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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.15 16:32:00 -
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Well, not that this wasn't expected. Still, Heth's choice of words is clear evidence of Caldari imperialism. 'Liberation' of those worlds, my ass. They didn't want to be liberated in the first place...
Still, well done Caldari for proving that collectivism reigns supreme over typical Gallente 'I want kills' selfishness.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.06.15 20:10:00 -
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I wonder if corps that left the caldari militia will recieve the medal? Cause if not, the 22nd is going to be PEEEOOO'd
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SolusLunes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.15 22:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Invelious
I wonder if corps that left the caldari militia will recieve the medal? Cause if not, the 22nd is going to be PEEEOOO'd
I might have to be drunk, angry, and GODDAMN I BOUGHT A LOT OF AMMO
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Davis Thorn
Caldari
Paramount Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.16 00:50:00 -
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Part of me is pleased with the obvious Caldari superiority in both numbers and tactical decision-making and glad to see the hard work of the militia be recognized. The other part of me is disappointed this war has even occurred at all. Now that this faux-conflict has finally reached its end perhaps the political leadership of both the Gallente Federation and the State will cease their side show and we can get back to expanding in productive ways. |
Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Kha'rific-Mintor Outriders.
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Posted - 2009.06.16 01:13:00 -
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Oh, but it is productive.
So long as the highly costly ships of capsuleers and their crews are thrown into the blender, the need for replacements will exist. The demand for ships an ammunition is at an all time high thus there is much money to be made by capitalists; those who capitalize on every situation, good or bad.
The cogs of war continue to churn, and I don't think Heth has any desire to put an end this wonderful situation. The war machine's factories continue to produce more ships and more missiles all to be sold for much profit. It's perfect for the well-being of the State, no?Therefore it should be good for your people too, even if generations are killed in droves and bloodlines are erased from existence in an instant.
You didn't actually think Heth cared about the people, did you?
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Lief Siddhe
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 02:07:00 -
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This isn't a war. This is a sideshow.
I was somewhere Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold... |
Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.06.16 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Well, not that this wasn't expected. Still, Heth's choice of words is clear evidence of Caldari imperialism. 'Liberation' of those worlds, my ass. They didn't want to be liberated in the first place...
It is a semantics argument. The use of it twice is meant to target his audience; not you or me, but his power base the common Caldari people.
Notice in the previous paragraph:
Originally by: Tibus Heth
Just as our forefathers struggled to liberate themselves from Gallentean tyranny, our immortal warriors today continue the fight for Caldari providence among these stars.
Then in the next paragraph:
Originally by: Tibus Heth
[F]rontier settlements will benefit from the liberation of their worlds from Federation hands. Indeed, we will unlock the true potential of these regions by lifting those who earn the right to lead and prosper.
He is tying the two events together; the secession of the Caldari from the Federation and the occupation of the frontier systems. A clever writer with a lack of understanding the mechanics of the CONCORD Militia Act wrote a speech for his intended audience; hardly a statement of State policy. (Maybe KK policy but I can't speak to that with any confidence.)
As for the term "Caldari imperialism"; I suppose you could use that term, but is Minmatar attacking Amarr settlements and worlds to free slaves Minmtar imperialism?
That would make any power pursuing its goals acting in an imperial way.
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Stitcher
Caldari
ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.16 08:38:00 -
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The duties of a patriot are many, but one of the often-overlooked one is the vigilance for threats from within. Vigilance from any enemy without is obvious, but only those who truly love their homeland also concern themselves with safe guarding the national character and soul.
The Caldari State is on a razor's edge here. We are NOT liberators, and neither should we ever claim to be such. Heth's speech is... incredible, and not in a good way. It took him the width of a full stop to bare his hypocrisy for the galaxy to see! in one sentence he denounces a, quote: "cruel and cowardly enemy attempting to force its will upon a peace-loving people" and in the very next sentence he discusses his plans to force HIS will on THEM!
This is unconscionable. I was uneasy enough with the ongoing successes of the war effort as was but....
Soldiers do their job and their duty. I have nothing but love for the men and women fighting this war. It isn't their fault that the war is unjust and it isn't their fault that our system has thus far utterly failed to destroy the man who is hell-bent on throwing the Gallente into the mouth of hell and doesn't care an iota if he drags the State down alongside them.
Gariushi's message is forgotten; The State has become united in hatred. We have to fight back and reclaim our integrity. I may believe that our way is the better way, I believe in State megacapitalism as opposed to Federal democracy, but it's a big galaxy - if people wish to make mistakes, then there is room and time enough to sit back and let them do it. Governments, like stubborn adolescents, must learn from their own mistakes rather than from the example set by others. In the meantime, we must care for our own values and our own moral foundations or else we risk destroying ourselves and in the process hardening our opponents' resolve against us. |
Ziriko Keplit
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.06.16 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ziriko Keplit on 16/06/2009 09:10:01
Originally by: Davis Thorn
Part of me is pleased with the obvious Caldari superiority in both numbers and tactical decision-making and glad to see the hard work of the militia be recognized. The other part of me is disappointed this war has even occurred at all. Now that this faux-conflict has finally reached its end perhaps the political leadership of both the Gallente Federation and the State will cease their side show and we can get back to expanding in productive ways.
/Signed under every single word
Originally by: SolusLunes
Originally by: Invelious
I wonder if corps that left the caldari militia will recieve the medal? Cause if not, the 22nd is going to be PEEEOOO'd
I might have to be drunk, angry, and GODDAMN I BOUGHT A LOT OF AMMO
Don't make me come for you, Tibus.
/ me recently left State protectorate and moved to amarr militia to help our allies, so... signed under this one as well
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
They didn't want to be liberated in the first place...
I am Intaki and as Intaki I get great pleasure in liberation of my home planet. |
Nicole Graves
Caldari
ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.16 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: SolusLunes
I might have to be drunk, angry, and GODDAMN I BOUGHT A LOT OF AMMO
Don't make me come for you, Tibus.
If you only did this for Heth to reward you then I am truely sorry for you.
But then, the 22nd was 'granted' early retirement so I'm sure you'll get you blade, Mr SolusLunes.
/Nicole Graves
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Simon Coal
Gallente
The Grass Spiders
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Posted - 2009.06.16 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
it's a big galaxy - if people wish to make mistakes, then there is room and time enough to sit back and let them do it. Governments, like stubborn adolescents, must learn from their own mistakes rather than from the example set by others. In the meantime, we must care for our own values and our own moral foundations or else we risk destroying ourselves and in the process hardening our opponents' resolve against us.
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Simon Coal
Gallente
The Grass Spiders
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Posted - 2009.06.16 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
it's a big galaxy - if people wish to make mistakes, then there is room and time enough to sit back and let them do it. Governments, like stubborn adolescents, must learn from their own mistakes rather than from the example set by others. In the meantime, we must care for our own values and our own moral foundations or else we risk destroying ourselves and in the process hardening our opponents' resolve against us.
Too damn right, M'sr Hakatain. One thing, though. Heth wants to keep all the territory he's taken so far. I thought you said this was a sham war?
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William Ytiri
YTiRi Retail
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Posted - 2009.06.16 13:01:00 -
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Heth's words are exactly what should be uttered. The courteousness of his diplomatic decency to wait on the Federation to come with the first statement after their humiliating performance this long before issuing his own statement has cost him already a lot of goodwill amongst the Caldari podpilots fighting for the State Protectorate.
His statement is therefore a firm message to the Federation that the solution is in their own hands and he's willing to wait on their politics to get working towards a solution, ... but not forever. As long the Federation remains paralysed, the State moves forward.
The appointment of Reppola with Ishukone is a good signal that the political diversity, one of the reasons of our state's success, is still flourishing withing the state and should be enough for the Federation to come up with an opening for political negotiations.
Foiritan knows who to contact.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.16 14:58:00 -
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Wonder if I'll get it, although I've been attending to 0.0 matters lately I am strike commander in retirement.  BTW I was there when the very first system was occupied by Caldari State 
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SolusLunes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.16 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nicole Graves
Originally by: SolusLunes
I might have to be drunk, angry, and GODDAMN I BOUGHT A LOT OF AMMO
Don't make me come for you, Tibus.
If you only did this for Heth to reward you then I am truely sorry for you.
But then, the 22nd was 'granted' early retirement so I'm sure you'll get you blade, Mr SolusLunes.
/Nicole Graves
Ah, you take my words too seriously. Have you had your sense of humor surgically removed?
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Andreus Ixiris: This is what he doesn't believe I actually believe about what Caldari believe.
SolusLunes: My head hurts. I must concede this round to you, sir. :( |
Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: SolusLunes
Ah, you take my words too seriously. Have you had your sense of humor surgically removed?
The error of this void in ha-ha is in the region of genetics. Laughter can not be removed, but it is the knowledge you might use to implant comical organs into the flesh of the ordinary. |
Koronakesh
Amarr
The Synenose Accord
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Posted - 2009.06.21 14:25:00 -
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Maybe it's just my system malfunctioning....or they're choosing not to display it publicly... but I haven't found a single 22nd Black Rise member who was awarded that Distinguished Blade medal....
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David Caldera
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.06.21 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Koronakesh
Maybe it's just my system malfunctioning....or they're choosing not to display it publicly... but I haven't found a single 22nd Black Rise member who was awarded that Distinguished Blade medal....
That's because they weren't awarded it.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.22 07:18:00 -
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Serves them right for abandoning their duty to their country and going to pursue some petty nullsec power broking.
If they're not going to stand by their State and protect their gains, they don't deserve any 'medals' |
William Ytiri
YTiRi Retail
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Posted - 2009.06.22 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Koronakesh
Maybe it's just my system malfunctioning....or they're choosing not to display it publicly... but I haven't found a single 22nd Black Rise member who was awarded that Distinguished Blade medal....
You are kidding me, right?
--- Working at Ytiri Retail? Check here. |
Omiot Pavus
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.24 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Omiot Pavus on 24/06/2009 12:23:31
Mr. Inhonores, I thought I remembered you saying before that Heth would never bother to take notice of the militia's efforts?
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Sven Pollick
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Posted - 2009.06.29 07:33:00 -
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I say bravo to the pilots fighting on behalf of the State. Many of us never thought we would see the reclaiming of our homeworld in our lifetime. Yet, Heth has done the unthinkable. Granted, it was during the CONCORD blackout, but still. The fact that the Gallente, as President Foiritan put it, is a "Sleeping giant" was nothing but a bluff. The Gallente seem more adept at countering the Amarrian invasion, rather than the enemy that is knocking at their front door.
In the end, the State has gotten what it has sought to reclaim over a hundred years ago - Caldari Prime. We are ready to negotiate terms with the Gallente, in my eyes. Only now, leaving Caldari Prime behind is not up for debate. |
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