Long story short.

Suggestion:
Player who would attack other player in high sec (excluding tank testing in fleet) would be destroyed completely... meaning his ship and pod by Concord and also all his jump clones at stations. Only normal clone would be active.

High rank developers PLEASE contact me (If you care about EVE and players like you states in marketing communication videos, at fanfest....) so i can explain. Cause i expect that here will post only loosers that intend to continue pirate activity in high sec referring to it as SANDBOX and refer to me as ******.

thank you in advance
Best regards...

Suggestion:
Player who would attack other player in high sec (excluding tank testing in fleet) would be destroyed completely... meaning his ship and pod by Concord and also all his jump clones at stations. Only normal clone would be active.

High rank developers PLEASE contact me (If you care about EVE and players like you states in marketing communication videos, at fanfest....) so i can explain. Cause i expect that here will post only loosers that intend to continue pirate activity in high sec referring to it as SANDBOX and refer to me as ******.

Retribution should not be NPC driven, but player driven... That makes this a much better sandbox.

All ships cause loss of skill points when you lose it, not just T3 anymore. Remove that security blanket called clone insurance, it isn't needed anymore.

*munches some popcorn before continuing*

No seriously, CONCORD isn't causing you to lose SP. You would lose it everytime your ship was destroyed, be it a belt or mission, lowsec, highsec, null, pirate gatecamp, hulk or iteron5 loaded with goods. See...you shoot a ship...other dude loses SP...but if its in highsec...you lose it to CONCORD. Only thing is though...how much are you willing to lose before you back off and suddenly you start avoiding risk because suddenly you are losing something way more valuable. That is self-player driven

*muches some more popcorn*

But it would never happen, though it would be ******* awesome. OP was probably just trolling, but imagine how much harsher this version of EVE would be

Long story short.

WHAAAA!!!! I got shot by a ganker because I wasn't paying attention / didn't bother to tank my ship / any number of other reasons. I don't understand the concept of taking responsibility for my actions or learning from my actions and the actions of others and modifying my behaviour accordingly.

Therefore, EvE developers, it is your responsibility to hold my hand, stroke my hair and sing "soft kitty" to me whilst I try to sleep after my terrible ordeal. It is also your responsibility to completely change a game played perfectly well by some hundreds of thousands of people because I cry every time I get killed.

thank you in advance
Best regards...

PLEASE contact me.

lol at a draconian mechanic to punish something that is more or less supported by the DEVs themselves.


What makes you think you're a special enough of a snowflake to warrent a DEV's interest? DEVs don't reply here BECAUSE they want you to duke out with the rest of the playerbase to figure out the advantages, disadvantages, loopholes, and merits or your idea. If you can't come up with any other reason than "I don't like" or "I want" then your idea is basically DoA (Dead on Arrival).

1) I would like to ask whats the point of killing someone in the pod and in high sec?

I would like to point to the psychology and personal issues of that attacker. Can u give me psychological profile of that person?

2) If i get it right low sec, null sec is for PvP... No?
3) And then whats the point of PvP?
Please try to stay focused on that "psyche" or psychological side. What drives people to do such things? Thank you.

Whooooo hold your horses, easy on me i m just a noob...

Ok i see your point.
1) I would like to ask whats the point of killing someone in the pod and in high sec? (Had to modified... without any reason, no contact was made with the attacker... so revenge is out)

I would like to point to the psychology and personal issues of that attacker. Can you give me psychological profile of that person?

2) If i get it right low sec, null sec is for PvP... No?
3) And then whats the point of PvP? Obviously same as in Battlefield 3 or other games of that nature.
Please try to stay focused on that "psyche" or psychological side. What drives people to do such things? Thank you.

PS.: Explanation of High ranking CCP devs.
1. i must say the CCP support was very nice and kind. But still couldn't give me answers and they obviously are members of CCP but as i guess... with lower privileges. Here is answer i did received and when i contacted the support.
"Unfortunately there are no rules against destroying another player's capsule in EVE Online. If this is performed in High Security space the attacker will be punished by CONCORD and will have their ship destroyed. Customer Support will not be able to reimburse you for this loss as it occurred according to standard game mechanics."
We exchanged few messages and he or she directed me to this part of forum. Obviously you can see that now i m trying to do a little research so please i don't need to hear all those things about snowflakes. Maybe i m wrong and my hypothesis will turn out as false.

Cause i expect that here will post only loosers that intend to continue pirate activity in high sec referring to it as SANDBOX and refer to me as ******.

I would like to point to the psychology and personal issues of that attacker. Can you give me psychological profile of that person?

If i get it right low sec, null sec is for PvP... No?

Maybe i m wrong and my hypothesis will turn out as false.

while the OP's idea is terribad ...

... WiS mechanic where you can hunt down/kill a WT (or killright) pilot's medclone/jumpclone? Kind of like what was alluded to in Empyrean Age?

Way i see high sec is that its a farm where you can evolve before going to "duke it out" with someone in low sec. Its something EVE needs to make sure new players can survive and have a chance to get in combat later on against other people with higher skills and more knowledge.

Tippia i have to thank you for your input because u made me realize my request was not precise and there for correct. I did edit it so new people will see the actual request straight on.

In a post somewhere above is basically stated an idea (historically jew idea if i m not mistaken) Concord acts on idea AN EYE FOR AN EYE. You kill someone in high sec you get punished. But here is the trouble... If a guy goes to station get a cheap basic ship just to kill AFK pod (reason for AFK... lets say a family member had a hart-attack)...(back to attacker) gets downed by Concord gets back to his previous fancy 0,5 billion ship, hes rep is lowered only to 0,7 and he can work it up again by playing PVE missions => Concord is useless and even the idea of High sec. When it can not be guarantied niether the idea AN EYE FOR AN EYE.
Lets bring a money factor in shall we... this is why i wanted to talk with "High rank CCP"... support is not qualified i guess.

Still i m not off topic as you may think. Because there is direct link between human behavior in real world in virtual world - especially role playing games and mmos and previously mentioned money. Well at least that's what i m trying to find out.

To be honest I think adding too much to WiS would just bloat the client. Having a fully fledged and playable game within a game seems unlikely, and would likely just be a waste of Dev time to implement and maintain.

They should just focus on getting over the current performance issues with having multiple characters on screen at once, then introduce gambling dens and social "hubs". The gambling would likely draw in people in the trade hubs, and I'm sure social hubs might even be of some interest if they were kept bot-free.

Beyond that though, I really cannot see much of interest for WiS. Gambling is the only "mini-game" that I imagine would find much use.

To answer your questions:

1) To **** someone off / to get back at someone for insulting or offending them / to revel in their rage in local / because someone has paid them to / for kicks / because bored etc. Hopefully you get the idea. Its for many many reasons.

If you want high sec to be the place where you learn the game, well, you generally learn something when you get ganked. You learn something when you get podded, too.

Besides, there is at least one epic example of a guy getting tricked into killing a whole bunch of pods. The reason that the sort of game-rule solution you're advocating doesn't really work is that griefing uses psychological tactics. If there are lots and lots of tears to be had by getting someone to shoot a pod (as you propose), it will simply be a matter of time before someone is tricked into losing everything.

Please. Back to those persons that feel the urge to kill in high sec.
Don't try to figure out how to "delete row in mySQL database where it says jumpclones".

I liked Tchulens reply


But why? You see to pis someone off is just result of intended bad action. Right? Or? But why to harm random guy in a pod, that you can not even loot?
Imagine:
You are in high sec you cruise to pick up some things, or on a way to do an epic ark mission what ever. And you come across a floating pod (lets say its idle). What would you do?

And why high sec? Why people defend such actions? Didn't those people "get enough love in childhood"?

World of Warcraft ---->

Need sellable killrights!

Whooooo hold your horses, easy on me i m just a noob...

1) I would like to ask whats the point of killing someone in the pod and in high sec?

I would like to point to the psychology and personal issues of that attacker. Can you give me psychological profile of that person?

2) If i get it right low sec, null sec is for PvP... No?
3) And then whats the point of PvP? Obviously same as in Battlefield 3 or other games of that nature.
Please try to stay focused on that "psyche" or psychological side. What drives people to do such things? Thank you.

PS.: Explanation of High ranking CCP devs.
1. i must say the CCP support was very nice and kind. But still couldn't give me answers and they obviously are members of CCP but as i guess... with lower privileges. ... (snip)...
We exchanged few messages and he or she directed me to this part of forum. Obviously you can see that now i m trying to do a little research so please i don't need to hear all those things about snowflakes. Maybe i m wrong and my hypothesis will turn out as false.

Way i see high sec is that its a farm where you can evolve before going to "duke it out" with someone in low sec.

You kill someone in high sec you get punished. But here is the trouble... If a guy goes to station get a cheap basic ship just to kill AFK pod (reason for AFK... lets say a family member had a hart-attack)...(back to attacker) gets downed by Concord gets back to his previous fancy 0,5 billion ship, hes rep is lowered only to 0,7 and he can work it up again by playing PVE missions => Concord is useless and even the idea of High sec.

Because there is direct link between human behavior in real world in virtual world

Back to those persons that feel the urge to kill in high sec.

And why high sec? Why people defend such actions?

Tippia thats why reformulated the original proposal.

You said:
"No. CONCORD is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing and highsec is working exactly as intended: CONCORD is simply a mechanism to enforce the cost of aggression."

In fact.... its what i said... one on one situation, random people, no harm done before. If one decides to attack other he gets punished (I m saying price is not high enough considering possible loos). So why the F to kill a pod? Its like with friendly fire in other FPS games. You get much more fun when disabled. People just don't do it, neither intend to do it. (basicly what ShahFluffers was trying to explain)

Let me ask you guys... how often you start the EVE client to play and how long each session take? Are you able to make enough ISK to buy PLEX each month?

I m saying price is not high enough considering possible loos.

So why the F to kill a pod?

All ships cause loss of skill points when you lose it, not just T3 anymore. Remove that security blanket called clone insurance, it isn't needed anymore.

*munches some popcorn before continuing*

No seriously, CONCORD isn't causing you to lose SP. You would lose it everytime your ship was destroyed, be it a belt or mission, lowsec, highsec, null, pirate gatecamp, hulk or iteron5 loaded with goods. See...you shoot a ship...other dude loses SP...but if its in highsec...you lose it to CONCORD. Only thing is though...how much are you willing to lose before you back off and suddenly you start avoiding risk because suddenly you are losing something way more valuable. That is self-player driven

*muches some more popcorn*

But it would never happen, though it would be ******* awesome. OP was probably just trolling, but imagine how much harsher this version of EVE would be

I congratulated him on the kill, he expressed regret that my pod had to die too, and that was that.
It was quite impressive, I was scanned in jita, made it through the gate to perimeter, and was destroyed on the gate leading out of perimeter, which makes landing at the correct gate shortly before I arrived rather impressive/lucky.

In real life you wittiness your wife being killed in car accident, driver survived crash with telephone pool trying to avoid the accident, would go over to the car and finish him? Or you are in the bank and robber kills guard along with woman with a child, would you dive to dead guard, take his pistol and unload whole clip into that robber, reload the clip and just to be sure would you putt bullet in his head?
Cause this is what you do in eve finishing of a pod? So i don't understand. Its not self-defense its act of murder. Which i see perfectly fit for CONCORD to punish that action by... like i said leaving only his normal clone.
BTW i was traveling in a pod to pick up my ship.
Have you seen the movie Medium cool (really old movie but with good point that majority people miss)?

You know what would be awesome? If highsec carebears started asking CCP for better tools to protect themselves from criminals instead of constantly asking for a bigger, thicker, safety blanket.

Eve is not real, it's a game. Real world morals don't bleed through unless you let them. I don't pod people in highsec because of the sec status penalties and this is enough to stop a lot of people from doing so. Adding this mechanic wouldn't eliminate podkilling, it would just encourage people who want to kill pods to make alts specifically skilled to kill pods. Your best solution to not being podded in highsec is to travel around in a ship, not a pod.