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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 13:44:00 -
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...and a realised something about Interdictors.
I knew there was something wrong with them and thought it was the price, but now I dont think it's that, I think the problem is;
Heavy Interdictors : Bubbles in null, Infinity point in low and high sec.
Interdictors : Bubbles in null, useless in low and high sec.
Ok one could argue to fly the sabre, being an expensive combat destroyer because it's the one destroyer that doesnt use those godawful rockets.
But they definetely need an angle for low and highsec, now I'm not saying give regular interdictors an infinity point as I would consider that unbalanced myself.
I was thinking more of a bonus at least to the regular warp scrambers/disruptors. Most likely being something like double range or +1 warp strength to warp disruptors/scramblers as a role bonus.
I'd just like a reason to bother training for them and the nullsed reason isn't enough for me as I think nullsec sucks.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 13:47:00 -
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Interdicters have their place tbh... |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.14 13:53:00 -
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null sec sucks, so do destroyers
coincidence, I think not |
Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Interdicters have their place tbh...
Yah.
I dislike that they're so skill intensive tho. Nullsec fleet: Battleship being the backbone, and somewhat the capital ships. HAC's (and Recons) have a usefulness depending on playstyle. All of this fairly sp heavy (if you're young).
In light of that, the most sensible ships for the younger sp pilots would be interceptors, suicide frigates and.. what's left in the regular backbone fleets are dictors.
I've got a couple of characters that can fly the dictors, love the ship to death, one of my absolute favourite. Just feeling I'm wasting my HAC/Battleship viable characters on something 'less good' when I park them in a dictor. Even tho I find it more fun, I'm feeling I'm 'wasting' my higher sp characters. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:05:00 -
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They are the only tech 2 ship in the game that has no role/point to it in lowsec and highsec and you are all happy with this?
I don't consider
"Meh, just use it an nullsec, that's it's place"
A very good argument, I could use that argument logic on practically anything.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:21:00 -
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Drop bubbles and run.
Also why have BS if we can have Dreads. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/06/2009 16:29:12
Originally by: Martin Mckenna Drop bubbles and run.
Also why have BS if we can have Dreads.
I'm going to assume you can read properly, so I shall now ask how you drop an interdiction bubble in lowsec or highsec? |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:48:00 -
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im guessing its the game code itself and server load, if they could make Dictor bubbles only effect those who you are at war with then you could allow them in high sec. |
Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:51:00 -
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How about a 99% Webifier like an infinity point. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 14/06/2009 16:52:50
Originally by: 5pinDizzy They are the only tech 2 ship in the game that has no role/point to it in lowsec and highsec and you are all happy with this?
I don't consider
"Meh, just use it an nullsec, that's it's place"
A very good argument, I could use that argument logic on practically anything.
Yes we are, because it is a Lynch-Pin role. It has its intended purpose, and it does so exceedingly well. There is nothing it could do in highsec/lowsec that would lead it to already be outperformed by another class; Another bonus to it would be useless. |
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/06/2009 16:58:42
Soooo... if we gave the interdictor it's own Dooms Day Device with a 1 second recharge it'd still be a useless bonus?
Darn.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/06/2009 16:57:37
Soooo... if we gave the interdictor it's own Dooms Day Device with a 1 second recharge it'd still be useless?
Darn.
Polaris frigate > Doomsday Device. My statement is still true ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:18:00 -
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Ok, while we're here we should also scrap the slot system and allow only certified fits to be used on ships, to make sure they're filling out a necessary role and not making use of useless things.
We should also scrap the infinity point scramblers on heavy interdictors as they are better at bubbling capitals in nullsec and besides, there is no infinity point warp stabiliser. |
Sir Muffoon
Backdoor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:22:00 -
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It's a 0.0 ship.
Why don't you understand this. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:42:00 -
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It can fly around in highsec and lowsec, why don't you understand that? |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy It can fly around in highsec and lowsec, why don't you understand that?
And an Ibis can fly around zero-zero, so it should obviously have some role specific for that area. |
Nocturnal Avenger
x13
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Interdictors : Bubbles in null, useless in low and high sec.
Sabre makes a damn good high-sec salvager :) |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: 5pinDizzy It can fly around in highsec and lowsec, why don't you understand that?
And an Ibis can fly around zero-zero, so it should obviously have some role specific for that area.
So your parody of my argument is to do the exact opposite of what I'm trying to say?
If anything what you just said reflects your own argument more as that would make it like the interdictor currently is.
Even bringing up something like Titans in lowsec would've been less weak then that attempt.
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Jamyl TashMurkon
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: 5pinDizzy It can fly around in highsec and lowsec, why don't you understand that?
And an Ibis can fly around zero-zero, so it should obviously have some role specific for that area.
Sniping ibis ftw |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: 5pinDizzy It can fly around in highsec and lowsec, why don't you understand that?
And an Ibis can fly around zero-zero, so it should obviously have some role specific for that area.
So your parody of my argument is to do the exact opposite of what I'm trying to say?
If anything what you just said reflects your own argument more as that would make it like the interdictor currently is.
Even bringing up something like Titans in lowsec would've been less weak then that attempt.
Actually i used that to show just how ridiculous your argument was by taking it to the extreme.
But fine; Blackops can enter highsec, lowsec and nullsec. But are useless in highsec, they should obviously be able to bridge people around and cyno in highsec. |
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Sir Muffoon
Backdoor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: 5pinDizzy It can fly around in highsec and lowsec, why don't you understand that?
And an Ibis can fly around zero-zero, so it should obviously have some role specific for that area.
So your parody of my argument is to do the exact opposite of what I'm trying to say?
If anything what you just said reflects your own argument more as that would make it like the interdictor currently is.
Even bringing up something like Titans in lowsec would've been less weak then that attempt.
Actually i used that to show just how ridiculous your argument was by taking it to the extreme.
But fine; Blackops can enter highsec, lowsec and nullsec. But are useless in highsec, they should obviously be able to bridge people around and cyno in highsec.
You know what else should be able to cyno around highsec? Titans.
I like where this thread is going. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Muffoon You know what else should be able to cyno around highsec? Titans.
I like where this thread is going.
They can, but only if you're an NPC |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
But fine; Blackops can enter highsec, lowsec and nullsec. But are useless in highsec, they should obviously be able to bridge people around and cyno in highsec.
Are you freaking kidding me?
Wait till a rich corp wardecs you.
Enjoy the mystery of how many sniper black ops battleships are camping you inside a station with their instant uncloak targeting.
One example of the on ship difference, a Widow also has DOUBLE the ecm jamming strength of a scorpion.
There is barely anything to seperate most of the 40 million isk odd interdictors over a 1 million isk tech 1 destroyer except planting bubbles.
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Aya
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.14 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Aya on 14/06/2009 18:12:34 Confirming the OP is ******ed and never left empire |
Milo Caman
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.06.14 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Interdictors : Bubbles in null, useless in low and high sec.
Sabre makes a damn good high-sec salvager :)
It's also full of hurt for any unfortunate frigates it bumps into in lowsec.
Out of Sinq |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.14 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/06/2009 18:21:00
Fine, dig in trolls, start spouting your one liners and ******edness, the crows are circling, the others have made it socially acceptable for you. Get in quick little dogs while you still look big and clever.
Will teach me not to start threads in GD, get's worse then CAAD on weekends at least.
Anyway, I'm done here.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.14 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/06/2009 18:07:12
Originally by: Blane Xero But fine; Blackops can enter highsec, lowsec and nullsec. But are useless in highsec, they should obviously be able to bridge people around and cyno in highsec.
Are you freaking kidding me?
Nope.
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Wait till a rich corp wardecs you.
They have tried; They got tremendously ****ed off trying to pin one guy down between numerous jumpclone locations in his cloaked ships.
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Enjoy the mystery of how many sniper black ops battleships are camping you inside a station with their instant uncloak targeting.
No mystery here. They cost between 6 to 8 times their battleship counterparts and against a gang of similar number of normal rr battleships, they put out laughable DPS and has terribad tanks. Also i heard you can cloak when locked c/d. [Protip, locking them with anonymous alts/friends ****es them off to no end. Lul]
Originally by: 5pinDizzy One example of the tech 2 ship difference, a Widow also has DOUBLE the ecm jamming strength of a scorpion.
Only double? God damn you folks have it easy.
Originally by: 5pinDizzy There is barely anything to seperate most of the 40 million isk odd interdictors over a 1 million isk tech 1 destroyer except planting bubbles.
Uhm. HELLO. If you say "Except planting bubbles" you are pretty much writing off the intended use of it as a ship. You might as well say Barges are useless except when fitting Strip Miners for crying out loud.
Ignoring the use of a ship as a basis to prove it needs buffed in other area's is not a good way to make a point. Interdictors are Niche because they are the ONLY SHIP capable of fulfilling the role it fills. Mobile warp disrupters and HIC's both have numerous downsides that Interdictors do not. Thats...Kinda..The whole point behind the ship class. Buy a clue and move to jail because your argument breaks the laws of stupidity, do not pass go, do not collect any IQ points and please do not continue to ignore the facts. |
Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.14 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 14/06/2009 18:47:23
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/06/2009 18:21:00
Fine, dig in trolls, start spouting your one liners and ******edness, the crows are circling, the others have made it socially acceptable for you. Get in quick little dogs while you still look big and clever.
Will teach me not to start threads in GD, get's worse then CAAD on weekends at least.
Anyway, I'm done here.
The problem you're facing here is that Interdictors is one of the best ships in the game. They're awsome, absolutely fabulous, kickass ships. Everyone FC worth his salt will love one, be it smaller scale interceptor roams or 1k+ fleets, they're always useful..
..in nullsec.
There's no need to give them something for high- and lowsec, since they're already so bloody damn awsome.
I still would love to see them get some love, there's issues with them. Neither which makes them bad, but the recent price increase on them makes it worse. I used to have a fleet of them, sold off my 100mil battleships for five disposable dictors instead. Now I'd get two dictors, and hardly that. (but well that price wouldn't be there, if the ship wasn't in demand). Oh, and BS give full insurance, dictors don't.
The main issue is still what I pointed out above, and it's a serious one. I think they're way too skill intensive, considering it is suicidal to fly them. The ship is huge for a frigate, easy to target. Their speed got a massive nerf with the nano change. 40mil+ plus fittings. Destroyer 5 (useless skill) and Propulsion Jamming 5 (good, but nothing that is a must have for a young char), not to mention the ceptor training you go for first.
But if there's anything they don't need, then it's a boost for high- and lowsec. The ship itself has a clear, defined role, in which they are bloody damn awsome and irreplaceable. A HIC can never fill the dictor role. And then we're talking price.. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Martin Mckenna
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.15 01:11:00 -
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Why play EVE when we can play WOW. |
Thea Arsoniztik
Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised
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Posted - 2009.06.15 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna Why play EVE when we can play WOW.
Exactly. Who wants my stuff? |
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