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Seditch
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Posted - 2009.06.11 01:16:00 -
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I'm relatively new to the game, and I was hoping for a bit of help on deciding what ship to get next for mining. Currently I've got a Bantam, but where should I go from there?
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Wackie Chan
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Posted - 2009.06.11 04:28:00 -
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according to most mining guides I've seen they say to go with the Osprey and eqip T2 miners on it since it's the only cruiser with mining bonuses. After that you can go full blown mining by training all the ore skills to at least 3 and by training mining barges. |
Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.06.11 04:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Wackie Chan
... since it's the only Caldari cruiser with mining bonuses...
Slight fix there. The Scythe (Minmatar cruiser) has the same mining yield bonus the Osprey has, and both the Vexor and Arbitrator (Gallente and Amarr cruisers) get a bonus to mining yield of mining drones. The Osprey has better fitting than the Scythe, which is why Halada recommended it in his guide.
For someone who has a separate income source (like and established character making a mining alt) I would not bother. However, if you're going to use mining as your income source while you train up your mining skills, it would make sense to go from the Bantam to an Osprey for mining, and use the increased money you earn while mining in the Osprey to pay for your barge when you get it.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Wackie Chan
according to most mining guides I've seen they say to go with the Osprey and eqip T2 miners on it since it's the only cruiser with mining bonuses.
they must have been ****ty mining guides. the vexor has mining drone bonuses, the scythe has direct laser bonuses.
go streight for mining barges, dont waste your time with the mining cruiser. |
Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.06.11 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance
Originally by: Wackie Chan
according to most mining guides I've seen they say to go with the Osprey and eqip T2 miners on it since it's the only cruiser with mining bonuses.
they must have been ****ty mining guides. the vexor has mining drone bonuses, the scythe has direct laser bonuses.
go streight for mining barges, dont waste your time with the mining cruiser.
This is what I did as well... I just mined in my starting mining vessel and trained up to the Retriever. Im almost done training Mining V so I can fit the Strip Miner II's. Seemed like a good plan but take what I say with a grain of salt. Im still pretty noob :p |
Leather Jack
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Posted - 2009.06.11 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seditch
I'm relatively new to the game, and I was hoping for a bit of help on deciding what ship to get next for mining. Currently I've got a Bantam, but where should I go from there?
There are several topics about this, you should try www.eve-search.com
As stated already, get an Osprey.
Then get apropriate skills to lvl 4.
After that you can decide whether or not you wanna climb up to the lvl 5's, flying Covetors/Exhumers, or just take another route in your choice of profession.
Having caldari cruiser skill at lvl 4 isn't a waste even if you'll be an industrial character flying mining barges.
It's not much time invested "outside" what your skillplan would be.
A slight diversion also tends to make the game much more enjoyable aswell.
Perhaps you want to go run a few missions with friends, then a lvl 4 caldari cruiser skill comes in real handy (Assault Missile Caracal is nice for a budding missioneer).
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Deka Duenun
Lone Star Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:30:00 -
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Check this guide out, hope it helps :)
Halada's Mining Guide |
Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.11 18:42:00 -
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Considering 60% of minerals comes from loot, seems the best way to mine is with your missles and guns.
Pick Three:
Caldari/PVP/Solo/Success |
Seditch
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Posted - 2009.06.11 19:03:00 -
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Alright, thanks for all the replies, looks like an Osprey it is. |
Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 11/06/2009 20:56:03
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
Considering 60% of minerals comes from loot, seems the best way to mine is with your missles and guns.
ive said this till i was blue in the face. Miners seem to think mining isa good money making profession when in fact it ranks lowest on the list with one of the most intensive skill training to increase profit and it serves only 1 purpose.. money making( or saving).
I can make more money belt ratting. i can get more minerals from lowsec/0.0 belt rats than mining them. And training for combat allows you to do a multitude of professions.
However to answer the OP. Assuming you have sub exhumer skills in mining. the osprey is ALMOST on par with the retriever in mining. Properly fitted you can get about 75%-80% of the yield of a retriever.
For mining you should go bantam> osprey> retriever> hulk. Dont waste your isk on the ships inbetween. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.12 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
Considering 60% of minerals comes from loot, seems the best way to mine is with your missles and guns.
The actual number was 40% of minerals come from reprocessed items.
There was never any clarification as to what proportion of those reprocessed items were previously manufactured by players, what proportion was dropped by NPCs and never fitted to a player ship, and what proportion were Ravens or other items sold at below-mineral-cost which someone else bought up to reprocess for minerals.
I'll take the opportunity to mention mineral compression and suggest that a large proportion of reprocessed modules are actually being manufactured specifically for this function. |
Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 12/06/2009 01:54:27
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 12/06/2009 01:53:22
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 12/06/2009 01:52:27
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
Considering 60% of minerals comes from loot, seems the best way to mine is with your missles and guns.
The actual number was 40% of minerals come from reprocessed items.
There was never any clarification as to what proportion of those reprocessed items were previously manufactured by players, what proportion was dropped by NPCs and never fitted to a player ship, and what proportion were Ravens or other items sold at below-mineral-cost which someone else bought up to reprocess for minerals.
I'll take the opportunity to mention mineral compression and suggest that a large proportion of reprocessed modules are actually being manufactured specifically for this function.
Originally by: Seditch
I'm relatively new to the game, and I was hoping for a bit of help on deciding what ship to get next for mining. Currently I've got a Bantam, but where should I go from there?
As for the OP, my advice is to train straight for your race's destroyer, then the Retriever (get EVEMon out, follow the advised skill plan). Once you have the Retriever, set up a new skill plan to get you into a Hulk. Once you get into the Hulk, start training up the support skills, so you can use Modulated Strip Miner II and T1 mining crystals, Cargohold Optimization rigs, Mining Laser Upgrades, 'Highwall' implant, etc.
I would advise against using EVEMon to set up a training plan to get you into a Hulk ASAP, since it will advise you to train up all your learning skills first - which is time you could be in a Retriever mining up lots of ore to help pay for the Exhumers skill book and for the Hulk itself.
Oh, and Cybernetics 5 is what you should be aiming for immediately after you can start mining rocks in that shiny new Hulk. +5 implants for learning skills, Highwall 5% yield implant, Beancounter reprocessing implant, they're all very tasty.
One last thing - train to fly a Destroyer right now, and learn to farm level 1 and 2 missions for missions that are rich in asteroids close to the warp-in point. Do not go mining system belts in your mining barge, they are a waste of time and you are an easy target for suicide gankers.
Running missions will help build your standing with particular NPC corps, meaning you get charged less tax on your refining yields. Which of course means more profits.
Thank you... this was very helpful (from another noob) :) |
Qaedienne
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Posted - 2009.06.12 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
ive said this till i was blue in the face. Miners seem to think mining isa good money making profession when in fact it ranks lowest on the list with one of the most intensive skill training to increase profit and it serves only 1 purpose.. money making( or saving).
Miners know exactly how they fare in proportion to other careers, that's not why we do it. Now please get off the soap box. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.12 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
ive said this till i was blue in the face. Miners seem to think mining isa good money making profession when in fact it ranks lowest on the list with one of the most intensive skill training to increase profit and it serves only 1 purpose.. money making( or saving).
How much money are you going to make flying a CNR in level 4 missions after 55 days of training? With such low skills you'll have to use an abundance of tanking modules, meaning you do very little DPS.
What other flight-based money making system allow you to be AFK for 6-10 minutes at a time in relative safety? Even a CNR with FoF cruise missiles will require your attention every 3 minutes. You could try hauling for a living, but that's even lower income than mining unless you get really lucky (or you're a manufacturer, but then the profit is coming from manufacturing/marketing, not hauling).
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I can make more money belt ratting. i can get more minerals from lowsec/0.0 belt rats than mining them. And training for combat allows you to do a multitude of professions.
You can only make more money belt ratting if you head to places where anyone is free to shoot you on sight. Training for mining allows you to do a multitude of professions, unless you don't count trade, hauling, manufacture and invention "professions". Even if you're in a dead-end nullsec system with lucrative rats to chase, each system can only support one or maybe two ratters. With mining, the more people you have helping you the better it gets for everyone.
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However to answer the OP. Assuming you have sub exhumer skills in mining. the osprey is ALMOST on par with the retriever in mining. Properly fitted you can get about 75%-80% of the yield of a retriever.
With the same support skills, an Osprey using Miner IIs will out-mine a retriever using Strip Miner I. It's a pain in the arse to use though, since you fill up your hold every 20 seconds, and if you are boosted by a mining foreman with a mind link flying a command ship you'll over-fill your hold.
The Retriever has the advantage that the pilot can be fully skilled, implanted and gang-boosted and the retriever will still be functional as a mining ship.
Then you move to a Hulk and suddenly the Retriever looks like a toy.
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