not admit anything they are on the -aaa-/kenny side of the fight. Scalding pass will probably be the next target of interest and it will fall extremely quick. I could see Cult of War taking this space.. I'm sure they have assets in the stations from the LV days. ----------------------------------
We might have another Great War coming soon and again its going to happen in the south. For this very reason I think the NC is smarter....
Kenny (+pets) -AAA- (+pets) Cult of War Aggro Minor Threat Burt Dirty (SE) Atlas
VS
Goons TCF NC RA PL & pets
This looks to be about 10-15,000 members on both sides..
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Crucial Rhyme
Minmatar Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 17:41:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Twoside After the Max campaign, the NC, as agreed beforehand, reset SE along with other alliances that were set to + for the duration of the Max hostilities. This was recognised by SE back then, so all the NC haters that want to spin this into our direction, sorry to disappoint you.
As SE lost it's space as some NC entities in need for a new home took their land, there was a sense of disappointment amongst quite a few in the NC, as SE had always acted very respectfully and certainly pulled their weight. So, when the opportunity arose, we contacted SE and asked them if they were interested in a juicy bit of land down south, under the protection of TCF, along with the needed standings to be able to hold this region on it's own. They agreed and as such, landed themselves with WC, which is an awesome region to hold, and good alliances next to them for mutual defence. These alliances in time of need did their part of the agreement as well.
Now, this standings inversion is pretty much meh, but SE will have good reasons for it. Ashame to lose a friend this way, but that's just the way it is. Upsets like this makes Eve politically interesting, so all we can do is wish SE the best and work hard to make them regret their latest decisions :)
whoa, serious posting from twoside
on a similarly serious note - maybe if being in your powerbloc meant people didn't side with goonswarm, they'd be less desperate to jump ship
Like all the KenZoku pets?
you mean the ones joining other alliances in the anti-goon southern coalition? sure, why not, they can be included too!
TBH it seems the entire goons coalition that was in the south fell apart and was replaced by an anti-goon coalition. Funny how that works. You guys (Goons) troll quite often about bob treating their allies like crap. It seems you guys left all your friends out to dry in the south. Double standards are the lulz...
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Skwizz
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:30:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Butter Dog you are one creepily obsessive human being, you know that?
I mean seriously creepy.
only one of us pays money to post on a 'zany' internet forum, and its not me
Yeah you totally post here for free. On the internet forum. About spaceships.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:40:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Cupdeez Edited by: Cupdeez on 08/06/2009 17:24:47 Hmm... things are never dull in EVE but lets take a look at some interesting things.
Minor Treat (500 members)- Lives in curse and is only 1 capital jump away from decent regions in the south
Cult of War (900 members)- Lives in Great Wildlands only 1 capital jump away from decent regions in the south
Agrro (1940 members)- Correctly took ok space in the south
Atlas (2150 members)- is taking more and more region in the south
Burnt Dirty (2100 SE) - backstabbing TCF to join the above in taking more good space in the south
Although some of them will not admit anything they are on the -aaa-/kenny side of the fight. Scalding pass will probably be the next target of interest and it will fall extremely quick. I could see Cult of War taking this space.. I'm sure they have assets in the stations from the LV days. ----------------------------------
We might have another Great War coming soon and again its going to happen in the south. For this very reason I think the NC is smarter....
Kenny (+pets) -AAA- (+pets) Cult of War Aggro Minor Threat Burt Dirty (SE) Atlas
VS
Goons TCF NC RA PL & pets
This looks to be about 10-15,000 members on both sides..
I see Tenth haven't stopped being stupid. FYI, just because some of those entities decided to claim undefended space of an NC member on the other side of the galaxy, doesn't make them part of GBC/GKC. --- I smack just for myself.
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Kalie Erry
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:42:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Crucial Rhyme
TBH it seems the entire goons coalition that was in the south fell apart and was replaced by an anti-goon coalition. Funny how that works. You guys (Goons) troll quite often about bob treating their allies like crap. It seems you guys left all your friends out to dry in the south. Double standards are the lulz...
You should probably just end it all now because clearly you know nothing about anything.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:47:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Muad' Dib
I see Tenth haven't stopped being stupid. FYI, just because some of those entities decided to claim undefended space of an NC member on the other side of the galaxy, doesn't make them part of GBC/GKC.
He didn't say they were. He said they were part of the anti-goon southern coalition, which was risen up in the goons old space. And he is correct.
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Kublaii Khanid
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:57:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Butter Dog you are one creepily obsessive human being, you know that?
I mean seriously creepy.
only one of us pays money to post on a 'zany' internet forum, and its not me
woah, how do you get your eve subscription for free? $15/month for this forum is balls, and i want to not pay it like the amazing butter dog |
Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:58:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 08/06/2009 19:00:42
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Muad' Dib
I see Tenth haven't stopped being stupid. FYI, just because some of those entities decided to claim undefended space of an NC member on the other side of the galaxy, doesn't make them part of GBC/GKC.
He didn't say they were. He said they were part of the anti-goon southern coalition, which was risen up in the goons old space. And he is correct.
No he isn't, and the reason for that is because after the 'vs' comes every entity that is currently active in the anti-gkc war. Get your facts straight nub.
Originally by: Kublaii Khanid
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Butter Dog you are one creepily obsessive human being, you know that?
I mean seriously creepy.
only one of us pays money to post on a 'zany' internet forum, and its not me
woah, how do you get your eve subscription for free? $15/month for this forum is balls, and i want to not pay it like the amazing butter dog
I would like to respond to that, but the fact is, some actually pay 15$ a month just to post on this forum ... |
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