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Busta Annages
Fear and Loathing Industries SQUEE.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 04:33:00 -
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Hello all,
Need some insight on a choice of weapon platforms. I will be skilled up for a Vindicator in about 4 days and was comparing it to my Navy version of the Megathon that I currently have. If with a choice which one would be better for PVP? PVE?
Any comments would be helpful.....Thanks! |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.05.16 04:52:00 -
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For PvP: Vindicator
For PvE: Probably the Mega
That said, in most PvE the NPCs are rather dim so I'm sure a Vindi would technically _work_ if you really wanted. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 07:04:00 -
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The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.05.16 07:08:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked. In PvE the navy Mega can hold a full load of sentries and smaller Drones, has farther targeting range and an extra low for a damage mod. That vs the Vindies 8 guns roughly equals out to the same damage.
For PvE the N Mega is a better boat for the cost put in with T2 Sentries. For PvP it's all Vindie all the time. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2012.05.16 07:16:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:[quote=Lunkwill Khashour]
For PvE the N Mega is a better boat for the cost put in with T2 Sentries. For PvP it's all Vindie all the time. This.
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Goran Konjich
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 07:36:00 -
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good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ? "a diplomat with 425mm briefcase II" |
Dato Koppla
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 07:39:00 -
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Yeah the huge cost difference would make me sway towards the N.Mega as well, less problems with targeting range too, easier to tank, less of a gank magnet etc.
HOWEVER if you want to go balls to wall, fully pimped Vindi will outdo a N.Mega because despite the T2 Sentry argument, T2 Sentries also can be used on the Vindi and you can carry 4 and still have the flight of 5 lights which is all you need as cruisers are no problems with your sick tracking bonus, javelins tracking bonus AND bonused web. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 09:32:00 -
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Goran Konjich wrote:good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?
Yes, they do.
It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too.
If it gets you, it hurts. A lot. |
Vandir Rael
Regnum-Irae Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 10:34:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Goran Konjich wrote:good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ? Yes, they do. It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too. If it gets you, it hurts. A lot. This.
The vindi is one of the most painful ships for docking games... It sure attracts gankers, but it will obliterate whoever engages without logis |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 10:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Lunkwill Khashour wrote:The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked. In PvE the navy Mega can hold a full load of sentries and smaller Drones, has farther targeting range and an extra low for a damage mod. That vs the Vindies 8 guns roughly equals out to the same damage. For PvE the N Mega is a better boat for the cost put in with T2 Sentries. For PvP it's all Vindie all the time.
Very much this.
Let me add this simple stuff people tend to forget: 1 more low = 1dmg mod applying to ALL the guns making your 7 guns actually hit for about 8, and this leaves you a high slot free for a heavy energy neutraliser or NOS.
Tank is about the same, resist profile about the same, overall ehp about the same, higher pg for NAVY better cap recharge for Vindi (this might as well have been changed, but difference must be small) Top speed agillity and mass are quite similar but the advantage goes to Vindi, however the Navy 175m3 drone bay offers you a lot more options on the field.
Vindi will keep his +1 gun and a smaller drone bay but compensates with an extra 12.5% guns dmg.
The question is: for about the same tank, with the small list above of main differences and if you're going to pvp, is the vindi really worth of an extra 500M isk?
For pve Navy Mega all the time, for pvp I'd only pick Vindi with a very solid group. It's only my opinion, quite sure some will tell you to pick the vindi all day long and to fit it with officer mods. |
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Wyte Ragnarok
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Posted - 2012.05.16 10:44:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Goran Konjich wrote:good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ? Yes, they do. It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too. If it gets you, it hurts. A lot.
Very much so indeed this. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 11:03:00 -
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Wyte Ragnarok wrote:Darius Brinn wrote:Goran Konjich wrote:good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ? Yes, they do. It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too. If it gets you, it hurts. A lot. Very much so indeed this.
I have to agree with this but remind you people that docking games and gate games ARE NOT Eve's pvp but the very smallest pvp form in Eve, and in what I'm concerned the stinkiest/dirtiest one because it's always a matter of targeting what you can one or two shot, everything else makes those pussies dock asap.
If it's op's game play style then yep go vindi. |
Busta Annages
Fear and Loathing Industries SQUEE.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:32:00 -
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Looks to me that either way I am going to be able to do some serious work in both. Didn't think about doing sentries though, I thought that would only be for a Domi. Long range or short range sentries? |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:22:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:[quote=Lunkwill Khashour]The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked. Let me add this simple stuff people tend to forget: 1 more low = 1dmg mod applying to ALL the guns making your 7 guns actually hit for about 8, and this leaves you a high slot free for a heavy energy neutraliser or NOS. Tank is about the same, resist profile about the same, overall ehp about the same, higher pg for NAVY better cap recharge for Vindi (this might as well have been changed, but difference must be small)
If you pimp your PVE tank down to 4 slots, you'll be running 3hs on the vindi and 4 on the nmega. That 4th hs is way worse than the extra turret the vindi gets. |
TomyLobo
Posthuman Society Enclave.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:32:00 -
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Vandir Rael wrote:Darius Brinn wrote:Goran Konjich wrote:good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ? Yes, they do. It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too. If it gets you, it hurts. A lot. This. The vindi is one of the most painful ships for docking games... It sure attracts gankers, but it will obliterate whoever engages without logis 100mn tengu says hello. |
Fireflyb1
Walden Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:47:00 -
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TomyLobo wrote:Vandir Rael wrote:Darius Brinn wrote:Goran Konjich wrote:good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ? Yes, they do. It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too. If it gets you, it hurts. A lot. This. The vindi is one of the most painful ships for docking games... It sure attracts gankers, but it will obliterate whoever engages without logis 100mn tengu says hello.
You use 100mn tengu for station games? And i'm sure if you fit a couple webs and mwd on a vindi, tengu wouldn't stand a chance, if it somehow stood a chance before. |
Kasutra
Tailor Company
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:54:00 -
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FWIW, I prefer the Vindi to the Mega in missions. More damage, less sentry reliance.
I usually fly with hobos + hammers, or warriors + berserkers on these. If the mission is one where you can sit on your ass and sentry-flak things out of the sky without hurting the completion time, Navy Potato does it better anyway. |
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Occupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2012.05.16 21:45:00 -
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If you can afford to lose the Vindy almost as soon as you take it out for PvP fly it. You will have rats out the ass looking to get that 1b hull on their KM. |
WhaleCommander
Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.05.17 02:02:00 -
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Even Frigates should beware of the vindicator with its 90% webs and high tracking and dps blasters, along with its drones.
I believe you can smack frigates with 2 90% webs with Large Blasters. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.17 12:53:00 -
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WhaleCommander wrote:Even Frigates should beware of the vindicator with its 90% webs and high tracking and dps blasters, along with its drones.
I believe you can smack frigates with 2 90% webs with Large Blasters.
Regular frigates 1 web, highest velocity ones 2 and "kaboum".
Actually an insta arty cane can do the same thing, for a lot cheaper. Frig shows, frig's dead, that simple. |
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:46:00 -
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Any idiot in this thread claiming NMega does similar dps because it can 'fit one more magstab' are fuckin terrible at fitting vindi's
Get both tbh, vindi should be triple magstabbed neutron blaster gank machine, if you've got links go with active reps. Your nmega should also be triple magstabbed, buffer fit with RR and neutrons
Not like nmega is expensive anyway There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Jta Grl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:02:00 -
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I have a Vindicator. Anyone saying the Navy Mega does about the same damage because of the extra low slot has no idea what he's talking about. Even with Gallente Battleship at level V the Navy Mega gets about 20% less DPS than the Vindicator. It's not even woth mentioning the extra sentry when comparing DPS as they do pitiful damage compared to the bonused railguns. I am fully skilled at drones and don't even bother deploying them most of the time. They take more than 30 seconds to do damage similar to one salvo from large hybrids (time more than enough to wreck a Battleship). Anyway, the only advantage the Navy Mega can possibly have is a better tank... due to the extra low slot. But as Im wrecking battlecruisers with 2 rail salvos (sometimes just 1) I don't even bother with that extra tank. If you follow the game logic the Vindicator should be the PVP one since its from a pirate faction, but as we often see in EVE perventing that logic can prove to be more rewarding. I would never take that billion hull to PVP (except maybe if you plan to just camp a station and dock if things get ugly) over the Navy Mega, wich is way cheaper and can fit a better tank. On the other hand I use it in PVE often since most situations are predictable and the risk of losing it much smaller. The only problem I see in using it for PVE is the targeting range... nothing a SEBO can't fix on the few ocasions when this gets in the way (most of the time I have a sensor strenght script on it to lock cruisers before my weapons cycle). |
Busta Annages
Fear and Loathing Industries SQUEE.
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Posted - 2012.05.17 19:15:00 -
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I have to agree with you on that. Been working fits and I can end up with a better PVP fit for my Mega and a real nice PVE fit for the Vindy. I see you prefer rails.....I added a couple of tracking extenders and got the range pus falloff to about 45km which is nice for blasters. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.17 19:37:00 -
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Jta Grl wrote:I have a Vindicator. Anyone saying the Navy Mega does about the same damage because of the extra low slot has no idea what he's talking about. Even with Gallente Battleship at level V the Navy Mega gets about 20% less DPS than the Vindicator. It's not even woth mentioning the extra sentry when comparing DPS as they do pitiful damage compared to the bonused railguns. I am fully skilled at drones and don't even bother deploying them most of the time. They take more than 30 seconds to do damage similar to one salvo from large hybrids (time more than enough to wreck a Battleship). Anyway, the only advantage the Navy Mega can possibly have is a better tank... due to the extra low slot. But as Im wrecking battlecruisers with 2 rail salvos (sometimes just 1) I don't even bother with that extra tank. If you follow the game logic the Vindicator should be the PVP one since its from a pirate faction, but as we often see in EVE perventing that logic can prove to be more rewarding. I would never take that billion hull to PVP (except maybe if you plan to just camp a station and dock if things get ugly) over the Navy Mega, wich is way cheaper and can fit a better tank. On the other hand I use it in PVE often since most situations are predictable and the risk of losing it much smaller. The only problem I see in using it for PVE is the targeting range... nothing a SEBO can't fix on the few ocasions when this gets in the way (most of the time I have a sensor strenght script on it to lock cruisers before my weapons cycle).
-12.5% raw dps numbers, this is not blahblah, it's a mathematics fact.
Now if you feel the need to write a wall of text painful to read and cannot understand some (like me) are not saying Navy Mega has better dps but offers better options for cheaper with similar dps then I guess reading comprehension took a hit. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3806
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Posted - 2012.05.17 19:39:00 -
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Busta Annages wrote:Hello all,
Need some insight on a choice of weapon platforms. I will be skilled up for a Vindicator in about 4 days and was comparing it to my Navy version of the Megathon that I currently have. If with a choice which one would be better for PVP? PVE?
Any comments would be helpful.....Thanks!
The Vindi is superior in every conceivable way. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Jta Grl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.17 19:46:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Jta Grl wrote:I have a Vindicator. Anyone saying the Navy Mega does about the same damage because of the extra low slot has no idea what he's talking about. Even with Gallente Battleship at level V the Navy Mega gets about 20% less DPS than the Vindicator. It's not even woth mentioning the extra sentry when comparing DPS as they do pitiful damage compared to the bonused railguns. I am fully skilled at drones and don't even bother deploying them most of the time. They take more than 30 seconds to do damage similar to one salvo from large hybrids (time more than enough to wreck a Battleship). Anyway, the only advantage the Navy Mega can possibly have is a better tank... due to the extra low slot. But as Im wrecking battlecruisers with 2 rail salvos (sometimes just 1) I don't even bother with that extra tank. If you follow the game logic the Vindicator should be the PVP one since its from a pirate faction, but as we often see in EVE perventing that logic can prove to be more rewarding. I would never take that billion hull to PVP (except maybe if you plan to just camp a station and dock if things get ugly) over the Navy Mega, wich is way cheaper and can fit a better tank. On the other hand I use it in PVE often since most situations are predictable and the risk of losing it much smaller. The only problem I see in using it for PVE is the targeting range... nothing a SEBO can't fix on the few ocasions when this gets in the way (most of the time I have a sensor strenght script on it to lock cruisers before my weapons cycle). -12.5% raw dps numbers, this is not blahblah, it's a mathematics fact. Now if you feel the need to write a wall of text painful to read and cannot understand some (like me) are not saying Navy Mega has better dps but offers better options for cheaper with similar dps then I guess reading comprehension took a hit.
Don't take it personally but I stand for what I just said. One extra low slot does nothing for a Navy Mega compared to a Vindicator fitted to hurt. Try 4 Federation Navy Mag Stabs and check that percentage again. You will see Its just blahblah. |
Jta Grl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.17 20:21:00 -
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Busta Annages wrote:I have to agree with you on that. Been working fits and I can end up with a better PVP fit for my Mega and a real nice PVE fit for the Vindy. I see you prefer rails.....I added a couple of tracking extenders and got the range pus falloff to about 45km which is nice for blasters.
45km is nice but I prefer rails as moving a battleship around can be tough sometimes. I will work on a blaster fit for it since the DPS is monstrous, something I centainly would like to try someday. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.18 02:22:00 -
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So - someone post me a NMega pvp fit. More than one would be appreciated. :) |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.05.18 02:30:00 -
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Hrett wrote:So - someone post me a NMega pvp fit. More than one would be appreciated. :)
Pick the vindi one ad a nos or neut, some more drones and an extra low to fit whatever. You'll not be that omgfckinpwnbalzlulz than vindi but you'll probably have more options. At the end since it's supposed to blow, and it will at some point, will just cost about half price less 12.5% EFT dps.
I'm sure someone will be happy to post his super pvp vindi fit. Me too would like to see that at work.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
147
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Posted - 2012.05.18 13:14:00 -
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Hrett wrote:So - someone post me a NMega pvp fit. More than one would be appreciated. :)
Mmmmh I have an assortment of nmega/vindi, exactly what do you plan to use it for?
nmega is nice for things like small RR gangs or as a bait cyno ship. It has some limited use as a neut ship, so that may be handy for solo stuff. It's very easy to cheapfit it, I'd go for faction plates/eanm, faction injector, cheap dead MWD or SS if you are super cheap. Should run you like 800mil, hull, fit and rigs.
Vindi is my preferred platform for ALL THE DEEPS IN THE WURLD! ie, the most funnest role in any small gang. In gank config it makes a good solo ship, and an excellent 'solo' ship. If you have links and the funds, I'd suggest getting a couple of these, one buffer fit, one dul rep fit (maybe even one fit for gatecamping). I really can't overstate the bbq factor of the vindi, the thing pumps like 2k+, tracks like a beast, and webs stuff dead. Stuff dies before you even realise what happens. This thing will instapop any drone, and drop fighters in 2, maybe 3 volleys.
Think about that for a sec, you will be taking out a fighter every 4-8 seconds. Therefore another way of expressing the vindi's dps is: 4mil ISK per second, or 240mil per minute, or 14.4bil per hour. That's like a nyx per hour Amazing
can you tell I'm stoned as ****? There should be a rather awesome pic here |
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