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Raia Mortius
Yin Bao
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:06:00 -
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what is better?
i saw a video where ccp basically said that soon it will be more beneficial to run multiple clients of one install as it would allow the clients to share data (like cache a grid for example?).
question is now. has this time arrived yet or is this for the future?
is it still better to run separate clients, is there no difference?
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Kulmid
THE SPLASH NAVY
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:12:00 -
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Always run all of my clients off a single install. Never have had any issues until I get into the 4-5 client range where I get weird bugs like a completely white background and FPS of about 2.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:14:00 -
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I run multiple clients off one install but linked with junctions so I do get separate cache from every client but windows loads/reads files from the same physical files which in turn gets cached by windows itself making it run pretty smooth.
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Raia Mortius
Yin Bao
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:17:00 -
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what do you mean by "linked to junctions" ?
i thought each character on a client always produces a separate cache, or is that not the case unless you specifically tell it to?
i know in the past it was better for me to have two installs but that was years ago and now my eve dirs are about 5gig each so am thinking about going to one install.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Raia Mortius what do you mean by "linked to junctions" ?
Junctions = symbolic (directory) links in windows (or look at the wikipedia for a slightly less technical description).
I'm assuming he has set up a number of different directories that actually use the same sub directories so that only one copy of every (large) resource file exist. Patch one client and they're all patched, since they all use the same files, but still look like completely separate installs to the system. |

Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:48:00 -
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junctions eh?
/eyeglaze |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:51:00 -
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Meh just typed a LOOONG explanation of this and the ******ed forum decided I was logged out 
New post coming soon. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.09 09:58:00 -
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Junctions are like shortcuts, but to windows they look like the real thing, and is treated like the real filestructure.
For example I have the install C:\EVE1, I can now create a junction named C:\EVE2 which points to C:\EVE1 The content of EVE2 will now always be the same as EVE1.
So what's this good for, well when it comes to EVE it will now create a separate cache folder for EVE1 and EVE2 eg \ccp\cache\c_eve1 and \ccp\cache\c_eve2
So what's that good for? Well if you run multiple accounts you know the hassle of using different settings for each account, eg gfx settings, audio, window position etc.
Using multiple "installs" will allow you to have one client with some settings and another with others, so you don't need to change all the time (if you like use multiple monitors).
So this way windows "thinks" you have multiple installs but in reality you only have one set of physical files, and as windows caches files being read the files will always be cached for every "install" you make this way, resulting in faster access times since if only need to cache the files once.
Also as said, patch C:\EVE1 and the install in C:\EVE2 is patched as well - since it's the same files.
So basically this is jus a way to create multiple cache locations and at the same time speed up the read/load of files since there's only one set of physical files.
If you don't care about gfx/theme/audio settings etc for your different accounts, then there's no need to do it like this. But like myself I have one client running in high resolution on one screen and other clients running in low-gfx on another screen. Using it like this enables me to just launch the client without having spend 5 minutes changing settings every time I log on the various accounts. |
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.06.09 10:33:00 -
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Let me see, I have now 2 copies of EVE, I want to get rid of one, so the solution to this on Mac OS X is to create an symbolic link, am I right?
So, I downloaded and installed 'SymbolicLinker' and have now 'EVE1.app symlink', which is a sort off glorified 'alias'. Now if I open EVE1 or EVE1.app symlink (renaming the symlink doesn't matter) it opens the same window. If I create a new symlink it still opens that 1 window, not a new EVE online window, which I want.
What am I doing wrong here?  |

Spurty
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.06.09 10:50:00 -
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junctions are fun.
You can point your logs over to a network mapped drive.
Now you can read what people are saying in channels from upstairs with a baby in your arms drinking a bottle from your ultralite weight linux netbook.
tail -f <-- for the win |

Zhek Kromtorr
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:08:00 -
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Smart, I'll look into junctions. |

Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Junctions are like shortcuts, but to windows they look like the real thing, and is treated like the real filestructure.
For example I have the install C:\EVE1, I can now create a junction named C:\EVE2 which points to C:\EVE1 The content of EVE2 will now always be the same as EVE1.
So what's this good for, well when it comes to EVE it will now create a separate cache folder for EVE1 and EVE2 eg \ccp\cache\c_eve1 and \ccp\cache\c_eve2
So what's that good for? Well if you run multiple accounts you know the hassle of using different settings for each account, eg gfx settings, audio, window position etc.
Using multiple "installs" will allow you to have one client with some settings and another with others, so you don't need to change all the time (if you like use multiple monitors).
So this way windows "thinks" you have multiple installs but in reality you only have one set of physical files, and as windows caches files being read the files will always be cached for every "install" you make this way, resulting in faster access times since if only need to cache the files once.
Also as said, patch C:\EVE1 and the install in C:\EVE2 is patched as well - since it's the same files.
So basically this is jus a way to create multiple cache locations and at the same time speed up the read/load of files since there's only one set of physical files.
If you don't care about gfx/theme/audio settings etc for your different accounts, then there's no need to do it like this. But like myself I have one client running in high resolution on one screen and other clients running in low-gfx on another screen. Using it like this enables me to just launch the client without having spend 5 minutes changing settings every time I log on the various accounts.
Hot DAMN This will save me alot of hard-drive space.  |

Viliny
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:26:00 -
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What would be the best way to synchronise files from one place to another in realtime or frequently? And i do mean replication not just linking them.
Suggestions in both Windows and linux welcome! |

Herpes Sweatrash
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:53:00 -
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Wiki explain how to setup Eve this way (windows & mac osx)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Multiple_clients |

Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.06.09 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Petra Katell on 09/06/2009 12:56:28 Junctions are Windows way of finally adding a 1980's feature of Unix 
edit: 80's not 70's.
lol
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.06.09 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Petra Katell This post has been cleared of inappropiate content.
Grek Forto Yarring Blog |

Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.06.09 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto I somehow managed to add even less to this thread
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Ervol Libra
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2009.06.09 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ervol Libra on 09/06/2009 13:51:01
Originally by: Maria Kalista Let me see, I have now 2 copies of EVE, I want to get rid of one, so the solution to this on Mac OS X is to create an symbolic link, am I right?
So, I downloaded and installed 'SymbolicLinker' and have now 'EVE1.app symlink', which is a sort off glorified 'alias'. Now if I open EVE1 or EVE1.app symlink (renaming the symlink doesn't matter) it opens the same window. If I create a new symlink it still opens that 1 window, not a new EVE online window, which I want.
What am I doing wrong here? 
You have to create a symlink to the directory and make a new shortcut or use a script to start it from the linked directory.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:34:00 -
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5 installations over 3 drives, 5 accounts run flawlessly (besides inherent bugs, obviously) |

Kayrin Dedarrik
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Posted - 2009.06.10 10:29:00 -
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For people who want to run multiple accounts off one Eve install, but don't want to mess with Junctions, I'd just point out that you can also accomplish it by starting Eve from a batch file.
Note: As Chribba said, it only matters if you want to keep separate settings for each account. Stuff like market logs, game logs, and chat logs remain shared by all accounts.
This thread specifies how to do it. The relevant posts are the first and the second to last post. The content of the batch file looks just like the text quoted in the first post, and you'll have to create one for each account.
I use it to get Eves cache (both TQ and SiSi) off the system drive.
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