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Roguehalo	Posted - 2009.06.14 16:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Roguehalo on 14/06/2009 16:34:45 I quit Eve some time ago to go play WoW and now I've quit WoW to come back to Eve. Since I always delete everything when I leave a game(just said goodbye to an all epic geared lvl80 mage) I have to start from scratch every time I return to a game. This post is basically to ask for a 1b isk loan to get me started back in trading. There is 1 60 day bond on offer at a 10% interest rate per 30 days. In the event that more than 1 person is interested in taking the bond the interest rate payable will be decided by auction.... i.e. the lowest interest rate offered gets the bond The isk will be used to place buy orders and the goods thus acquired will be sold in situ thus negating any risk of losses through being blown up etc. During the lifetime of the bond I will ofc be intensively training the relevant trade skills. I will offer a full buyback at 30 days if so desired by the investor Hi to everybody who remembers me btw Edited to make interest rate clearer
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.06.14 16:40:00 - [2] Collateral? Audit? Who are you? Have you asked your old friends? You might want to read this
Roguehalo	Posted - 2009.06.14 16:48:00 - [3] Well.....since I've just restarted playing I obviously have no collateral. And also since I have just restarted an audit is pointless. Kazuo Ishiguro has, however, audited previous bonds of mine(and invested in them)
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.06.14 16:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Roguehalo Hi to everybody who remembers me How do we know you're the same person who gave six billion ISK to YouGotRipped? Obviously your name is the same, but anyone could have taken it after the previous Roguehalo was biomassed.
Roguehalo	Posted - 2009.06.14 16:53:00 - [5] I feel sure it was 12 billion....shame he scammed in the end
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.06.14 17:08:00 - [6] Edited by: ingenting on 14/06/2009 17:09:43 Originally by: ingenting Have you asked your old friends? Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Roguehalo Hi to everybody who remembers me How do we know you're the same person who gave six billion ISK to YouGotRipped? Obviously your name is the same, but anyone could have taken it after the previous Roguehalo was biomassed. Originally by: Roguehalo I feel sure it was 12 billion....shame he scammed in the end you didnt answer the questions _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:05:00 - [7] You¦ve played before. You¦ve traded before. So you¦ll know you can make a billion in a month from scratch. Do it. Prove your competence, then come asking for a loan. And an audit is always worthwhile, as I¦m sure you know.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.14 22:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 14/06/2009 22:37:28 Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 14/06/2009 22:36:04 So this is what'll happen to me when if I put forward a request for 2 bil ISK soon. Heh. Hi Rougehalo btw o/ Quote: And an audit is always worthwhile, as I¦m sure you know. It's actually a heap of rubbish, a trick to make you think you'll get your ISK back, or that it's somehow safer now. Personally I find it damn hilarious these days that people are asking for audit and collateral on pittance offers like these.
Stardust CEO Stardust Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.06.15 00:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Personally I find it damn hilarious these days that people are asking for audit and collateral on pittance offers like these. Yes, let's just throw billions of isk at every newbie who writes up a plan. Let's not make them jump through any of the hoops at all, why should we? Let's just give them the isk with no work or effort or preparation at all.
glas mir Reaction Scientific	Posted - 2009.06.15 01:46:00 - [10] the audit is important. It verifies what you say. I'd be much more willing to invest in a "main" toon then an alt with no skills. And I certainly wouldn't invest in a trade offer on a character that had not trade skills. Also suspicious transfers can be seen. Obviously on a new account, there is less to verify, which only magnifies the value of what can be verified.

Roguehalo	Posted - 2009.06.15 06:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Varo Jan You¦ve played before. You¦ve traded before. So you¦ll know you can make a billion in a month from scratch. Do it. Prove your competence, then come asking for a loan. And an audit is always worthwhile, as I¦m sure you know. I'm offering a very easy 200m here so I would expect anybody interested in earning that kind of isk to do at least a minimum of research about me before posting. I closed down both my previous bond offerings early because I was making so much isk that continuing them wasn't necessary. I did however pay investors the full interest on the bonds so nobody lost out by the early closure. The ONLY time I will come to this forum asking for funds is right now when I need them. I won't need any isk in a few weeks time so the 200m I'm offering now is a ONE TIME offer right at this very moment As for the loan itself.....I will need to make 25m per week profit or less than 4m a day to earn the interest to service the loan. That's like trading 1 raven per day. When Kazuo Ishiguro audited my 1st bond I think he found there were about 7000 journal entries during the previous month. I am an extremely hard working, experienced and competent trader........taking this loan will just save me some time is all
fugazii Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.15 06:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Stardust CEO Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Personally I find it damn hilarious these days that people are asking for audit and collateral on pittance offers like these. Yes, let's just throw billions of isk at every newbie who writes up a plan. Let's not make them jump through any of the hoops at all, why should we? Because even once all that is done there's still tons of scams? Maybe it's just me, but I would think if someones setting out to scam, they wouldn't set out to scam 1b. Though a verification of skills is worthwhile though.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.15 06:42:00 - [13] Quote: It's actually a heap of rubbish, a trick to make you think you'll get your ISK back, or that it's somehow safer now An audit weeds off 90% of the badly made scams. Quote: Personally I find it damn hilarious these days that people are asking for audit and collateral on pittance offers like these. I don't see you giving him this pittance, though.
Varo Jan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.15 07:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: Varo Jan You¦ve played before. You¦ve traded before. So you¦ll know you can make a billion in a month from scratch. Do it. Prove your competence, then come asking for a loan. And an audit is always worthwhile, as I¦m sure you know. I'm offering a very easy 200m here so I would expect anybody interested in earning that kind of isk to do at least a minimum of research about me before posting. Here¦s the thing. You biomassed your character, correct? So you may not be you, if you see what I mean. So research becomes impossible. But say you are who you claim to be. You really should understand the value of an audit, even under these limited circumstances. Thank you for answering me. How about answering the other people who posted before me? Quote: The ONLY time I will come to this forum asking for funds is right now when I need them. I won't need any isk in a few weeks time so the 200m I'm offering now is a ONE TIME offer right at this very moment Hmmm. Too much of a hard sell there. Quote: I am an extremely hard working, experienced and competent trader........taking this loan will just save me some time is all Taking you at face value, I¦d have thought you¦d actually enjoy getting back into the game after a long(?) absence, and take pride in doing it yourself from scratch. No, one billion isn¦t really worth scamming for, but it¦s almost not worth asking for either - and it is worth working for to prove to yourself you still have what it takes. Why the rush, a month is nothing?
Feryal Sky	Posted - 2009.06.15 08:17:00 - [15] Psst Rogue, the audit is meant to verify that you're the scammer that you say you are and not just another scammer. So please stall for time and meanwhile delete temp char you bought the GTC for your account with. Then submit to an audit.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.15 08:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 15/06/2009 08:23:59 Quote: Yes, let's just throw billions of isk at every newbie who writes up a plan. Let's not make them jump through any of the hoops at all, why should we? Let's just give them the isk with no work or effort or preparation at all. Well a fool and his money are soon parted. You can jump them through a few of the hoops, as most well-written business plans actually don't require people to be so secretive. And if 1 billion is going to break your back, then don't do it. The rigomorale that's required by people in MD for 1-2 billion is, as it stands, almost equal to the guy asking for 50 billion. No wonder the secondary market is dried to the bone. Just 2% return in one month (less than EBank's interest rates!) on that 50 billion would pay off any loss incurred from this investment failing. EBank staff are certainly doing their best to show that 250 billion scammed "Is only fairly minor damage and easily recovered". Scaling that down to this, I'd quite happily (and have done) thrown someone 10->50 million merely as help, and not expected a piece of it back. Surely common sense doesn't escape you to realise that? Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: It's actually a heap of rubbish, a trick to make you think you'll get your ISK back, or that it's somehow safer now An audit weeds off 90% of the badly made scams. Care to tell me how you come about that figure? And even if it was true, it's never stopped an investment from turning into a scam in my lifetime. Quote: Quote: Personally I find it damn hilarious these days that people are asking for audit and collateral on pittance offers like these. I don't see you giving him this pittance, though. Originally by: Kylar Renpurs So this is what'll happen to me when if I put forward a request for 2 bil ISK soon. Heh. Obviously I don't have 1 billion ISK to give. Plus I don't invest. Doesn't mean I won't let people invest in me though. tl;dr Biggest point I'm trying to make is people have their mind on auto-reply "Audit, collateral" with their reason being "it fixes stuffs". Mind numbing, predictable, and the perfect grounds to form a scam around tbh.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.15 08:53:00 - [17] Quote: Care to tell me how you come about that figure? And even if it was true, it's never stopped an investment from turning into a scam in my lifetime It's a pre-emptive measure. Noob scammers / noobs anything else will cobble a bond / IPO together and toss it on MD fast. For reasons escaping me, they immediately get some people investing in them (actually it's social engineering at work). The diligent investors instead will hard press the guy getting collateral & audit sorted. Since a request for public money rarely covers the full amount with collateral the audit is that thing where you check against the common scam pitfalls. A great majority of scammers / noobs gets to an halt the second they are asked for an audit. They don't know what it is (=> they don't deserve investors money) or they downright fiercely refuse with 1000 excuses. Now, while indeed an audit can only assess a snapshot of an investee at a given moment, it reveals enough information to have most unshaved scammers flee. This covers an huge population of many small names and small offers. Those who remain are professional scammers enough that would pass any "exam". They are FEW though, and they will manage to rake billions before being caught. So, you have a facility, auditing, allowing you to perform an 80% / 20% process on perspective investees (weeding off the bad offers) and then it's still able to investigate harder afterwards. Quote: Biggest point I'm trying to make is people have their mind on auto-reply "Audit, collateral" with their reason being "it fixes stuffs". Mind numbing, predictable, and the perfect grounds to form a scam around Your point is weak, because you dismiss an indeed imperfect solution with a no solution. I still take auditing over blind trust any day of the week.
Roguehalo	Posted - 2009.06.15 09:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Feryal Sky Psst Rogue, the audit is meant to verify that you're the scammer that you say you are and not just another scammer. So please stall for time and meanwhile delete temp char you bought the GTC for your account with. Then submit to an audit. I have to admit that this post completely baffles me. Thanks however for posting a link to my last bond offer although I'm not altogether sure why you have labelled it 'scammer'
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.06.15 09:42:00 - [19] Quote: It's a pre-emptive measure. It's an incorrect assumption. Show me the hard facts to show you're right, otherwise your just doublespeaking just like the scammers out there. Quote: Your point is weak, because you dismiss an indeed imperfect solution with a no solution. I still take auditing over blind trust any day of the week. Audit is no solution, and who said I was favoring blind trust? There's some pretty clear indicators out there that someone is a sound investment, though it's not my problem a majority of people proposing businesses choose not to demonstrate those indicators. I'm not saying that the investments that've been offered out there should've been invested in, I'm saying they were dismissed for the wrong reasons, most notably lack of audit and collateral, and it's going to bite you on the ass thanks to it's predictability.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.15 16:53:00 - [20] After speaking to Roguehalo I am financing entire bond of 1B at: 1B at 12.5% interest per month Interest payable twice monthly Capital to be re-paid on August 15th

Roguehalo	Posted - 2009.06.15 16:56:00 - [21] Posting to confirm that Cosmoray has financed the bond on the terms he set out in his post. My thanks to Cosmoray.....and now I gotta get busy making isk
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.15 17:03:00 - [22] Quote: It's an incorrect assumption. Show me the hard facts to show you're right, otherwise your just doublespeaking just like the scammers out there. I don't need to show you anything. Get an audit done or GTFO by the investors, does not look so hard to get. Quote: Audit is no solution, and who said I was favoring blind trust? There's some pretty clear indicators out there that someone is a sound investment, though it's not my problem a majority of people proposing businesses choose not to demonstrate those indicators. Auditing is exactly what's needed for "a majority of people proposing businesses choose not to demonstrate those indicators". It helps convincing them spitting out the indicators. Demonstrating them is another matter, and it's left for the advisor or the individual investors. Finally "though it's not my problem a majority of people proposing businesses choose not to demonstrate those indicators" does not invalidate the whole process. Maybe not for you but for many others it's their problem.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.15 17:09:00 - [23] Originally by: cosmoray After speaking to Roguehalo I am financing entire bond of 1B at: 1B at 12.5% interest per month Interest payable twice monthly Capital to be re-paid on August 15th Please tell me you got some form of collateral for that one, if even 30% of it.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.15 18:22:00 - [24] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 15/06/2009 18:25:09 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: cosmoray After speaking to Roguehalo I am financing entire bond of 1B at: 1B at 12.5% interest per month Interest payable twice monthly Capital to be re-paid on August 15th Please tell me you got some form of collateral for that one, if even 30% of it. Roguehalo is an ace card, just like I was, he won't scam right away.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.16 07:01:00 - [25] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 16/06/2009 07:04:23 Still waiting for Riethe to pass the API key to either Cosmo or Kazzac. Black Sun Empire
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2009.06.30 05:29:00 - [26] Posting to report that the 1st interest payment of 62,500,000 has been made to Cosmoray as per our agreement cheers Roguehalo
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.30 09:56:00 - [27] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/06/2009 09:56:25 I will post a compelling demonstration as to who this guy really is, sometime today. Patience. Black Sun Empire
Dzil Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:29:00 - [28] Compelling, eh? Will it include a visual aid like the sliding scam scale? ---------------------- Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings ----------------------
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:49:00 - [29] payment received
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.30 13:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Dzil Compelling, eh? Will it include a visual aid like the sliding scam scale? Yes. Black Sun Empire



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