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Ash Lor'Ador
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Posted - 2004.09.17 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ash Lor'Ador on 17/09/2004 23:03:34
Hi all..curious as to your opinion. I'm facing a choice between spending my time solo ninja mining bistot/selling zydrine and megacyte (with a buyer nearby), or staying in Empire and building battleships. Any opinions on which is more profitable taking into account the amount of effort/hours involved?
Thanks for your replies.
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Ash Lor'Ador
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Posted - 2004.09.17 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ash Lor'Ador on 17/09/2004 23:03:34
Hi all..curious as to your opinion. I'm facing a choice between spending my time solo ninja mining bistot/selling zydrine and megacyte (with a buyer nearby), or staying in Empire and building battleships. Any opinions on which is more profitable taking into account the amount of effort/hours involved?
Thanks for your replies.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.09.18 02:25:00 -
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I use kind of a happy medium between the two. Mining in 0.0 is risky and can be alot of fun at the same time. Mining for minerals though is alot of work.
As a manufacturer it is possible to make some money from battleships. Still its not "big" money unless your also mining some of the minerals you use.
Example: Armageddon
- Takes around 4.8m trit and 1.1m pyerite plus higher minerals.
- Selling price around $68m or so on market usually go in a few days.
- Total production cost with PE5 skills is around $58m (using a baseline mineral price based on market averages).
So you can buy all your minerals on the market and make around 10m isk on the deal. Or you can "power mine" the low grade minerals yourself in a nice .6 or .7 system with full Concord protection and make your $10m profit on the ship AND a profit of around $20m on the trit/pyer/mex/iso/nocx. A total profit of $30m isk.
Not a bad deal except mining Scordite for Pyerite takes forever even using an Apoc. The other stuff is actually very quick with an Apoc (and a hauler working FT for you). The scordite is another matter but can be gathered in an evening of mining if you work at it.
If you really work hard at ship manufacturing, dedicate your gametime to it 100% and just mine and build you can make alot of money. It adds up very quickly when you sell a battleship and 10 cruisers in a day. Spend a ten hour day online mining and building and make about $150m a day in ship sales with approximately $70m of that being pure profit on your minerals and profit margin from the sale.
Then take that $150m total cash pile you have and buy more high grade minerals (Megacyte, Zydrine, Nocxium, Isogen) on the market to build with. Pretty soon your going to have a "stockpile" of minerals worth hundreds of millions of isk. I must tell you its a real thrill to look in your hangar and see a pile of Mega and Zyd to the hangar ceiling. It almost becomes like an obsession to make more. Reinvesting your cash in minerals and blueprints and expanding your business can be a big part of Eve. I've been playing like this since Beta and only recently got back into combat with PIE. Manufacturing is LIFE for many of us.
But its alot of work and mining is boring as heck. Thats the downside.
Hope that helps. Feel free to ask questions.
Archbishop
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.09.18 02:25:00 -
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I use kind of a happy medium between the two. Mining in 0.0 is risky and can be alot of fun at the same time. Mining for minerals though is alot of work.
As a manufacturer it is possible to make some money from battleships. Still its not "big" money unless your also mining some of the minerals you use.
Example: Armageddon
- Takes around 4.8m trit and 1.1m pyerite plus higher minerals.
- Selling price around $68m or so on market usually go in a few days.
- Total production cost with PE5 skills is around $58m (using a baseline mineral price based on market averages).
So you can buy all your minerals on the market and make around 10m isk on the deal. Or you can "power mine" the low grade minerals yourself in a nice .6 or .7 system with full Concord protection and make your $10m profit on the ship AND a profit of around $20m on the trit/pyer/mex/iso/nocx. A total profit of $30m isk.
Not a bad deal except mining Scordite for Pyerite takes forever even using an Apoc. The other stuff is actually very quick with an Apoc (and a hauler working FT for you). The scordite is another matter but can be gathered in an evening of mining if you work at it.
If you really work hard at ship manufacturing, dedicate your gametime to it 100% and just mine and build you can make alot of money. It adds up very quickly when you sell a battleship and 10 cruisers in a day. Spend a ten hour day online mining and building and make about $150m a day in ship sales with approximately $70m of that being pure profit on your minerals and profit margin from the sale.
Then take that $150m total cash pile you have and buy more high grade minerals (Megacyte, Zydrine, Nocxium, Isogen) on the market to build with. Pretty soon your going to have a "stockpile" of minerals worth hundreds of millions of isk. I must tell you its a real thrill to look in your hangar and see a pile of Mega and Zyd to the hangar ceiling. It almost becomes like an obsession to make more. Reinvesting your cash in minerals and blueprints and expanding your business can be a big part of Eve. I've been playing like this since Beta and only recently got back into combat with PIE. Manufacturing is LIFE for many of us.
But its alot of work and mining is boring as heck. Thats the downside.
Hope that helps. Feel free to ask questions.
Archbishop
PIE CORPORATION
VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS
PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
Ash Lor'Ador
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:06:00 -
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Thank you for your very informative post. :)
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Ash Lor'Ador
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Posted - 2004.09.18 05:06:00 -
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Thank you for your very informative post. :)
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Kinnison
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Posted - 2004.09.25 15:19:00 -
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Another way; buy the minerals as ore (for this you need decent refining skills and/or someone willing to do it for you) and make sure you do it in a decent refinery. While you're waiting for the stuff to come in, do something else (agent running perhaps?) to use your time. Agent running also has the useful side effect of improving your standing and therefore decreasing station refining tax.
Do it right, and you can make money while doing something else. I haven't strapped on a mining laser for weeks now. 
Another point; if you do a fair bit of npc hunting, the loot produces useful amounts of minerals, especially if you blow up cruisers. So you're getting paid to accumulate stock, and there's always a chance of valuable drops. But the junk loot is also useful. Modules, even the cr*p ones, run at least 4000isk per module for mineral content alone.
If you are refining loot, make sure you have a fair-sized pile first.
Another idea is to buy up the junk that people are selling at less than mineral cost, probably from pirate drops, and refine that.
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Kinnison
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Posted - 2004.09.25 15:19:00 -
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Another way; buy the minerals as ore (for this you need decent refining skills and/or someone willing to do it for you) and make sure you do it in a decent refinery. While you're waiting for the stuff to come in, do something else (agent running perhaps?) to use your time. Agent running also has the useful side effect of improving your standing and therefore decreasing station refining tax.
Do it right, and you can make money while doing something else. I haven't strapped on a mining laser for weeks now.
Another point; if you do a fair bit of npc hunting, the loot produces useful amounts of minerals, especially if you blow up cruisers. So you're getting paid to accumulate stock, and there's always a chance of valuable drops. But the junk loot is also useful. Modules, even the cr*p ones, run at least 4000isk per module for mineral content alone.
If you are refining loot, make sure you have a fair-sized pile first.
Another idea is to buy up the junk that people are selling at less than mineral cost, probably from pirate drops, and refine that.
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Jonask'ri
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Posted - 2004.09.26 00:59:00 -
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Manufacturing Tips from PIE...
Well guess who I'm never selling BS's to from now on :P
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Jonask'ri > Signature time "Redwolf - In Search of C_ck" |
Jonask'ri
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Posted - 2004.09.26 00:59:00 -
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Manufacturing Tips from PIE...
Well guess who I'm never selling BS's to from now on :P
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Redwolf > No Solar System can be found with 'c_ck' in the beginning its name.
Jonask'ri > Signature time "Redwolf - In Search of C_ck" |
Holtzman
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Posted - 2004.09.26 11:27:00 -
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Another way; buy the minerals as ore (for this you need decent refining skills and/or someone willing to do it for you) and make sure you do it in a decent refinery.
What do you mean by decent refinery? I'm new to the game and haven't started refining but have started on learning the skill?
Thnx
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Holtzman
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Posted - 2004.09.26 11:27:00 -
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Another way; buy the minerals as ore (for this you need decent refining skills and/or someone willing to do it for you) and make sure you do it in a decent refinery.
What do you mean by decent refinery? I'm new to the game and haven't started refining but have started on learning the skill?
Thnx
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Capt Ketamine
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Posted - 2004.09.26 19:52:00 -
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My compliments on a nice thread
I agree with Archbishop very nice analysis above. I have made alot of isk from bs sales this year using the 'empire: mining everything but the mega and zyd' approach. That gets my vote. I personally dont enjoy ninja mining anymore, too much hassle. I prefer the 'reading a book whilst mining' comfort zones. Mebbe im getting old?
Anyway to answer the question, open any refinery in station and look at panel on the right with writing on it. 2nd paragraph says something like 'our refining equipment at this station gives you X%' blah blah. Different stations have different values. A 'decent refinery' is one where the basic % is high, 50% is the maximum. So if you have max refining skills (refining and refining efficiency both at Level5) and even some of the specialised ore specific refining skills, like i do  , you can get the overall % as high as 99.5%. Even higher if you have good standing with the corp that owns the station.
Hope this helps, im also free to answer any questions in game.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made alot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move" Douglas Adams |
Capt Ketamine
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Posted - 2004.09.26 19:52:00 -
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My compliments on a nice thread
I agree with Archbishop very nice analysis above. I have made alot of isk from bs sales this year using the 'empire: mining everything but the mega and zyd' approach. That gets my vote. I personally dont enjoy ninja mining anymore, too much hassle. I prefer the 'reading a book whilst mining' comfort zones. Mebbe im getting old?
Anyway to answer the question, open any refinery in station and look at panel on the right with writing on it. 2nd paragraph says something like 'our refining equipment at this station gives you X%' blah blah. Different stations have different values. A 'decent refinery' is one where the basic % is high, 50% is the maximum. So if you have max refining skills (refining and refining efficiency both at Level5) and even some of the specialised ore specific refining skills, like i do , you can get the overall % as high as 99.5%. Even higher if you have good standing with the corp that owns the station.
Hope this helps, im also free to answer any questions in game.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made alot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move" Douglas Adams |
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