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Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:30:00 - [1] First, to clarify some things. Seleene was the head of the Mercenary Coalition, and was the one who went to work for CCP. I am the owner of Eve Online Hold'Em, and have twice in the past been a member of EBANK's board. I also am not associated with Ricdic in any way other than having been on the EBANK board with him, and having had countless arguments about his hotheaded decisions as CEO over the years.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:34:00 - [2] Reserved.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:34:00 - [3] Reserved.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:49:00 - [4] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 18:48:55 You're all jerks for spamming after my reserved slots (which are now full of tl;dr text).
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:13:50 Originally by: Proton Power I agree if they would have posted it when I told them they should it would have been much differnt. Instead they left it to me. No, you left it to you. You made the decision that no one else could speak the truth and it had to be you. And then you proceeded to not tell what was going on clearly and fairly, but instead to present facts and pseudo-facts and random speculation all mixed together in a long series of posts. That's called milking drama for attention, which has nothing in common with the reasons whistle-blowing should happen. When I left EBANK it was my advice that the loan situation should be settled and an accouncement made as soon as possible. If I had been there for this Ricdic incident, then the proper thing to do would be basically what would have happened without your interventions: a notice on the website and in channel to stop depositing ISK ASAP, followed by a detailed statement within a couple of days after things were sorted out. As of now, no one knows what the damage is, or is even 100% sure what precisely happened. So no, you weren't forced into anything, nor did you do anyone a service. You simply acted out for yourself.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:09:27 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Proton Power I agree if they would have posted it when I told them they should it would have been much differnt. Instead they left it to me. Ahh the savior of MD. Jesus you sound so much like Ric sometimes. Is that 15 minutes up yet? Indeed, my original label of PP as a mini-Ricdic wasn't far off, since you do act just like him when he'd go off on an immature rant. If you come to any sense of decency, I propose apologies to your friends and refraining from prancing around these threads any more.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:21:00 - [7] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:21:34 Given that I'm in a similar position to you -- ex-EBANK and posting information about what is going on -- you will notice at no point have I mentioned being threatened, nor have I posted dozens of messages with teasers for more information nor stating speculation as fasts. There is absolutely no reason for doing what you are doing now, and anyone acting as you are SHOULD alarm others, since you're being irrational and not keeping anyone else's interests in mind. As for the "ISK to EBANK Ricdic thing, oh god the children" thing you seem to be clinging to in both threads now, the reason I noticed something was going on was because notices were pasted all over the place. EBANK website, multiple in-game channels, etc. It's also been established that very few people regularly read the forums, so is a forum crusade really going to save those people who don't have the foresight to double check before they send? Doubtful. So I really don't see why you feel so upset and/or betrayed. Obviously I have no idea what kind of conversations you had with EBANK staff, but from how you're acting now they were probably alarmed that you were going to spout off a bunch of nonsensical crap before they could tell everyone what was really going on (which is exactly what happened).
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Ray McCormack You cannot deny that an official post in here when it happened would have gone a long way to avoid the ****storm that has happened. I think that is the big issue. I agree. Immediate reaction has not been a common trait with EBANK, which is related to the participation issues I mentioned in my wall of text. Hexxx always does amaze me with his ability to post right when he's needed with the right thing to say though.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Proton Power Possibly, but considering Sel knew what was going on is my guess (This is a guess not fact) it puts him in a bad situation since he resigned and didnt mention that isk is being scammed. But I am the one that should appologize. I learned about this about the same time everyone else did, yesterday, after being contacted by ISD for an interview about EBANK and noticing the text on the main page about making no deposits. As previously mentioned, I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data, and real-life obligations. My parting advice was to make a statement about the loan loss ASAP before someone like you decided to play hero. As for apologizing, I'm not the one who made a log list of attention-whoring posts at other people's expense.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [10] Originally by: ******ed Noob I'm wondering if Iona and Ricdic was the same people? since she just got up one day and disappeared with out a trace and several million isk. just wondering. Ionia was definitely a different person.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:44:24 Quote: Maybe he wasn't RMT before, just redistributing wealth, but with no records he could scam little by little all he wanted (not saying that he did, but thanks to your lack of records as it seems by Selene's comentaries there is no way to check). I recommend implementing records, both public and private to improve transparency and confidence. Curiously I was thinking this days that the bank was safe investment as long as it kept growing, because if a scam was to happen it would happen when it reaches it's maximun. [/justify] Just to be clear on record-keeping, the kind of records that were most elusive were lists of specific non-liquid assets. Ricdic was terrible with this -- matching loan collateral with loans had to be done by using the corp contract history as there was no written record to keep track of it all. There are, of course, limitations on using the API to verify various assets, so the optimal scenario probably isn't possible with current mechanics. Still, record keeping could have been much better.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Proton Power I will defend Sel here some, and EBANK. Auditing EBANK would not be fun. Isk is spread out for good reason as it has proven in the past few days, but with this each person is doing there own thing making isk, investing isk, deposits, withdrawls, loans, collateral, payments, and the list goes on and on. I don't see how anyone could effectivly audit EBANK without spending a full days work on it 3 days a week. Proper automated audits via code are possible, but they take a lot of dev time. As we already know, lots of EBANK features have been in dev for 1+ years, so it wasn't exactly an option that could be pursued. Much to my annoyance.

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