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ARMTEL
Value Added Traders
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Posted - 2009.06.09 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: ARMTEL on 09/06/2009 10:27:07
Is there any point in training the Titan skill to lvl 2.
The bonus they get are not good for the job they do. For example the Avatar has bonus to Cap energy turret and damage. We all know that these ships are dropped in at the edge of the grid and dd the fleet then warp of an ss and cloak. The bonus for the warefare link bonus is not worth the cost of the ship.
Perhaps the bonus could be more suited to what they are used for like cargo bay increse  or dd effectivness or jump distance |
Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:02:00 -
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 Originally by: ARMTEL
The bonus for the warefare link bonus is not worth the cost of the ship.
But if you have the ship, it's nice to have the bonus as high as possible...
Anyway, as with all skills: if you don't think it's worth it, don't train it.
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ARMTEL
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
But if you have the ship, it's nice to have the bonus as high as possible...
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But my point is would you sit in an uncloaked titan giving bonus to your gang members anywhere in a hostile system. Could the bonus given to the ship be more relivent to what its used for, nobody in their right mind would have this ship fighting head to head on the battlefield |
Mona X
Caldari
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2009.06.09 13:57:00 -
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7.5% bonus to gang membersĘ capacitor recharge rate per level
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Areo Hotah
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.09 14:02:00 -
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At level 5:
Avatar: +37.5% cap recharge = roughly 2 T2, or 1 best officer cap recharger on every ship in the fleet.
Erebus: + 37.5% armor hp = 1 T1 and 1 T2 trimark without the penalty on every ship in the fleet.
Leviathan: + 37.5% shield hp = 1 T1 and 1 T2 CDFE without the penalty on every ship in the fleet.
Ragnarok: -37.5% signature radius = a maxxed out Claymore with the gang link OR a LG halo set for all ships/pilots in the fleet. |
Jainia Soltella
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Posted - 2009.06.09 15:03:00 -
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Titans can also be used in POSes when not DDing... (Either on home defense where you may want to let your people have fun with conventional ships, or when there is a strong chance of having dreads dropped on your head)
One thing a lot of new supercap pilots don't realize coming in is that 99% of your time is spent waiting. May as well hand out useful bonuses while sitting there. (Train Fleet Command while you are at it :-) )
Also many alliances have programs to get their pilots into Titans (Shared build costs, reduced price BPCs, etc...) If they have to choose between the guy with Titan 5, and the one with Titan 1... not really much of a choice there.
Last point: Unless you get it blown up, or sell it, this is the last ship that character will ever fly. Why wouldn't you max it out?
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.06.09 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jainia Soltella
One thing a lot of new supercap pilots don't realize coming in is that 99% of your time is spent waiting.
More like 99% spent logged out or cloaked.
It would only make sense to stay inside a pos if you have overwhelming superiority on the field. In which case what is the point of the bonuses?
Not worth the risk of putting a titan into the main gang so the bonuses aren't likely to be applied. The bonuses don't apply while logged out or cloaked. Look at fittings from lost titans and see how the ability to put warfare links on is totally ignored.
So lets look at basic required titan fittings: mwd, cloak, fittings for align time, doomsday, neuts/smartbombs. The skill for doomsday 5 is vastly more important. I can't see anything past titan 1 as much more than a nice to have when bored.
So the bonuses from a titan are a total waste of time. They'll be fixed when the fighter dmg bonus on the thanny is replaced with something more useful.
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ARMTEL
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jainia Soltella
Last point: Unless you get it blown up, or sell it, this is the last ship that character will ever fly. Why wouldn't you max it out?
Not true you can have a titan holding alt on an account who will jump in and log off in your titan when you are not using it. I know someone who does this.
I think crack has got what I am talking about the bonus given for this ship are not good for what they are actually used for, every other ship in eve work with their bonus the titan does not.
Gang bonus is not a good enough reward aginst the risk of the ship.
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: ARMTEL
Gang bonus is not a good enough reward aginst the risk of the ship.
If you use them in a fleet they can be. There is no risk when using then for the gang bonus, at least not as long as you can sit inside a POS's shields or cloak at a safe spot.
Those fleet bonuses are huge: Originally by: Areo Hotah
Ragnarok: -37.5% signature radius = a maxxed out Claymore with the gang link OR a LG halo set for all ships/pilots in the fleet.
That is like hitting every single member of the opposing fleet with e-war that combines Tracking Disruption and Scan Resolution Reduction.
At Titan level 3, its strength is better than an unscripted Tech 2 Tracking Disruptor/Sensor Dampener. At Titan level 5, its strength is stronger than a scripted Tech 2 Sensor Dampener and a scripted Tech 1 Tracking Disruptor, and only slightly weaker (37.5% instead of 40.2%) than a scripted Tech 2 Tracking Disruptor. 
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra
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No one buys a titan for the bonuses.
There is risks in using the bonuses. Put the titan in the main fleet and any spy is free to warp to that deep safe spot. Leave it at a pos in a warzone and you're inviting all sorts of trouble.
Titans are fit and operated like a t3 stealth bomber gang. They're so rarely killed because everyone recognizes that they're not fleet ships.
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Cyber Wolf
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:57:00 -
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by avatar lvl 5 = +37.5% cap recharge
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.06.12 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Ki Tarra
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No one buys a titan for the bonuses.
There is risks in using the bonuses. Put the titan in the main fleet and any spy is free to warp to that deep safe spot. Leave it at a pos in a warzone and you're inviting all sorts of trouble.
Titans are fit and operated like a t3 stealth bomber gang. They're so rarely killed because everyone recognizes that they're not fleet ships.
uhhh, the point of a bonus is that it is simply that. a BONUS. you buy the titan for the portal and the doomsday, and the bonuses (boni) are EXTRA.
and the POS thing? its probably safer than a deep safespot. |
Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.06.12 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
uhhh, the point of a bonus is that it is simply that. a BONUS. you buy the titan for the portal and the doomsday, and the bonuses (boni) are EXTRA.
and the POS thing? its probably safer than a deep safespot.
Every other ship is choosen because the bonus goes well with the intended ship. Someone might choose an archon because it'll have higher resists, or a logistics ship to remote rep. The bonuses on titans do not reflect how titans are actually used. They aren't compelling to choose one titan over another. These "bonuses" are somewhat of a waste.
Pos is only safe with an active cyno jammer, support to protect the pos (on the off chance of bumpage), and an active titan pilot. A pos is only useful for when you want to be seen by the enemy. You're picking visibility and bonuses over the doomsday if you go this route. Most titan pilots seem to stay out of pos's.
Otherwise its better for the titan pilot to cloak at a deep safespot and probably jump out when possible after shooting their load.
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