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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:29:00 -
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Some people say that there are too many rich people in EVE, so rich that losing a battleship is a mere inconvinience. So those people get bored easily, since there's no challanage anymore.
How about.. bracketed property tax!
For example
0% tax for players with 10 mil or less in assets
2% weekly tax for those with 10-50 mil
5% weekly for 50-150
10% for 150-300 mil
15% for 300+
Money would be pulled by the faction government. Then that money would be spent on various faction projects.. space and station beautification, welfare programs for noobs, increased military spending.. other neat stuff
And people who contribute most, thru taxes, would become something like respectable citizens, perhaps allowing them to have a special paint job on their ships - optional. And a little medal on their char portrait.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:29:00 -
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Some people say that there are too many rich people in EVE, so rich that losing a battleship is a mere inconvinience. So those people get bored easily, since there's no challanage anymore.
How about.. bracketed property tax!
For example
0% tax for players with 10 mil or less in assets
2% weekly tax for those with 10-50 mil
5% weekly for 50-150
10% for 150-300 mil
15% for 300+
Money would be pulled by the faction government. Then that money would be spent on various faction projects.. space and station beautification, welfare programs for noobs, increased military spending.. other neat stuff
And people who contribute most, thru taxes, would become something like respectable citizens, perhaps allowing them to have a special paint job on their ships - optional. And a little medal on their char portrait.
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:32:00 -
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john doe with 1 billion in his wallet buys up minerals, ships and modules for his isk. now he's as poor as a noob and wont get taxed.
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:32:00 -
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john doe with 1 billion in his wallet buys up minerals, ships and modules for his isk. now he's as poor as a noob and wont get taxed.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:37:00 -
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I don't think so. Just implement corp tax and thats it... a global more universe taxation is not a good idea.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:37:00 -
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I don't think so. Just implement corp tax and thats it... a global more universe taxation is not a good idea.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 15/09/2004 20:45:55
How about the ability to put bountys on the head of people regardless of security standing? 'Cause taxes are so much fun & games.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 15/09/2004 20:45:55
How about the ability to put bountys on the head of people regardless of security standing? 'Cause taxes are so much fun & games.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:38:00 -
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ah no, property tax includes base value of all property
if someone runs out of cash.. they go negative, they will have to sell some assets before they can make any purchases
That'll keep you rich bastards on your toes
and us noobs have nothing to worry about
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:38:00 -
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ah no, property tax includes base value of all property
if someone runs out of cash.. they go negative, they will have to sell some assets before they can make any purchases
That'll keep you rich bastards on your toes
and us noobs have nothing to worry about
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Xtreem
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:40:00 -
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i am not usually the one to shoot things down without much info...
but.. OH MY GOD NO... for so many reasons i dont wish to go into
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Xtreem
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:40:00 -
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i am not usually the one to shoot things down without much info...
but.. OH MY GOD NO... for so many reasons i dont wish to go into
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:50:00 -
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First of all, it's quite possible that those who complain about the rich are not rich themselves.
Second, you take a rumor/opinion/broad statement such as "some people say that there are too many rich people in EVE" and then propose changes to the game based on that pure fiction.
Third of all, tax players? What about corporations? That's where most of the money is. You look at a corporation's wallet, you see 1 billion, and "OMG THEY RICH!!!!". No they're not. It costs money to support 200 members. It costs money to support your war, defend yourself, recruit newbies, etc.
Tax them? How would you make that fair? If a corp has accumulated 1 billion over the course of 1.5 years, that's about 2 million per day. Say they have 10 members, no more. That's 200k per person per day. OMG, exploit. Tax them!
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:50:00 -
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First of all, it's quite possible that those who complain about the rich are not rich themselves.
Second, you take a rumor/opinion/broad statement such as "some people say that there are too many rich people in EVE" and then propose changes to the game based on that pure fiction.
Third of all, tax players? What about corporations? That's where most of the money is. You look at a corporation's wallet, you see 1 billion, and "OMG THEY RICH!!!!". No they're not. It costs money to support 200 members. It costs money to support your war, defend yourself, recruit newbies, etc.
Tax them? How would you make that fair? If a corp has accumulated 1 billion over the course of 1.5 years, that's about 2 million per day. Say they have 10 members, no more. That's 200k per person per day. OMG, exploit. Tax them!
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:51:00 -
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If someone is rich they have put the in time required to get rich, why should they be punished for that?
Besides things balance out anyway, as more and more isk comes into the game, isk becomes devalued so buy and sell prices will go up, effectively turning gigantic piles of isk in to merely huge piles of isk. 
If such a daffy system of tax was implemented I for one would, as someone else pointed out, take all my isk and invest in it minerals to avoid the 15% tax. As many of us 'rich people' would do this you'd soon have a mineral shortage that would drive prices up, effectivly making us even richer!
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:51:00 -
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If someone is rich they have put the in time required to get rich, why should they be punished for that?
Besides things balance out anyway, as more and more isk comes into the game, isk becomes devalued so buy and sell prices will go up, effectively turning gigantic piles of isk in to merely huge piles of isk.
If such a daffy system of tax was implemented I for one would, as someone else pointed out, take all my isk and invest in it minerals to avoid the 15% tax. As many of us 'rich people' would do this you'd soon have a mineral shortage that would drive prices up, effectivly making us even richer!
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:55:00 -
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The rules are fair if they apply to everyone without exception. Your corp will have harder time, but your enemies will too.
The point of taxation system is to add challange to the game. It's a matter of taste, I guess, but it seems to be this game is very "soft" on challanges. That's not to say there are no challanges, just too many ways to avoid all challange. Too much emphasis on character skills, little emphasis on player skills - where's the fun? But it's a matter of personal taste.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:55:00 -
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The rules are fair if they apply to everyone without exception. Your corp will have harder time, but your enemies will too.
The point of taxation system is to add challange to the game. It's a matter of taste, I guess, but it seems to be this game is very "soft" on challanges. That's not to say there are no challanges, just too many ways to avoid all challange. Too much emphasis on character skills, little emphasis on player skills - where's the fun? But it's a matter of personal taste.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:58:00 -
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GlimmerMan - as I mentioned earlier, you can't dodge property tax by buying stuff. The game will take "base" value of all your assets, ships, modules, minerals, and make a tax from that. If you don't have enough cash you go in debt till you sell something
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 20:58:00 -
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GlimmerMan - as I mentioned earlier, you can't dodge property tax by buying stuff. The game will take "base" value of all your assets, ships, modules, minerals, and make a tax from that. If you don't have enough cash you go in debt till you sell something
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:02:00 -
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mwhahaha .. youve played for what, 3 weeks? and youre upset coz youre poor and some ppl have money? 
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:02:00 -
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mwhahaha .. youve played for what, 3 weeks? and youre upset coz youre poor and some ppl have money?
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 15/09/2004 21:14:07
ok, if all you rich fatcats hate this idea, I'm willing to accept generous donations to stop pushing this tax law!
oh.. by contributing to my campaign, I'll lobby for tax reduction laws for the richest 10% of EVE.
*me discovers the secret of politics and signs up as Republican*
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 15/09/2004 21:14:07
ok, if all you rich fatcats hate this idea, I'm willing to accept generous donations to stop pushing this tax law!
oh.. by contributing to my campaign, I'll lobby for tax reduction laws for the richest 10% of EVE.
*me discovers the secret of politics and signs up as Republican*
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Kildarin Farushna
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:09:00 -
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GO produce your own game if you dont like this game how it is
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>>>New Formula<<<
>>In your local 0.4 system soon<<
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Kildarin Farushna
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:09:00 -
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GO produce your own game if you dont like this game how it is
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>>In your local 0.4 system soon<<
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:11:00 -
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But you can't quote the "apply to everyone without exception" clause if you're proposing a tax system that specifically targets the rich, because that's not "everyone, without exception."
Second, yeah, the game may seem to lack "challenge", yet despite how easy it supposedly is, a good number of players avoid PvP and hide in empire space. CCP seems to be coding a lot of changes in Shiva designed to entice people out of there and into 0.0. Perhaps we need to wait with the challenge bit a little while, till everyone learns that combat isn't that big of a deal.
Third, you may want a little challenge now and then, but a tax system is challenge all the time, continuous, unending. Matter of personal opinion, but if you continuously have to work hard for little reward, it's no fun. As an example (and I don't wish to derail the thread so let's not switch to that topic), look at the recent complaints about the Agent Research system, where people do work a lot for no reward whatsoever.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:11:00 -
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But you can't quote the "apply to everyone without exception" clause if you're proposing a tax system that specifically targets the rich, because that's not "everyone, without exception."
Second, yeah, the game may seem to lack "challenge", yet despite how easy it supposedly is, a good number of players avoid PvP and hide in empire space. CCP seems to be coding a lot of changes in Shiva designed to entice people out of there and into 0.0. Perhaps we need to wait with the challenge bit a little while, till everyone learns that combat isn't that big of a deal.
Third, you may want a little challenge now and then, but a tax system is challenge all the time, continuous, unending. Matter of personal opinion, but if you continuously have to work hard for little reward, it's no fun. As an example (and I don't wish to derail the thread so let's not switch to that topic), look at the recent complaints about the Agent Research system, where people do work a lot for no reward whatsoever.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:21:00 -
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ah, it seems to be a common opinion that "if you want challange, go PvP!"
what about challange for people who don't like PvP?
send them to PvE?
Can't afford a bs? use a frig, they are pretty good nowadays, just need a few wingmen and you are set.
Right now the situation is - if you are poor, you make very little money. If you are rich - you can make millions per hour. The game is harder for newbies than it is for veteran players - fact. So what's the point of playing if the game just gets easier and easier? usually games get harder and harder as you progress!
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2004.09.15 21:21:00 -
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ah, it seems to be a common opinion that "if you want challange, go PvP!"
what about challange for people who don't like PvP?
send them to PvE?
Can't afford a bs? use a frig, they are pretty good nowadays, just need a few wingmen and you are set.
Right now the situation is - if you are poor, you make very little money. If you are rich - you can make millions per hour. The game is harder for newbies than it is for veteran players - fact. So what's the point of playing if the game just gets easier and easier? usually games get harder and harder as you progress!
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