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Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.06.09 11:24:00 - [1] Hi guys They say curiosity killed the cat, but seeing as I am fearless I will just be curious anyway lol I was wondering earlier what happens during downtime. Instead of trying to articulate something, I'll just list some questions ♥ How automated is the process? i.e. Is the cluster on a hard scheduled automatic reboot? Could DT run it's course with no CCP supervision or interaction? ♥ What happens during downtime? I imagine the process begins with a maniacal CCP genius laughing as he flips an oversized kill switch. Then what? Server reboots, caches flushed, defrags, asteroid & market spawning? ♥ What happens differently between a 15m downtime and a 1hr 15m one? ♥ Are certain tasks handled on certain days? Asteroid spawns on Monday, NPC market on Tuesday, WH space reseeding on Wednesday & Friday for example ♥ What would happen if all of CCP came down with Jovian Flu? how long would the game last without them? That's it for now. x
Grez Core Contingency Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.09 11:25:00 - [2] A surprisingly good post by Cat... The world is coming to an end. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.06.09 11:32:00 - [3] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 09/06/2009 11:33:45 /me digs in the archives Downtime: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=259138 DAMMIT CCP FIX YOUR ****ING FORUMS I CANT LINK ANYTHING IN TEXT www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Leana Darkrider Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers	Posted - 2009.06.09 11:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 09/06/2009 11:33:45 /me digs in the archives Downtime: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=259138 DAMMIT CCP FIX YOUR ****ING FORUMS I CANT LINK ANYTHING IN TEXT Good story there Siigari. I lol'd while reading
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.06.09 13:58:00 - [5] Who's the author of the well-worded OP? I can't tell.
Doomed Predator The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.09 14:01:00 - [6] Cat got hacked it seems. Either that or alies abducted him and replaced him with a strange clone.
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.06.09 15:13:00 - [7] They replace the hamsters, amirite?
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2009.06.09 20:07:00 - [8] Originally by: F'nog Who's the author of the well-worded OP? I can't tell. It was me, Cat!!
Zoolman Supplant Networks	Posted - 2009.06.09 20:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Originally by: F'nog Who's the author of the well-worded OP? I can't tell. Hi, it's Cat here! Fixed that for you :) -- Zoolman -- A man from Zool (GB)

CCP Mindstar	Posted - 2009.06.10 16:10:00 - [10] Just passing by, thought I might add some answers How automated is the process? Very! EVE Downtime willl run with no intervention if it is left alone. This includes automated cluster shut down, automatic DB jobs and an automatic startup. What happens during downtime? What happens differently between a 15m downtime and a 1hr 15m one? Well, first, we turn off the servers. Shortly after that we turn them on again. .. I kid, I kid... Downtime as required by EVE directly is to run some heavy database procedures - including ones that lock DB tables (which would crash TQ if they were done live). This includes things like re-seeding the market, and other assorted low-level stuff. Originally it was also required to restart the EVE server processes (nodes) on each machine to account for memory leaks on the server - however this is fast becoming a thing of the past. That is what happens during a basic 15 - 20 minute downtime. Additional to these, we have all sorts of manual database cleanup work that is done during downtime - more and more of which is being progressively moved to "online". This can often account for another 20 minutes during a normal day. We do numerous server side hotfixes which require some extra time (within the 1 hour window), and we often do re-configurations of the individual blade servers that make up the TQ cluster. Are certain tasks handled on certain days Without going into any detail at all... Yes. What would happen if all of CCP came down with Jovian Flu? how long would the game last without them? This would imply direct contact with one or more Jovians. We at CCP have calculated the risks of this, and the general consensus is that one Jovian would be sufficient to perform the day-to-day functions of CCP, as well as run a small country on the side. --


Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.10 16:14:00 - [11] Oh Mindy! Sorry, had to get it out of the way. Not had a mindstar post in a while. Awesome info btw. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
eliminator2 Gallente Annihilate. Shock Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 16:17:00 - [12] i heard elves and gremlins are in the system and turn them on and off every day at same time allso they go out of hand and do it when they please sometimes ecplains why it has happened alot
Vladmir Loki Caldari Standards and Practices	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:04:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Mindstar What would happen if all of CCP came down with Jovian Flu? how long would the game last without them? This would imply direct contact with one or more Jovians. We at CCP have calculated the risks of this, and the general consensus is that one Jovian would be sufficient to perform the day-to-day functions of CCP, as well as run a small country on the side. Run a small country? Like Iceland, maybe? ************************************* Spoony G > CCP will have to reimburse me for what i paid for all that iskies
brahiem Flying While Intoxicated EvE Consortium	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:40:00 - [14] what about the changing of the hamsters?
Catscratcher	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:48:00 - [15] Oh hi guys Catsctratcher here! Originally by: CCP Mindstar Just passing by, thought I might add some answers Sure!
Hariya	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:09:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Mindstar Downtime as required by EVE directly is to run some heavy database procedures - including ones that lock DB tables . . . Additional to these, we have all sorts of manual database cleanup work that is done during downtime - more and more of which is being progressively moved to "online". So you can't do very good database normalization and design, and your architecture / products are barely coming to where the competitors have been for the last 10 years. Lol. Nice choice that, going for Windows + MS SQL server, and using summer trainees for most of the systems design
cpu939 Gallente OffBeat Creations The Elders Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:33:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Mindstar What would happen if all of CCP came down with Jovian Flu? how long would the game last without them? This would imply direct contact with one or more Jovians. We at CCP have calculated the risks of this, and the general consensus is that one Jovian would be sufficient to perform the day-to-day functions of CCP, as well as run a small country on the side. can we vote this jovian to be PM of the uk, i think he would do a better job the brown. questions how many member of staff work on the server at dt and what % is this of ccp staff? 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110
Spurty Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:46:00 - [18] I hear that on Wednesdays, they spawn 'roids' just for Chribba. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here i was thinking earlier about corpses...
Milla Jovo	Posted - 2009.06.10 20:19:00 - [19] I have a Question. During DT the website works just fine,, but if there is a crash the website goes down. Also during updates ( patches ) the website goes down. Why is the website so related to server crashes and or updates? the website should be on a different system. Or is this how they do it in Iceland?
Xianthar STK Scientific The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.06.10 21:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Milla Jovo I have a Question. During DT the website works just fine,, but if there is a crash the website goes down. Also during updates ( patches ) the website goes down. Why is the website so related to server crashes and or updates? the website should be on a different system. Or is this how they do it in Iceland? tranquility and the website share the same database server.

Doctor Penguin Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.10 21:58:00 - [21] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 10/06/2009 21:58:38 Originally by: Blane Xero Oh Mindy! Sorry, had to get it out of the way. Not had a mindstar post in a while. Awesome info btw. Well, Soundwave punching you in the ovaries tends to shut you up for a while. ________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Soundwave Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries.
Robdon	Posted - 2009.06.10 22:28:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Mindstar Just passing by, thought I might add some answers How automated is the process? Very! EVE Downtime willl run with no intervention if it is left alone. This includes automated cluster shut down, automatic DB jobs and an automatic startup. What happens during downtime? What happens differently between a 15m downtime and a 1hr 15m one? Well, first, we turn off the servers. Shortly after that we turn them on again. .. I kid, I kid... Downtime as required by EVE directly is to run some heavy database procedures - including ones that lock DB tables (which would crash TQ if they were done live). This includes things like re-seeding the market, and other assorted low-level stuff. Originally it was also required to restart the EVE server processes (nodes) on each machine to account for memory leaks on the server - however this is fast becoming a thing of the past. That is what happens during a basic 15 - 20 minute downtime. Additional to these, we have all sorts of manual database cleanup work that is done during downtime - more and more of which is being progressively moved to "online". This can often account for another 20 minutes during a normal day. We do numerous server side hotfixes which require some extra time (within the 1 hour window), and we often do re-configurations of the individual blade servers that make up the TQ cluster. Are certain tasks handled on certain days Without going into any detail at all... Yes. What would happen if all of CCP came down with Jovian Flu? how long would the game last without them? This would imply direct contact with one or more Jovians. We at CCP have calculated the risks of this, and the general consensus is that one Jovian would be sufficient to perform the day-to-day functions of CCP, as well as run a small country on the side. Excellent info, thanks for the time & explanation. Rob.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.06.10 22:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Milla Jovo I have a Question. During DT the website works just fine,, but if there is a crash the website goes down. Also during updates ( patches ) the website goes down. Why is the website so related to server crashes and or updates? the website should be on a different system. Or is this how they do it in Iceland? TO prevent threadnaughts
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.06.10 23:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Hariya So you can't do very good database normalization and design, and your architecture / products are barely coming to where the competitors have been for the last 10 years. Lol. Nice choice that, going for Windows + MS SQL server, and using summer trainees for most of the systems design And your qualifications for designing, running and judging without indepth study a DB for 50k+ concurrent users with a massive amount of I/O operations are?
Erinyes Nazgul	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:52:00 - [25] Downtime is when they feed the hamsters. Extended downtime? They are cleaning the cages.
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.06.11 01:39:00 - [26] its just a way to make sure all customers sleep at least 1h/day to prevent customers deaths --> lesser income
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.06.11 02:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Misanth on 11/06/2009 02:10:18 Originally by: Ms Delerium its just a way to make sure all customers sleep at least 1h/day to prevent customers deaths --> lesser income Usually I shower and powernap then. I wouldn't get those things done w/o the d/t. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.06.11 02:13:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP Mindstar We at CCP have calculated the risks of this, and the general consensus is that one Jovian would be sufficient to perform the day-to-day functions of CCP, as well as run a small country on the side. Aha! I knew CCP wasn't in Iceland just for the chicks and the drinks. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. The AB/OD Fix
Derus Grobb Selectus Pravus Lupus	Posted - 2009.06.11 10:06:00 - [29] Thanks for the reply, interesting to know what goes on. <3 cat xx ---
Dracoknight The Directorate	Posted - 2009.06.11 10:30:00 - [30] Wait....what? Cat with a serious post, and CCP actually answered it? does this mean the end of the world? ...i am scared :(



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