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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.16 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sofitia Mourtos on 24/09/2004 22:51:26
Zanjitsu bonds.
Zanjitsu is issuing 20 bonds each of 250 million isk with a 10% monthly interest rate, if you are interested in obtaining one of these you can contact me Sofitia Mourtos in game for further information.
Background:
Zanjitsu has been around since a few weeks after launch, and have always been an industrial corporation, at the same time we have often offered different financing options for our products (get the item now - pay later / in installments etc) and have build a nice bit of trust based on that.
It is this trust that makes us confident that we can actually make this work.
We have been very active in tech2 production/sales ever since the first blueprint original(s) were released, and out latest acquisition is the Caldari assault ship "Harpy" blueprint original.
However a lot of tech 2 blueprint original(s) are being released these days and this requires massive investments - therefore we need additional "foreign" capital to enhance our growth within the tech 2 market.
Concept:
We have 20 bonds for sale each costs 250 mllion isk. In return you will get a 10% interest payout each month and naturally the bond can always be traded back(with due warning time) to Zanjitsu for the original 250 million isk.
Payouts:
At the start of each month 10% of the 250misk will be paid as interest on the bond.
This means that if you have bought 1x 250misk bond you will receive 25 million isk from Zanjitsu at the start of each month.
As the issue date will most likely be in the middle of the month the first payout will only be at 5%.
To sum that up with an example:
18/9 - you buy the bond.
1/10 - you receive 5% (12.5 million isk) as interest.
1/11 - you receive 10% (25 million isk) as interest.
1/12 - you receive 10%....
etc.
As an extra benefit all bond-owners will get better price/priority (depending on product) for our tech2 products for personal use.
Cancellations:
The bond can always be traded back to Zanjitsu however we need warning time (to free some isks).
ôBuy-backs" will be performed on the first of each month, and you must provide Zanjitsu with at least 1-month notice.
Here is an example:
19/11 - you deside that you want to sell the bond back to Zanjitsu.
1/12 - you recive your usual 10% (25misk).
1/1 - your bond is bourght back at 250misk - and the 10% for the last month is payed -> you get 275misk.
Zanjtisu may at any time chose to buy back the bond with 1-month warning in the same way as if an investor chose to sell back their bond.
Security:
Some obvious questions are:
- What security do I have that you will pay me each month?
- What security do I have that you will buy back my bond?
Naturally this is where the before mentioned trust comes into play. You basically have no "security" you do have some indications:
- Zanjitsu is generating a lot of profit these days, one example is the Harpy sales in which there is a very long waiting list for units sold at 40misk, and this is only one item, this is no security but it is an indication that we are _more_ than able to raise the 500misk required to pay in interest each month.
- Zanjtisu has been around a long time, we sell products if we start *scamming* our customers we will lose a LOT of creditability which will hurt us much more than what we will gain. (At least that is our evaluation on it)
- Zanjtisu currently has quite a bit of assets, which should indicate that we would be able to liquidate those (if needet) in order to buy back the bonds.
(More detailed financial information available on request)
Again all this shows is that we are able to pay the interest and that we are able to buy back the bonds. It gives you no security that we actually will - for that you only have our word.
Target group:
This offer is target towards rich individuals who have 1+ billion isk in their wallet but do not have time/interest in doing there own "investments" in Eve - this is an easy 10% interest without any work.
This is not directly targeted towards corporations since we expect that corporations will be able to perform there own investments, naturally we welcome any investments - just keep this in mind when you start flaming.
*SCAM WARNING*
I might as well say this myself - and I'm sure lots other will repeat it in posts to follow.
THIS SMELLS LIKE SCAM - CAN YOU REMEMBER MORBOR!!
This very much sounds like a scam, and I cannot prove that it is not I can only give you my word - to some that will be enough based on the trade history with those people and for others it will not...
Do not invest in this unless you are absolutely clear about this is 100% trust based - I'm not aware of any game mechanics that can be used as security. (There is colatteral - but we need our assets to generate profit).
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.16 18:59:00 -
[2]
Edited by: Sofitia Mourtos on 24/09/2004 22:51:26
Zanjitsu bonds.
Zanjitsu is issuing 20 bonds each of 250 million isk with a 10% monthly interest rate, if you are interested in obtaining one of these you can contact me Sofitia Mourtos in game for further information.
Background:
Zanjitsu has been around since a few weeks after launch, and have always been an industrial corporation, at the same time we have often offered different financing options for our products (get the item now - pay later / in installments etc) and have build a nice bit of trust based on that.
It is this trust that makes us confident that we can actually make this work.
We have been very active in tech2 production/sales ever since the first blueprint original(s) were released, and out latest acquisition is the Caldari assault ship "Harpy" blueprint original.
However a lot of tech 2 blueprint original(s) are being released these days and this requires massive investments - therefore we need additional "foreign" capital to enhance our growth within the tech 2 market.
Concept:
We have 20 bonds for sale each costs 250 mllion isk. In return you will get a 10% interest payout each month and naturally the bond can always be traded back(with due warning time) to Zanjitsu for the original 250 million isk.
Payouts:
At the start of each month 10% of the 250misk will be paid as interest on the bond.
This means that if you have bought 1x 250misk bond you will receive 25 million isk from Zanjitsu at the start of each month.
As the issue date will most likely be in the middle of the month the first payout will only be at 5%.
To sum that up with an example:
18/9 - you buy the bond.
1/10 - you receive 5% (12.5 million isk) as interest.
1/11 - you receive 10% (25 million isk) as interest.
1/12 - you receive 10%....
etc.
As an extra benefit all bond-owners will get better price/priority (depending on product) for our tech2 products for personal use.
Cancellations:
The bond can always be traded back to Zanjitsu however we need warning time (to free some isks).
ôBuy-backs" will be performed on the first of each month, and you must provide Zanjitsu with at least 1-month notice.
Here is an example:
19/11 - you deside that you want to sell the bond back to Zanjitsu.
1/12 - you recive your usual 10% (25misk).
1/1 - your bond is bourght back at 250misk - and the 10% for the last month is payed -> you get 275misk.
Zanjtisu may at any time chose to buy back the bond with 1-month warning in the same way as if an investor chose to sell back their bond.
Security:
Some obvious questions are:
- What security do I have that you will pay me each month?
- What security do I have that you will buy back my bond?
Naturally this is where the before mentioned trust comes into play. You basically have no "security" you do have some indications:
- Zanjitsu is generating a lot of profit these days, one example is the Harpy sales in which there is a very long waiting list for units sold at 40misk, and this is only one item, this is no security but it is an indication that we are _more_ than able to raise the 500misk required to pay in interest each month.
- Zanjtisu has been around a long time, we sell products if we start *scamming* our customers we will lose a LOT of creditability which will hurt us much more than what we will gain. (At least that is our evaluation on it)
- Zanjtisu currently has quite a bit of assets, which should indicate that we would be able to liquidate those (if needet) in order to buy back the bonds.
(More detailed financial information available on request)
Again all this shows is that we are able to pay the interest and that we are able to buy back the bonds. It gives you no security that we actually will - for that you only have our word.
Target group:
This offer is target towards rich individuals who have 1+ billion isk in their wallet but do not have time/interest in doing there own "investments" in Eve - this is an easy 10% interest without any work.
This is not directly targeted towards corporations since we expect that corporations will be able to perform there own investments, naturally we welcome any investments - just keep this in mind when you start flaming.
*SCAM WARNING*
I might as well say this myself - and I'm sure lots other will repeat it in posts to follow.
THIS SMELLS LIKE SCAM - CAN YOU REMEMBER MORBOR!!
This very much sounds like a scam, and I cannot prove that it is not I can only give you my word - to some that will be enough based on the trade history with those people and for others it will not...
Do not invest in this unless you are absolutely clear about this is 100% trust based - I'm not aware of any game mechanics that can be used as security. (There is colatteral - but we need our assets to generate profit).
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Namarus
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:21:00 -
[3]
Friendly bump.
I've done business with this corp for a long time, and they are trustworthy.
Nothing to see here .... move along. |
Namarus
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:21:00 -
[4]
Friendly bump.
I've done business with this corp for a long time, and they are trustworthy.
Nothing to see here .... move along. |
Brainman
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:30:00 -
[5]
Is there a shares transfer involved as well when you issue a bond ?
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Brainman
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:30:00 -
[6]
Is there a shares transfer involved as well when you issue a bond ?
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:42:00 -
[7]
Now let me see if I understand this - you know I just happen to be a bit slow...
You're asking people to loan you money without any security whatsoever, without any guarantee for the advertised return on their investment and with abo****ely no way to recover the investment should these funds in some way happen to be misappropriated - so that they can give you even more money shopping for tech 2 from...you.
That is the concept, isn't t?
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.17 14:42:00 -
[8]
Now let me see if I understand this - you know I just happen to be a bit slow...
You're asking people to loan you money without any security whatsoever, without any guarantee for the advertised return on their investment and with abo****ely no way to recover the investment should these funds in some way happen to be misappropriated - so that they can give you even more money shopping for tech 2 from...you.
That is the concept, isn't t?
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.17 17:13:00 -
[9]
4 bonds have been sold so far.
I really dont expect any "new" contact to come in though this deal, and I'm doing this publicly mostly to make ppl aware that I do these kind of deals.
 Originally by: Brainman
Is there a shares transfer involved as well when you issue a bond ?
No - another way of putting it is to say I want a loan ;-)
and JP Beauregard I'm not going to comment on your post since your obvious just here to troll...
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.17 17:13:00 -
[10]
4 bonds have been sold so far.
I really dont expect any "new" contact to come in though this deal, and I'm doing this publicly mostly to make ppl aware that I do these kind of deals.
Originally by: Brainman
Is there a shares transfer involved as well when you issue a bond ?
No - another way of putting it is to say I want a loan ;-)
and JP Beauregard I'm not going to comment on your post since your obvious just here to troll...
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.17 18:02:00 -
[11]
It does indeeed speak volumes about your business ethics to accuse anyone who questions your practices of slander.
Maybe in style but certain not in vogue.
One hell of a way to build trust...
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.17 18:02:00 -
[12]
It does indeeed speak volumes about your business ethics to accuse anyone who questions your practices of slander.
Maybe in style but certain not in vogue.
One hell of a way to build trust...
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.09.18 00:43:00 -
[13]
Originally by: JP Beauregard
It does indeeed speak volumes about your business ethics to accuse anyone who questions your practices of slander.
Maybe in style but certain not in vogue.
One hell of a way to build trust...
If you do not trust her, what exactly is your problem? The solution is quite obvious, do not invest your money in this deal.
Surely this person has people that know her and who has worked with her, and apparently this post was for them to see that she needs additional money influx to invest in tech 2 blueprints and components.
I mean, really, nobody is forcing you to do this. Surely people are aware of the trust issue here and I don't think stating the obvious is very appreciated :)
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.09.18 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
It does indeeed speak volumes about your business ethics to accuse anyone who questions your practices of slander.
Maybe in style but certain not in vogue.
One hell of a way to build trust...
If you do not trust her, what exactly is your problem? The solution is quite obvious, do not invest your money in this deal.
Surely this person has people that know her and who has worked with her, and apparently this post was for them to see that she needs additional money influx to invest in tech 2 blueprints and components.
I mean, really, nobody is forcing you to do this. Surely people are aware of the trust issue here and I don't think stating the obvious is very appreciated :)
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:18:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Shamad Conde
I don't think stating the obvious is very appreciated :)
Since you only address about half of the issues I brought up, I hesitate to agree that I only restated the obvious.
Quite obviously, some still don't have clue.
Good luck to Zanjitus in their quest to impoverish even the last fool in the galaxy. I am confident that they will be spectacularly successful based on the supply of suitable targets alone. |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:18:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Shamad Conde
I don't think stating the obvious is very appreciated :)
Since you only address about half of the issues I brought up, I hesitate to agree that I only restated the obvious.
Quite obviously, some still don't have clue.
Good luck to Zanjitus in their quest to impoverish even the last fool in the galaxy. I am confident that they will be spectacularly successful based on the supply of suitable targets alone. |
Rinekar
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:57:00 -
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I have done business with Zanjitsu since after the game went live. Zanjitsu is a trustworthy corp and I would recomend them to anyone.
As for individuals that have expressed the issue of security, I can assure you that this deal is above the board and will bear fruit.
I wish Zanjitsu luck and congrats Sofitia for a good idea...
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Rinekar
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:57:00 -
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I have done business with Zanjitsu since after the game went live. Zanjitsu is a trustworthy corp and I would recomend them to anyone.
As for individuals that have expressed the issue of security, I can assure you that this deal is above the board and will bear fruit.
I wish Zanjitsu luck and congrats Sofitia for a good idea...
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.09.18 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
Now let me see if I understand this - you know I just happen to be a bit slow...
You're asking people to loan you money without any security whatsoever, without any guarantee for the advertised return on their investment and with abo****ely no way to recover the investment should these funds in some way happen to be misappropriated - so that they can give you even more money shopping for tech 2 from...you.
That is the concept, isn't t?
I've done some business with sofitia and I've heard quite a lot about her.
It seems that she's one of the few persons that can be trusted in such a scheme.
If you check a bit down the forums you'll see that someone sold to sofitia a bpo for some bil and he forgot to place the ISK value on it. She claimed the escrow and wired him the money....
I believe that one speaks for itself 
Good luck there sofitia, unfortunatelly I need every single ISK I can lay my hands on atm.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.09.18 06:03:00 -
[20]
Originally by: JP Beauregard
Now let me see if I understand this - you know I just happen to be a bit slow...
You're asking people to loan you money without any security whatsoever, without any guarantee for the advertised return on their investment and with abo****ely no way to recover the investment should these funds in some way happen to be misappropriated - so that they can give you even more money shopping for tech 2 from...you.
That is the concept, isn't t?
I've done some business with sofitia and I've heard quite a lot about her.
It seems that she's one of the few persons that can be trusted in such a scheme.
If you check a bit down the forums you'll see that someone sold to sofitia a bpo for some bil and he forgot to place the ISK value on it. She claimed the escrow and wired him the money....
I believe that one speaks for itself
Good luck there sofitia, unfortunatelly I need every single ISK I can lay my hands on atm.
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.09.18 15:57:00 -
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I just bought 3 bonds. I know Sofitia from way back. Zanjutsu was the second corp I was in.
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Claus
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Posted - 2004.09.18 15:57:00 -
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I just bought 3 bonds. I know Sofitia from way back. Zanjutsu was the second corp I was in.
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.09.18 16:02:00 -
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IŠve been member of zanjitsu once back in the start of the game and I know sofi irl.. and I can say that zanjitsu is very trustworthy, they are good investers and VERY good money makers. so if anything will go worng about this I can asure you that you will get your money back
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.09.18 16:02:00 -
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IŠve been member of zanjitsu once back in the start of the game and I know sofi irl.. and I can say that zanjitsu is very trustworthy, they are good investers and VERY good money makers. so if anything will go worng about this I can asure you that you will get your money back
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1FSTCAT
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:18:00 -
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ahh well they said the same about The Big blueprint deal
good luck
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1FSTCAT
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Posted - 2004.09.18 19:18:00 -
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ahh well they said the same about The Big blueprint deal
good luck
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.20 13:11:00 -
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I must say I'm a bit impressed by the intrest/confidence people have shown us/me with this deal.
So far 10 bonds have been sold and I'm still in discussion with a few ppl about a purchase.
Even sold a bond to a Morbor victim...
I had hoped to use the isks for the assult frig bpo on auction yesterday but the price became too high - so (as always) I'm looking for new investment opertunities.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.20 13:11:00 -
[28]
I must say I'm a bit impressed by the intrest/confidence people have shown us/me with this deal.
So far 10 bonds have been sold and I'm still in discussion with a few ppl about a purchase.
Even sold a bond to a Morbor victim...
I had hoped to use the isks for the assult frig bpo on auction yesterday but the price became too high - so (as always) I'm looking for new investment opertunities.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.09.20 15:35:00 -
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I bought a Harpy yesterday from Sofitia, which brought me below the 250mil mark so I couldn't buy in on this deal 
There are only a few corps in the game that you could trust with this level of investment (BIG being another example)
Now if there were a 100mil bond offer going, I could certainly get in on the action....
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.09.20 15:35:00 -
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I bought a Harpy yesterday from Sofitia, which brought me below the 250mil mark so I couldn't buy in on this deal
There are only a few corps in the game that you could trust with this level of investment (BIG being another example)
Now if there were a 100mil bond offer going, I could certainly get in on the action....
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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BorgQueen
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:24:00 -
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I am afraid I will pass the deal and advice other players to do the same.
While I am not in any doubt about how trustworthy the corp his, I doubt the investment on tech-2 BPO for billions (6.2-6.4 for Assault Frigate BPO!!) of ISK will ever return the original investment.
Assault frigates are cool and hot NOW, but all will change in few weeks with many new ships from Shiva which will be mass produced. As the players focused on the new ships and content of Shiva (POS) I forecast a huge drop in price for tech-2 ships, reducing significantly the profit for this Corp and possibly for investors.
Here is an example
6.2 Bil for a BPO -> 20 Mil profit/ship -> 9 hours to build -> 116 days to break-even (now)
6.2 bil for a BPO -> 5 Mil profit/ship -> 9 hours to build -> 465 days to break-even (to be )
If you believe the assault frigates will be sold for 40 mil for very long time, feel free to buy all bonds! With the exclusion of the few "hardcore" players buying at all costs those ships, most of us are waiting for the prices to fall much lower, as they will.
Good Luck and Safe Investing!
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BorgQueen
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:24:00 -
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I am afraid I will pass the deal and advice other players to do the same.
While I am not in any doubt about how trustworthy the corp his, I doubt the investment on tech-2 BPO for billions (6.2-6.4 for Assault Frigate BPO!!) of ISK will ever return the original investment.
Assault frigates are cool and hot NOW, but all will change in few weeks with many new ships from Shiva which will be mass produced. As the players focused on the new ships and content of Shiva (POS) I forecast a huge drop in price for tech-2 ships, reducing significantly the profit for this Corp and possibly for investors.
Here is an example
6.2 Bil for a BPO -> 20 Mil profit/ship -> 9 hours to build -> 116 days to break-even (now)
6.2 bil for a BPO -> 5 Mil profit/ship -> 9 hours to build -> 465 days to break-even (to be )
If you believe the assault frigates will be sold for 40 mil for very long time, feel free to buy all bonds! With the exclusion of the few "hardcore" players buying at all costs those ships, most of us are waiting for the prices to fall much lower, as they will.
Good Luck and Safe Investing!
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:51:00 -
[33]
Originally by: BorgQueen
I am afraid I will pass the deal and advice other players to do the same.
tech-2 ships, reducing significantly the profit for this Corp and possibly for investors.
If you believe the assault frigates will be sold for 40 mil for very long time, feel free to buy all bonds!
I must agree with you on most counts...
the profit for e.g. assult frigs will fall definetly its only a mater of time - and naturly the income we get from that will fall aswell...
However I must stress that it is not our only source of income, and as an investor all you need to worry about is that Zanjitsu pays the bill every month :-)
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.20 18:51:00 -
[34]
Originally by: BorgQueen
I am afraid I will pass the deal and advice other players to do the same.
tech-2 ships, reducing significantly the profit for this Corp and possibly for investors.
If you believe the assault frigates will be sold for 40 mil for very long time, feel free to buy all bonds!
I must agree with you on most counts...
the profit for e.g. assult frigs will fall definetly its only a mater of time - and naturly the income we get from that will fall aswell...
However I must stress that it is not our only source of income, and as an investor all you need to worry about is that Zanjitsu pays the bill every month :-)
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.09.20 23:25:00 -
[35]
At least someone is trying to add an aspect of finance in EVE that should have been available iat launch.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.09.20 23:25:00 -
[36]
At least someone is trying to add an aspect of finance in EVE that should have been available iat launch.
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Destable
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Posted - 2004.09.20 23:43:00 -
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I have known, and done business with Sofitia and Zanjitsu for over a year.
I once personally lent her corp a substantial sum of money towards the purchase of thier 2nd or 3rd battleship BPO and it was paid back on time, and with interest.
Because of these experiences, I, and VentureCorp consider her among the most trustworthy of buisiness people in EVE.
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Destable
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Posted - 2004.09.20 23:43:00 -
[38]
I have known, and done business with Sofitia and Zanjitsu for over a year.
I once personally lent her corp a substantial sum of money towards the purchase of thier 2nd or 3rd battleship BPO and it was paid back on time, and with interest.
Because of these experiences, I, and VentureCorp consider her among the most trustworthy of buisiness people in EVE.
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.09.22 15:38:00 -
[39]
Zanjitsu are honorable and trustworthy tech2 manufacturers, and i'm delighted to announce OA has purchased a bond. 
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Machiavelli7
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Posted - 2004.09.22 15:38:00 -
[40]
Zanjitsu are honorable and trustworthy tech2 manufacturers, and i'm delighted to announce OA has purchased a bond.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.24 22:49:00 -
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I am happy to report that all 20 bonds have been sold...
I would like to thank all the trusting investors, I am quite impressed with the faith that you have shown Zanjitsu...
Ohh .. on a side note we are also looking for an experienced industrialist to join our corp, to help out with our tech2 production lines....
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.24 22:49:00 -
[42]
I am happy to report that all 20 bonds have been sold...
I would like to thank all the trusting investors, I am quite impressed with the faith that you have shown Zanjitsu...
Ohh .. on a side note we are also looking for an experienced industrialist to join our corp, to help out with our tech2 production lines....
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Jonask'ri
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Posted - 2004.09.25 07:27:00 -
[43]
Mmmmm
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Jonask'ri > Signature time "Redwolf - In Search of C_ck" |
Jonask'ri
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Posted - 2004.09.25 07:27:00 -
[44]
Mmmmm
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Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name.
Jonask'ri > Signature time "Redwolf - In Search of C_ck" |
Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2004.09.25 08:03:00 -
[45]
I've done business with Zanjitsu before, and have developed a good business relationship with them through their integrity and good business practices.
So they get my personal seal of approval.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2004.09.25 08:03:00 -
[46]
I've done business with Zanjitsu before, and have developed a good business relationship with them through their integrity and good business practices.
So they get my personal seal of approval.
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J'Maybe Keens
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Posted - 2004.09.25 09:13:00 -
[47]
Although I have expressed certain reservations about the economic viability of this project ( see article on Eve Guardian ) in terms of what it intends to do, I do wish everyone the best of luck with this project.
If any investors or indeed Sofitia Mourtos would like to contact me to keep us informed of how this venture is going Eve Guardian would be interested in covering the story.
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AUTHOR of the COMPLETE mineral and ore Price guide, updated weekly, see Eve Guardian for details
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J'Maybe Keens
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Posted - 2004.09.25 09:13:00 -
[48]
Although I have expressed certain reservations about the economic viability of this project ( see article on Eve Guardian ) in terms of what it intends to do, I do wish everyone the best of luck with this project.
If any investors or indeed Sofitia Mourtos would like to contact me to keep us informed of how this venture is going Eve Guardian would be interested in covering the story.
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AUTHOR of the COMPLETE mineral and ore Price guide, updated weekly, see Eve Guardian for details
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.25 14:24:00 -
[49]
Originally by: J'Maybe Keens
If any investors or indeed Sofitia Mourtos would like to contact me to keep us informed of how this venture is going Eve Guardian would be interested in covering the story.
expect monthly reports to be issued here in this topic...
feel free to contact me directly if further information is needet.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.09.25 14:24:00 -
[50]
Originally by: J'Maybe Keens
If any investors or indeed Sofitia Mourtos would like to contact me to keep us informed of how this venture is going Eve Guardian would be interested in covering the story.
expect monthly reports to be issued here in this topic...
feel free to contact me directly if further information is needet.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.10.01 18:22:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Sofitia Mourtos
expect monthly reports to be issued here in this topic...
The first intrest pay day is today, and I am happy to report that I have just completed payouts of 250misk total thereby paying the promised amount.
Also during the last few days an additional 7 bonds have been issued - there are now a total of 27bonds outstanding for a total value of 6.75b. (some might speculate that this somehow is related to our anouncement of the Retribution assult ship).
At this point we feel the need to consolidate for a while (unless something REALLY interesting pops up) since 27bonds is a burden we can feel on our income.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.10.01 18:22:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Sofitia Mourtos
expect monthly reports to be issued here in this topic...
The first intrest pay day is today, and I am happy to report that I have just completed payouts of 250misk total thereby paying the promised amount.
Also during the last few days an additional 7 bonds have been issued - there are now a total of 27bonds outstanding for a total value of 6.75b. (some might speculate that this somehow is related to our anouncement of the Retribution assult ship).
At this point we feel the need to consolidate for a while (unless something REALLY interesting pops up) since 27bonds is a burden we can feel on our income.
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.10.01 20:46:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Bohr on 01/10/2004 21:09:34
I'm not one of the foremost capitalists in this world, on the contrary to be honest. But it is nice to see that players start to create some of the much awaited isk sinks themselves.
A free-market society with huge ammounts of capital stacking up creates a heap load of problems, hoarding for instance. Guess we can only wait for CCP to introduce a stock-market to make it a legit/certified and viable business, also for less known companies in EVE. GG :)
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.10.01 20:46:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Bohr on 01/10/2004 21:09:34
I'm not one of the foremost capitalists in this world, on the contrary to be honest. But it is nice to see that players start to create some of the much awaited isk sinks themselves.
A free-market society with huge ammounts of capital stacking up creates a heap load of problems, hoarding for instance. Guess we can only wait for CCP to introduce a stock-market to make it a legit/certified and viable business, also for less known companies in EVE. GG :)
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.10.02 02:17:00 -
[55]
Missed this topic altogether 
But, if I may comment. Everyone who bought any of these 20 bonds made a good invesntment,
these guys are on par with NAGA.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.10.02 02:17:00 -
[56]
Missed this topic altogether
But, if I may comment. Everyone who bought any of these 20 bonds made a good invesntment,
these guys are on par with NAGA.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.11.01 23:06:00 -
[57]
The second intrest payment day is today (1/11).
And as usual the intrests have all been payed.
A little status on the "bonds":
At its peek we had 27 outstanding bonds - 6750misk.
currently we are down to 10 outstanding bonds - 2500misk. (profit has been good)
I'm happy to report that this project has been a success, by haveing the liquid isks at the right time we have been able to increase our assets considerbly.
Once again I thank all bond owners for there trust.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.11.01 23:06:00 -
[58]
The second intrest payment day is today (1/11).
And as usual the intrests have all been payed.
A little status on the "bonds":
At its peek we had 27 outstanding bonds - 6750misk.
currently we are down to 10 outstanding bonds - 2500misk. (profit has been good)
I'm happy to report that this project has been a success, by haveing the liquid isks at the right time we have been able to increase our assets considerbly.
Once again I thank all bond owners for there trust.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.11.01 23:46:00 -
[59]
I guess I'm the only one that remembers back with the whole "Let's all invest in a BS BPO" scam happened...
I don't trust anyone or anything I can't either see in a trade window or verify from an escrow.
I would advise y'all to be very, very careful with your isk.
Are these guys for real? I dunno. If they are, I don't want to be unfair to them. But I do have to say that I've seen about 50 scams just like this since I've been playing, elaborate, well-set up, with alts in corps replying to make it sound more realistic/trustworthy...
I'm goiing to hold on to my money for now. We'll see how it goes.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.11.01 23:46:00 -
[60]
I guess I'm the only one that remembers back with the whole "Let's all invest in a BS BPO" scam happened...
I don't trust anyone or anything I can't either see in a trade window or verify from an escrow.
I would advise y'all to be very, very careful with your isk.
Are these guys for real? I dunno. If they are, I don't want to be unfair to them. But I do have to say that I've seen about 50 scams just like this since I've been playing, elaborate, well-set up, with alts in corps replying to make it sound more realistic/trustworthy...
I'm goiing to hold on to my money for now. We'll see how it goes.
www.hadean.org
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Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2004.11.01 23:50:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I guess I'm the only one that remembers back with the whole "Let's all invest in a BS BPO" scam happened...
I don't trust anyone or anything I can't either see in a trade window or verify from an escrow.
I would advise y'all to be very, very careful with your isk.
Are these guys for real? I dunno. If they are, I don't want to be unfair to them. But I do have to say that I've seen about 50 scams just like this since I've been playing, elaborate, well-set up, with alts in corps replying to make it sound more realistic/trustworthy...
I'm goiing to hold on to my money for now. We'll see how it goes.
Well that your view at the end of the day......
what i would advise is to take some risks now and then come on life would be boring without risk and so would eve.Btw ive never been scammed in over a year playing and all this postive feedback would lead me to beleave to trust em  . But remember this you are the one controling the computer at the end of the day do as you feel is right. 
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2004.11.01 23:50:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I guess I'm the only one that remembers back with the whole "Let's all invest in a BS BPO" scam happened...
I don't trust anyone or anything I can't either see in a trade window or verify from an escrow.
I would advise y'all to be very, very careful with your isk.
Are these guys for real? I dunno. If they are, I don't want to be unfair to them. But I do have to say that I've seen about 50 scams just like this since I've been playing, elaborate, well-set up, with alts in corps replying to make it sound more realistic/trustworthy...
I'm goiing to hold on to my money for now. We'll see how it goes.
Well that your view at the end of the day......
what i would advise is to take some risks now and then come on life would be boring without risk and so would eve.Btw ive never been scammed in over a year playing and all this postive feedback would lead me to beleave to trust em . But remember this you are the one controling the computer at the end of the day do as you feel is right.
Magnet41 > i kill people ingame because i would take a bigger sec if i killed them in rl |
nirana
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Posted - 2004.11.02 01:39:00 -
[63]
arr.. i wanted some :/
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nirana
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Posted - 2004.11.02 01:39:00 -
[64]
arr.. i wanted some :/
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2004.11.02 03:12:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I guess I'm the only one that remembers back with the whole "Let's all invest in a BS BPO" scam happened...
I don't trust anyone or anything I can't either see in a trade window or verify from an escrow.
I would advise y'all to be very, very careful with your isk.
Are these guys for real? I dunno. If they are, I don't want to be unfair to them. But I do have to say that I've seen about 50 scams just like this since I've been playing, elaborate, well-set up, with alts in corps replying to make it sound more realistic/trustworthy...
I'm goiing to hold on to my money for now. We'll see how it goes.
Exactly!! Only a few remember the BIG SCAM... It was setup so well and took so much time but in the end the guy pocketed billions from it... he had all the isk but lost all friends and eventually all purpose in EvE...
Oh and caused CCP to add that scam to the EULA/exploit clause...
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2004.11.02 03:12:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I guess I'm the only one that remembers back with the whole "Let's all invest in a BS BPO" scam happened...
I don't trust anyone or anything I can't either see in a trade window or verify from an escrow.
I would advise y'all to be very, very careful with your isk.
Are these guys for real? I dunno. If they are, I don't want to be unfair to them. But I do have to say that I've seen about 50 scams just like this since I've been playing, elaborate, well-set up, with alts in corps replying to make it sound more realistic/trustworthy...
I'm goiing to hold on to my money for now. We'll see how it goes.
Exactly!! Only a few remember the BIG SCAM... It was setup so well and took so much time but in the end the guy pocketed billions from it... he had all the isk but lost all friends and eventually all purpose in EvE...
Oh and caused CCP to add that scam to the EULA/exploit clause...
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.11.04 22:35:00 -
[67]
Originally by: HostageTaker
Exactly!! Only a few remember the BIG SCAM...
everyone remembers Morbor... I even mentioned him in the writeup of this post...
For those (still) issueing "warnings" - relax I'm not issueing bonds so even if you did NOT want to "hold on to your isks" I could not help you :-)
If you had payed attention you would have seen that I'm currently buying back bonds...
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.11.04 22:35:00 -
[68]
Originally by: HostageTaker
Exactly!! Only a few remember the BIG SCAM...
everyone remembers Morbor... I even mentioned him in the writeup of this post...
For those (still) issueing "warnings" - relax I'm not issueing bonds so even if you did NOT want to "hold on to your isks" I could not help you :-)
If you had payed attention you would have seen that I'm currently buying back bonds...
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Deovina
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Posted - 2004.11.05 11:45:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Deovina on 05/11/2004 11:52:22
To all those who scream Scam. ;)
I bought one bond (I think I was one of the first to buy one but Sofitia gotta tell that) because I liked the idea and wanted it to succed.
I got the first intrest rate for the half of september (12,5m). Then the intrest rate for october (25m).
I also received the intrest rate for november at the 1st. Because Sofitia wanted to buy out the bond she also payed me the additional intrest for decemember already + the bond. So my wallet increased by 300m.
So in 2 months I gained 87,5m without work. (+ some nice extra customer service)
I'd like to thank Sofitia for providing such a neat buisness opertunity.
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Deovina
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Posted - 2004.11.05 11:45:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Deovina on 05/11/2004 11:52:22
To all those who scream Scam. ;)
I bought one bond (I think I was one of the first to buy one but Sofitia gotta tell that) because I liked the idea and wanted it to succed.
I got the first intrest rate for the half of september (12,5m). Then the intrest rate for october (25m).
I also received the intrest rate for november at the 1st. Because Sofitia wanted to buy out the bond she also payed me the additional intrest for decemember already + the bond. So my wallet increased by 300m.
So in 2 months I gained 87,5m without work. (+ some nice extra customer service)
I'd like to thank Sofitia for providing such a neat buisness opertunity.
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