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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.18 16:39:00 -
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Let me preface this by saying that I am a gallente fw pilot, and as such would not receive this medal. Nor do I even plex.
Regardless of whether or not you think that plexes are worth anything, or whether they are pve or pvp, a lot of individuals spent a LOT of time coordinating to take those systems, and CCP decided to reward those pilots with a medal.
Now, when the plex war was won, many of those pilots and corporations decided that it was time to move on. They'd worked hard, they'd achieved their goal, it was time to move on to something different.
I propose that the caldari medal for taking all systems in fw be given to those pilots who were actually IN factional warfare on the caldari side at the time all systems were taken, and NOT to those you joined after the fact. If there's a medal going to be given out for such activities... GIVE IT TO THOSE PILOTS WHO DID THE WORK.
Thanks for listening.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.18 16:39:00 -
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Supporting my own topic.
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Logan Xerxes
Xerxes Security
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Posted - 2009.06.18 16:51:00 -
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Thank you chatgris. Supported.
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Brandon Boyd
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Brandon Boyd on 18/06/2009 16:52:53 thank you chatgris and I am supporting you with all I got on that Issue
BB
Edit: Forgot the thumbs duh
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Vero Null
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Posted - 2009.06.18 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vero Null on 18/06/2009 17:05:41 Supported. |

Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.06.18 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 18/06/2009 17:12:22 Fully agree.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General |

Havegooda
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Posted - 2009.06.18 17:15:00 -
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Supported. Good job Caldari! 22nd even more so. |

Gabriel Darkefyre
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.18 17:17:00 -
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Signed, also a Gallente FW Pilot here.
The likes of the 22nd, who were at the forefront of the entire Campaign but left FW between taking the Last System and the Announcement of the Medal are far more deserving of this than some Random Nubs who hadn't even entered the Warzone before the Conquest was completed (Whether that is because they joined after the last system fell, or they've been in all along but never actually participated)
Can we also get a confirmation from any Gallente Players who have Spies within the Caldari Militia whether or not their Spies received the Medal as, if they did, then that's a real slap in the face for the Guys who actually worked for this. |

Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.06.18 17:34:00 -
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Pretty much a no-brainer. I hope this still might happen by the date they set out in the SCOPE release.
Oh, and while you FW types are popping in here, please stop by this thread and support it to request more info on FW development from CCP.
Dohl |

Juan Rayo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.18 18:03:00 -
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Supported. |
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Turelus
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 18:10:00 -
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I support this! Chatgris is the most awesome frog ever! I only ever jammed her once but after that we have had a nice friendly relationship =)
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Lord Zekk
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 18:16:00 -
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Thanks a lot Chatgris and to the rest of you Qcats.
I'm sure there must be other FW corps that are in the same boat. If you are, make sure to post up here.
Originally by: Dohl Khrensen Pretty much a no-brainer. I hope this still might happen by the date they set out in the SCOPE release.
Oh, and while you FW types are popping in here, please stop by this thread and support it to request more info on FW development from CCP.
Dohl
Please make sure you support this thread as well.
Thanks ----------------------------------------
We are recruiting. Visit us at http://www.22ndbrdu.com |

Lord Zekk
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 18:16:00 -
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Thanks a lot Chatgris and to the rest of you Qcats.
I'm sure there must be other FW corps that are in the same boat. If you are, make sure to post up here.
Originally by: Dohl Khrensen Pretty much a no-brainer. I hope this still might happen by the date they set out in the SCOPE release.
Oh, and while you FW types are popping in here, please stop by this thread and support it to request more info on FW development from CCP.
Dohl
Please make sure you support this thread as well.
Thanks ----------------------------------------
We are recruiting. Visit us at http://www.22ndbrdu.com |

Snake O'Donell
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.18 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Snake O''Donell on 18/06/2009 18:31:17
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre Signed, also a Gallente FW Pilot here.
The likes of the 22nd, who were at the forefront of the entire Campaign but left FW between taking the Last System and the Announcement of the Medal are far more deserving of this than some Random Nubs who hadn't even entered the Warzone before the Conquest was completed (Whether that is because they joined after the last system fell, or they've been in all along but never actually participated)
Can we also get a confirmation from any Gallente Players who have Spies within the Caldari Militia whether or not their Spies received the Medal as, if they did, then that's a real slap in the face for the Guys who actually worked for this.
All of my spies that I still have in State Pro got the medal, however the ones I pulled out after all the captures were complete didn't get it.
EDIT: Supported. 22nd deserve some type of reward for what they did.
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.18 18:33:00 -
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this should be a no brainer, I swear ccp just make a mess of stuff on purpose sometimes ;)
The Dark is Rising... Fight my Brute! |

Commander Yassir
Big Black Hole
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Posted - 2009.06.18 19:01:00 -
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Supporting cause it makes sense. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |

Zagamesh
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.06.18 19:04:00 -
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Agreed. |

Shun Makoto
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 19:19:00 -
[18]
Supported |

Tyson Gallane
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 19:24:00 -
[19]
Heartily supported.
T.
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Pesro Montales
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Pesro Montales on 18/06/2009 20:04:31 Supported!     
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Serapo Petrotestes
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Serapo Petrotestes on 18/06/2009 20:12:43 Lol, CCP fumbled this one in a classic manner. Even Gallente spies get the medal, a good number of those that did the actual work don't.
Anyway, bump to make fun of another Epic CCP fail. Next time, you may want to delete the boot.ini from the 22nd corp members. (I am on a Mac btw, so just go ahead). |

petrimax
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Posted - 2009.06.18 20:14:00 -
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Good job caldarians, I agree, the acknowledgment to the correct guys.
Hey Gallenteans, when we will catch up ? |

Lord Almquist
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Posted - 2009.06.18 20:28:00 -
[23]
Supported. |

KhellendrosX
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.06.18 20:46:00 -
[24]
Supported, you guys deserve it.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2009.06.18 21:06:00 -
[25]
Good luck with this. |

Trayk
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.06.18 21:14:00 -
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Unbelievable. CCP Fails. I know how tedious the task of capturing a whole constellation is, as we did it twice as part of FW. The 22nd are honored enemies of our FW day. They were the driving force behind CalMil capture of all the systems. They deserve this award as much as anyone.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.06.18 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Greg6 on 18/06/2009 21:31:46 It's a no brainer. Any system for determining who gets those medals that does not include the 22nd is a broken system. Those guys did the bulk of the labor, as far as I saw things from the wrong end of their gun barrels, in taking the systems and if they aren't getting a medal then the medals lose all their value. Come on, CCP, give the 22nd a medal, they earned it.
Supported.
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Hesod Adee
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.18 21:42:00 -
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If you did the work, you deserve the medal.
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SolusLunes
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 21:42:00 -
[29]
It might be murderizin' time. ------- Andreus Ixiris: This is what he doesn't believe I actually believe about what Caldari believe. SolusLunes: My head hurts. I must concede this round to you, sir. :( |

Dominus Insania
Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.06.18 21:45:00 -
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supported
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.06.18 21:52:00 -
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These guys spent hundreds of hours running plexes and they deserve the medal. By giving it to anyone and everyone in the Caldari militia you are devaluing it. Come up with some other criteria other than 'just being in the militia'. |

Ankhesentapemkah
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:03:00 -
[32]
Supporting any medal topic. |

TooNu
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:04:00 -
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Proud 22nd member who knows who did the work for this. Will we get recognition? I hope this thread stirs up something in the FW office at CCP.
Cheers Chatgris. |

Invelious
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:36:00 -
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full support.
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Deagon Droga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:40:00 -
[35]
/signed you can't slide...UPHILL |

Drethial
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:54:00 -
[36]
I support this, and it says something that the ememy militia are rooting for us, thanks to all supporting this thread particularly those outside caldari militia hope CCP acts on this |

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:57:00 -
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Supported - medal sniping shouldn't happen, but it will, and anyone who worked for it and left after it was over should be rewarded for what they did, not for wasting two weeks after it was over. They should have had the medal prepped when the outcome was obvious, issued it over downtime when the last system switched(or immediately after, or something), and avoided this nonsense entirely. |

Louis deGuerre
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.06.18 22:58:00 -
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They're plex *****s but truly deserve that medal  |

Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
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Posted - 2009.06.18 23:01:00 -
[39]
Agreed, give them the medal. |

Sadumon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.06.18 23:13:00 -
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Utterly ridiculous. You have my unending support, and if CCP won't give the 22nd folks the medal, I'll chip in some isk to help pay for them giving themselves the medals (what is it, 5m per pilot?). |
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Ms tradesalot
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Posted - 2009.06.18 23:37:00 -
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Supported fully. They had a first. Everyone involved should be recognized.
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Joshamee Gibbs
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.18 23:48:00 -
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I don't like plexing, it's boring, and the caldari won without doing any pvp, yadda yadda yadda.
regardless, if they're going to get a medal those who took part should get it, if only for the amount of boredom they must have withstood.
this just shows laziness on CCP's part; surely they would have noticed the last gallente system would be about to fall, so get ready to quickly implement a reward on the date of capture rather than after the plexing juggernaughts left.
no matter how loud we cry out though, I doubt CCP, or the majority of the CSM will listen. FW pilots are a large chunk of the eve player base, something near the size of the 0.0 demographic, I think, yet they get more shiny toys; look at the recently revamped SB! -------------
http://podlogs.com/enteringspace/ |

Hereon Herinnger
Nolra Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.19 00:34:00 -
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Let it be so. |

Garlen Hask
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.19 02:02:00 -
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Signed, it just makes sense.
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Darden Claden
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Posted - 2009.06.19 04:09:00 -
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Thanx Chatgris and all the other Gal pilots that speaking out about this. Hopefully ccp is listening... |

Kaylee Ariendahl
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.19 05:06:00 -
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Thanks to Chatgris and all are FW enemies. Much respect to you all for speaking up for us. Thanks for all the fun! |

Klyria
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.06.19 05:23:00 -
[47]
This seems fair. |

Serwenta
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Posted - 2009.06.19 08:55:00 -
[48]
Supproted
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Shaitan Samael
Vortex Void of Inhumanity
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Posted - 2009.06.19 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Shaitan Samael on 19/06/2009 09:20:03 Supporting
Edit:Thumb up |

NereSky
The Good old Days
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Posted - 2009.06.19 09:37:00 -
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Give everyone a medal lol i know i deserve one for having patience with CCP
Supported
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olzi
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.06.19 11:34:00 -
[51]
Supported. |

Kassamies
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Posted - 2009.06.19 11:35:00 -
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Kassamies absolutely supports this suggestion. |

Tlar Sanqua
Gallente Defence Initiative
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Posted - 2009.06.19 11:40:00 -
[53]
Honestly, it should have been done this way from the outset. Full support for all those that should have got the medal. Also, those without a rank shouldn't have been given the medal given they did nothing towards it.
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Fenris Ulfur
Tenacious Tendencies
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Posted - 2009.06.19 12:43:00 -
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Have not taken part in FW, but have been fascinated by it since its start. As an Icelander and a upcoming software engineer the pride and awe that I've had for CCP since they started in 1997 has slowly taken a beating through the years by stuff like this. Seriously how hard can it be to read your own news and actually do what you say you'll do? Also looking up who where signed up for FW on the Caldari side on Capture day is just one basic SQL (or what ever system you use) command away!
On a side note: 17.June is the Icelandic Independence day, not sure if that played some part in giving the medal away 6 day's early. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "But rather than that you question my courage, let someone put his hand in my mouth as a pledge that this is done in good faith"
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.06.19 13:57:00 -
[55]
Bumping this with my support.
Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn" |

Jade Blackwind
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Posted - 2009.06.19 14:50:00 -
[56]
Supported. |

Oam Mkoll
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.19 19:02:00 -
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Those people deserve a FREE MONTH tbh for sticking with the FW crap and rallying so brilliantly so many times. Giving the medal to people who didn't work for this or not giving it to those who did is insulting.
CCP by allowing any other outcome than what the OP is proposing would show the depth of their contempt for Factional Warfare, a feature which was supposed to change the face of New Eden. ---
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Atraxerxes
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.06.19 22:06:00 -
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I support this measure more so for my fellow corp mates and former FW pilots who helped capture a lot of Gal space but either left before all systems were captured or right after they were.
Please guys take it easy on CCP, as to an extent it was just the rarest bunch of coincidences that caused the 22nd not to get our medals and there were a large number of pilots who deserved this medal that received it.
Flaming the medal as a fail belittles those who earned it and got it.
While making the medal I'm sure was a very easy thing to do given any corp could easily duplicate it. The devs actually getting together to acknowledge a game event like this is rare and short of Alliance tourney trophies, I can't think of to many.
AX
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Erik Finnegan
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Posted - 2009.06.19 23:06:00 -
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So true.
Let's see, if the CSM can make an exception to the seven-day rule for issues on the Assembly Hall. |

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.06.20 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Finnegan So true.
Let's see, if the CSM can make an exception to the seven-day rule for issues on the Assembly Hall.
Big facepalm, you want to bypass the rules just because you like a proposal? No wait, you want to break the rules and speed this up because of a medal? That's the big emergency? Jesus christ, GTFO out of the CSM please.
Supporting this wonderful proposal despite shockingly bad behavior from Erik Finnegan. |
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Jason Foster
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.20 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jason Foster on 20/06/2009 03:48:15 Supported! |

Roblight
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Posted - 2009.06.20 03:59:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Roblight on 20/06/2009 03:59:27 supported |

Terik Voth
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.20 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: Terik Voth on 20/06/2009 04:01:03 Supported |

Carlis Monde
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.20 06:11:00 -
[64]
fully support
Quote: WTS: Sarcasm Detector II cheap with logic brain chip and humour mood.
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Hotep Shakkara
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Posted - 2009.06.21 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Big facepalm, you want to bypass the rules just because you like a proposal? No wait, you want to break the rules and speed this up because of a medal? That's the big emergency? Jesus christ, GTFO out of the CSM please.
Supporting this wonderful proposal despite shockingly bad behavior from Erik Finnegan.
Actually Erik SHOULD bring it up early, if this goes through the CSM process then we have to wait another two months before someone in Iceland first hears of it, and then another month till it gets fixed. CCP needs to get a letter on their desk TODAY.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
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Posted - 2009.06.21 11:55:00 -
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Definetely. I would be bummed if I was in their shoes to be honest. |

X Gallentius
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.06.21 15:41:00 -
[67]
/signed |

Capt Kaos
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.21 16:54:00 -
[68]
I support this message.
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Onezen
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:41:00 -
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The 22nd was the driving force to those plexes being taken and the systems being won.
They deserve this medal and the recognition that goes along with it.
Do the right thing CCP.
/signed and supported. |

Kralin Ignatov
Mentis Fidelis Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.21 23:17:00 -
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 22/06/2009 02:51:02 I don't have anything to do with FW, but I do think this needs to be fixed.
They did the work, so at least give them the medal |

Halo
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.22 07:23:00 -
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Supported
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Targor Avelany
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.06.22 15:16:00 -
[73]
supported |

Happy Joymaker
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 20:53:00 -
[74]
No brainer - support |

Monavic Doombringer
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Posted - 2009.06.25 09:10:00 -
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Thanks chatgris for the support. |

Decon Ko
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Posted - 2009.06.25 14:17:00 -
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/signed
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Jerus Light
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:30:00 -
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Agreed
Regards,
Jerus.
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Mantarro
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:35:00 -
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/signed
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sporkmonger
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.07.01 17:15:00 -
[79]
Obviously self-interested here, but supported!
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Kytanos Termek
Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:42:00 -
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Im not even involved in faction warfare. Yet I think it's only fair. (no pun intended).
supported.
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Kalvin Moonshine
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:47:00 -
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Supported.
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CaberwolfInSpace
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:52:00 -
[82]
Supported
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jandra redemption
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:56:00 -
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supported, I did nothing to deserve the medal but I have it.
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Wallinstar
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Posted - 2009.07.10 10:08:00 -
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There are some stories regarding this e-medal.
Just look at my employment history, rank vps etc. Yap I did not get it! Just because I wanted to try the bloody epic arc
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Kai Misu
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.07.10 12:37:00 -
[85]
supported
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Siiee
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Posted - 2009.07.11 10:17:00 -
[86]
Supported
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Daffyd Bowie
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Posted - 2009.07.11 17:30:00 -
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Not an fw player and don't even bother following it but I read about this in the warfare forum. Why is it players should even have to put up threads like this?
CCP creates a major upgrade in the game and then, when thousands of players get into it, they screw it up majorly and act like it doesn't matter. It matters. Fix this before it goes any further CCP. The people earned the medal, whether they met the arbitrary date you pulled out of your @$$ or not.
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