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Pirateworkshop	Posted - 2009.06.14 07:41:00 - [1] Unfortunately I had become a victim of this persons scam. To anyone unfortunate enough to meet this person please be extra cautious of items he trades you or even better avoid dealing with him at all. He seems to specialize in scamming using ships via the trade window.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.06.14 07:42:00 - [2] Says someone called Pirateworkshop. I think you worked shop on this story.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2009.06.14 07:42:00 - [3] :'(
Lexa Hellfury Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.14 07:45:00 - [4] Dian'h Might recently hired me to wardec a terrible griefer corp with my alt. Not only did he pay up in advance, showing a great deal of trust, but he even threw in a performance bonus which was not a part of the agreement. Dian'h Might is an honest business man and a gentlemen of the highest standards. I am personally offended that you would attack the character of such a shining beacon of hope within the Eve-Online Community.
Veina Jaspetine	Posted - 2009.06.14 07:51:00 - [5] As far as scammers go, I really don't mind this one at all. While it is what they do, it's in a way that I really could fault them no more than I could a used car salesman. Clever naming and trusting in peoples inability to read the fine lines, while a shady business practice, is still technically a legitimate one.
Pirateworkshop	Posted - 2009.06.14 07:59:00 - [6] It was of course my fault that I had become the victim of the scam. However that does not make scamming legitimate. A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. To let technicalities 'prove' otherwise would be foolish. At least where I live, if a car salesman says something and doesn't deliver on that, if it can be proven that the said statements constituted to you signing the contract, you can sue for deceptive conduct under the consumer protection act.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Pirateworkshop It was of course my fault that I had become the victim of the scam. However that does not make scamming legitimate. A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. To let technicalities 'prove' otherwise would be foolish. At least where I live, if a car salesman says something and doesn't deliver on that, if it can be proven that the said statements constituted to you signing the contract, you can sue for deceptive conduct under the consumer protection act. I will happy take your case before the small claims court in game. My base fee is 50M isk + court expenses. The base fee is refundable if we loose the case.
Pirateworkshop	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Pirateworkshop It was of course my fault that I had become the victim of the scam. However that does not make scamming legitimate. A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. To let technicalities 'prove' otherwise would be foolish. At least where I live, if a car salesman says something and doesn't deliver on that, if it can be proven that the said statements constituted to you signing the contract, you can sue for deceptive conduct under the consumer protection act. I will happy take your case before the small claims court in game. My base fee is 50M isk + court expenses. The base fee is refundable if we loose the case. Haha, I'm not so worried about the ISK as I am making known the scammer.
Lexa Hellfury Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Pirateworkshop It was of course my fault that I had become the victim of the scam. However that does not make scamming legitimate. A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. To let technicalities 'prove' otherwise would be foolish. At least where I live, if a car salesman says something and doesn't deliver on that, if it can be proven that the said statements constituted to you signing the contract, you can sue for deceptive conduct under the consumer protection act. In the end though, you've still come in here, to my house, and started throwing wild allegations around without any semblance of proof. If you want to make RL comparisons, I think the phrase "guilty until proven innocent" comes to mind. So far you have provided zero evidence at all, and yet you see to want us all to rally to your side to lynch mob a legitimate businessman. Dian'h runs a very successful business in the field of t2 ship production (t2 Gallente Frigates iirc), and tbh I see this as little more than an attempt to sabotage his business, possible for the purpose of blackmail. Provide some proof to back up your accusations, or please, take your fraudulent claims elsewhere. Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Pirateworkshop Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Pirateworkshop It was of course my fault that I had become the victim of the scam. However that does not make scamming legitimate. A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. To let technicalities 'prove' otherwise would be foolish. At least where I live, if a car salesman says something and doesn't deliver on that, if it can be proven that the said statements constituted to you signing the contract, you can sue for deceptive conduct under the consumer protection act. I will happy take your case before the small claims court in game. My base fee is 50M isk + court expenses. The base fee is refundable if we loose the case. Haha, I'm not so worried about the ISK as I am making known the scammer. Winning the case will prove Dian'h's guilt and vindicate you, rather than what you have now which is just basically an unproven accusation. While im not your lawyer yet I would also recommend not continuing to claim Dian'h is a scammer until the case is won or you may find a slander case being bought against you.

Pirateworkshop	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Lexa Hellfury Originally by: Pirateworkshop It was of course my fault that I had become the victim of the scam. However that does not make scamming legitimate. A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. To let technicalities 'prove' otherwise would be foolish. At least where I live, if a car salesman says something and doesn't deliver on that, if it can be proven that the said statements constituted to you signing the contract, you can sue for deceptive conduct under the consumer protection act. In the end though, you've still come in here, to my house, and started throwing wild allegations around without any semblance of proof. If you want to make RL comparisons, I think the phrase "guilty until proven innocent" comes to mind. So far you have provided zero evidence at all, and yet you see to want us all to rally to your side to lynch mob a legitimate businessman. Dian'h runs a very successful business in the field of t2 ship production (t2 Gallente Frigates iirc), and tbh I see this as little more than an attempt to sabotage his business, possible for the purpose of blackmail. Provide some proof to back up your accusations, or please, take your fraudulent claims elsewhere. The forums rules dictate that I not post conversations or evemails and so I shall not (how convenient you might think). Regardless, I have been scammed, I care not for your comments or opinions Lexa and so I shall not be replying to any of them as it will not resolve anything. To those that do read this, I urge caution when dealing with the culprit. To each their own.
Lexa Hellfury Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Pirateworkshop The forums rules dictate that I not post conversations or evemails and so I shall not (how convenient you might think). Regardless, I have been scammed, I care not for your comments or opinions Lexa and so I shall not be replying to any of them Of course you "don't care for my comments" because they expose a hole in your side of the story. So if somebody else asked you to provide proof will you ignore their posts as well because you "don't care for them"? Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Veina Jaspetine	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:35:00 - [13] The issue with that sort of case is having the entirety of the trade chat log saved and unedited. A copy of your wallet with properly corresponding times. The item link to what the accused was selling along with details and of course the court paperwork. Which has to be submitted in triplicate these days I hear. If those can be provided and verified, then I say you've got a fairly decent case. If not, you got the sthick end of a deal and have rather limited choices. Choice 1. Wardec, hunt them down, pod them until they have less then a million SP remaining, drain them down so far that they perma-rage quit the game. Choice 2. Minjas. Warning, these may kill you afterward.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.14 08:38:00 - [14] The only way this can be verified is through the use of your API key. You need to give someone trusted access to your API so we can verify what has happened.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2009.06.14 18:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Lana Torrin While im not your lawyer yet I would also recommend not continuing to claim Dian'h is a scammer until the case is won or you may find a slander case being bought against you. How much would it cost for you to do the slander case? And could you take it at the same time you take the scamming case or are they mutually exclusive?
Doomsday Monk	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:14:00 - [16] Accusations, accusations... Indeed, if you wish to prove any of this nonsense, I recommend proving it now. Or....you can simply shout 'SCAMMER!!!!!!11!1111!' every time he tries to make a legitimate trade. Trust me, the 2nd option makes you look like a fool. As for me, I stand by him 100%.
boernl	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:16:00 - [17] gisn is indeed a hpnest businessman and pirate dont cry if ur scam dsnt work out right scammers should be perm banned
boernl	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:19:00 - [18] sry type error its dian
Agarwaen Macil Caldari Est Deus In Nobis	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:23:00 - [19] Originally by: boernl sry type error its dian there is this really cool little feature on the forums, maybe you've heard of it, its called edit. Its a little button right there above each of your posts. Coincidentally, it is an outstanding tool for fixing errors in your posts.
Awesome Possum Insert Obscure Latin Name	Posted - 2009.06.16 05:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Pirateworkshop However that does not make scamming legitimate. WRONG! You lose! Good day, sir! WRONG! You lose! Good day, sir! WRONG! You lose! Good day, sir! The act of scamming in game is quite legitimate. Quote: A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. WRONG x 2. Morals and "right and wrong" are completely subjective. They are OPINIONS, they are not facts, instinct, nor 'natural' law. It is wrong to Hindu to harm cattle and eat beef. It is wrong to the Jew and Muslim to eat pork. It is wrong to the pacifist to commit ANY harm. It is wrong to myself to let people with an IQ below 90 live at all. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services

Neacail	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:40:00 - [21] Edited by: Neacail on 17/06/2009 13:50:32 Edited by: Neacail on 17/06/2009 13:43:50 Originally by: Awesome Possum It is wrong to Hindu to harm cattle and eat beef. It is wrong to the Jew and Muslim to eat pork. It is wrong to the pacifist to commit ANY harm. It is wrong to myself to let people with an IQ below 90 live at all. With the average IQ of the American population being 87 (last I checked), and my own country's 79 or something like that (190 million people), you have a lot to work on. Perhaps the honest businessman known as Dian'h Might can help you acquire some weapons of mass destruction? EDIT: Errr. I think America's 93 and my country's 87. Gotta check that again. Either way, an average of 93 means a very significant part of the population is below 90. Checked again and it seems the US stands at a 'respectable' 98 average. But I was right about my own country being at 87, and at least 2/3 of the world's population is well below 90.
Lexa Hellfury Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Awesome Possum It is wrong to myself to let people with an IQ below 90 live at all. Originally by: Neacail EDIT: Errr. I think America's 93 and my country's 87. Gotta check that again. Either way, an average of 93 means a very significant part of the population is below 90. I fail to see a problem here. Originally by: RedSplat The Forum moderation Software known as Mitnal became self aware. CCP had no choice but to shut it down.
Neacail	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Neacail on 17/06/2009 13:52:00 Originally by: Lexa Hellfury I fail to see a problem here. Me too. We need to do some cleaning.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.17 13:59:00 - [24] Are we talking about Americans being stupid or Scammers here? I was chatting to two American students recently, they thought they had invaded Iraq 'cause of 911' and didn't understand what 'all that crap' about Sunni-Shia sectarianism was. One of them was a social scientist, the other doing a History degree; Military i think. God bless ~~Americuh~~ EVE and its steady supply of idiots with ISK. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
War Kitten	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:03:00 - [25] Don't forget ThCEO and all his alts at 140 IQ each. He alone is probably responsible for inflating the average by 2 points.
Neacail	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:05:00 - [26] Originally by: RedSplat Are we talking about Americans being stupid or Scammers here? Both. The worst part is that college students in developed countries often represent some of the highest levels of 'intelligence' of the general population. Talk about the same subject with some average person, and they will probably give you an even worse answer, if that's even possible.
SwankNasTy The New Kids on the Block United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:23:00 - [27] Edited by: S**NasTy on 17/06/2009 14:23:26 I find the flames funny because Dian'h Might was just on crime and punishment gloating about doing the ship scam to some one else. But it's still the posters fault for not reading what kind of ship he was sending money for.
War Kitten	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:33:00 - [28] Originally by: S**NasTy Edited by: S**NasTy on 17/06/2009 14:23:26 I find the flames funny because Dian'h Might was just on crime and punishment gloating about doing the ship scam to some one else. But it's still the posters fault for not reading what kind of ship he was sending money for. Almost the definition of irony, eh? OP wants to warn other folks like him who never read C&P about scammers by posting in C&P.
SciFi Jon	Posted - 2009.06.17 14:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Pirateworkshop It was of course my fault that I had become the victim of the scam. However that does not make scamming legitimate. A basic human trait is knowing what is right and what is wrong. To let technicalities 'prove' otherwise would be foolish. At least where I live, if a car salesman says something and doesn't deliver on that, if it can be proven that the said statements constituted to you signing the contract, you can sue for deceptive conduct under the consumer protection act. Where you live can you also blow up peoples spaceships and pods with laser beams, or put an implant in your head that makes you run faster or be able to repair armor faster? If you got a problem with the Laws of the game take it up with CONCORD, they are the police.
Kerovan Gallente Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.06.17 15:13:00 - [30] Originally by: War Kitten Originally by: S**NasTy Edited by: S**NasTy on 17/06/2009 14:23:26 I find the flames funny because Dian'h Might was just on crime and punishment gloating about doing the ship scam to some one else. But it's still the posters fault for not reading what kind of ship he was sending money for. Almost the definition of irony, eh? OP wants to warn other folks like him who never read C&P about scammers by posting in C&P. So then the obvious answer is obvious.... Good scam Dian.. keep it up!



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