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Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 2	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:02:00 - [1] - Quote There is a potential change in the way that people are tracked on the net.. It is being discussed in UK that they will have to supply their real names and possibly details. How do you feel about this. Is the"Eve Paradox" reliant on anonymity and do you think you would post on these forums if you had to supply RL details? Reason I started this in the Eve discussion is could impact the Eve community because TQ resides in the UK so this would affect all pod pilots. I don't know whether it would be mandatory to release said details or what could be done with these (besides being sold on to raise cash) but this is a potential bombshell imo. Comments?
Jokerface666 Ever Flow Northern Coalition. 6	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:13:00 - [2] - Quote Real world detaiils = instant unsub.... srsly, i do not want 300k people to be able to acces my phone number or even adress. ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 44	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:15:00 - [3] - Quote Jokerface666 wrote: Real world detaiils = instant unsub.... srsly, i do not want 300k people to be able to acces my phone number or even adress. im sure that 300k people dont want your number either
ThisIsntMyMain Republic University Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:19:00 - [4] - Quote Skippermonkey wrote: Jokerface666 wrote: Real world detaiils = instant unsub.... srsly, i do not want 300k people to be able to acces my phone number or even adress. im sure that 300k people dont want your number either No, but unfortunately even one of them is 1 too many.
3of5 League Of Shadows. 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:22:00 - [5] - Quote would it be possible to get a link to this information please?
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 92	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:23:00 - [6] - Quote You don't identify yourself to everyone. If such a thing is made law it is probably a option of the government to receive this kind of information if they deem so needed. Privacy laws are very strict in Europe, putting everyone's information accessible online is not in line with this. Besides, you lot are not that interesting. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Nyio Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 64	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:25:00 - [7] - Quote The majority would never agree to have that I think, I know I wouldn't. Those of you that was around when SCII and battle.net launched know what I mean. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here..
Xuse Senna Crytec Enterprises 4	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:26:00 - [8] - Quote This will never happen.
Dirk Magnum Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:27:00 - [9] - Quote I've used an email address containing my real name to register for some Eve stuff. A diligent researcher could probably sort through my long history of drunk posts and confessions of uncouth personal conduct if they really wanted to. But if I had to have my real name listed under my character name or something then I doubt I'd post any more often than I do on Facebook (two or three posts a month at most.)
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement 108	Posted - 2011.09.16 11:35:00 - [10] - Quote OP is talking rubbish http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png

Florestan Bronstein United Engineering Services 43	Posted - 2011.09.16 12:02:00 - [11] - Quote RaTTuS wrote: OP is talking rubbish not as unlikely as you think S. Korea had a severe problem with internet stalking (several celebrities committing suicide over online rumors/troll posts/stalking) and now many websites require you to provide your real name and resident registration number when registering an account. This information is of course not displayed to other users but stored by the site provider to ensure accountability and responsible behavior.
Mr M Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 5	Posted - 2011.09.16 12:19:00 - [12] - Quote Klandi wrote: How do you feel about this. Is the"Eve Paradox" reliant on anonymity and do you think you would post on these forums if you had to supply RL details? I don't care really. And since I already have a couple of domains registered with my name it would be really easy to find out who I am and where I live. Write for the Eve Tribune

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance 140	Posted - 2011.09.16 12:25:00 - [13] - Quote Hi, While I understand the reason for creating this thread in "EVE General Discussion", I think it still belongs in OOPE -- so moving it here. CCP Spitfire \| Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire

Mercurye Nubian Sundance 0	Posted - 2011.09.16 12:49:00 - [14] - Quote I would be more worried about being stalked and blackmailed than about my own criminal activities My personal/love life is not included in some creeper's subscription and neither is his. I'd like to keep it that way
Nth Ares Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.09.16 13:55:00 - [15] - Quote publicized RL details = instant unsub, and I won't look back I go to online games to get AWAY from the real world. Also, even if a person is not that interesting to the public, chances are there is at least one person out there who is VERY interested in you in a not-so-good way, and real names give them yet another avenue to get at you. Police don't act at all until there is an obvious threat of physical violence, and may be too late when it gets to that. I know people who have been stalked IRL and it is NOT a joke, it is really disturbing and harmful.
Bane Necran 37	Posted - 2011.09.16 15:36:00 - [16] - Quote Sounds similar to what Stephen Harper has sworn to do with Canadian internet usage. 'They' want this, and will get it eventually.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2	Posted - 2011.09.16 15:56:00 - [17] - Quote The end result will be to track everything you say and if government (dys)functionaries don't agree with any criticism you post, anywhere, they can ninny and say they feel threatened just to get you rolled up and shut up. And if you don't think that can happen, don't forget a lot of people were gassed in death camps while expecting only a shower. They were fooled, and you can be fooled too.
Sidus Isaacs Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.09.16 20:15:00 - [18] - Quote I reject the idea. And I will not take part in it. Fortunatly for me I live in a more sane country, for now.
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.09.17 01:48:00 - [19] - Quote I see this issue pop up from time to time, but there's a big logical disconnect between the tinfoil hats and the concerned citizen...which is that we already supply our real names and 'details' for billing info, and that's already available to governments (though this might make things easier or remove 'red tape'.) through both the game company and the ISP. If you're a tinfoil hat, you're already afraid of this because it's a reality. If you're a concerned citizen, nothing new has happened to be alarmed about. For this to matter to you at all, you would need to be playing a free game on a free internet connection and that game would have to pop up with something stopping you from playing until you supply a name with something included to prevent you from lying. Probably something like paypal; a demand for a small amount of money like two cents paid electronically just to collect and prove your billing info... which you could decline and stop playing if you are so worried about your comments being viewable by the government. I've never seen a law that says we'd have to put our names and details up for other players in the game... That would be the game changer for a lot of people. If you have one of those to link, I'd love to see that, but I don't think that's on the agenda for any government as even in the realm of tinfoil hats it doesn't really serve their purposes when they already have our names themselves. Information control would actually make it more in their interest to NOT force that so the information was theirs alone to work with and give out or conceal.
SpaceSquirrels Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe 1	Posted - 2011.09.17 04:26:00 - [20] - Quote Lol i kinda liked it in Ender's game people had to be approved to voice their opinions on the net (or official type places on the net). However the government knowing your net info isn't the problem... They already do and already can, and if you pay taxes probably already know where you live.... So who cares? (Now if you want to argue should they have it...it's another story) The problem lies in others, and ways to steal your identity or use information for other mal intent. And more sites having your data means more likelihood of other getting a hold of it. Lets face it most people could careless, but the crazy ones...and their on the internet with a ton of time! Hell just look at last weeks news cartels in mexico tortured people they found using social networking sites. You want to make it easier for these psychos to track people down? TMI applies on the internet. Especially if you got something to say that someone else doesn't like... Which pretty much means anything you say someone wont like.

Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2011.09.17 05:43:00 - [21] - Quote It really boils down to whether the people posting information on the internet are being truthful at all with the information they are providing. Even online transactions can lead to nowhere if the user knows how to do it.
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2011.09.17 06:12:00 - [22] - Quote SpaceSquirrels wrote: TMI applies on the internet. Especially if you got something to say that someone else doesn't like... Which pretty much means anything you say someone wont like. This is something I wish more people would recognize. A lot of these kinds of debates about anonymity devolve into flame wars over a few shallow points and this is one of them. The 'you shouldn't have anything to hide' crap. If you're talking to one person, sure, I'm honest and have nothing to hide. If we come to a disagreement we both are expected to be civil. But talking openly to millions who may read your statement at any time over potentially the rest of your life is very different. Someone out there is offended by almost anything you can think of. Someone out there will take a statement the wrong way, no matter how well you word it. Someone out there is going to make a decision about your life like an employer, someone you ask out on a date, someone who evaluates you for an organ transplant list, and they won't be as smart as you or worse they'll be smarter than you are or know more than you do. Even just looking at VOLUME of statements. You don't want someone trying to interpret years of statements to wildly different audiences in a few minutes and coming up with a snap judgement. Complete anonymity is unrealistic, but availability to anyone is a possibility you should fight to keep from being realized.
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2011.09.17 07:53:00 - [23] - Quote call tinfoil on me if you want but.... -If I had to disclose who I was in order to post on the internet, there is no way I would do it. I'd probably stop posting altogether as would most people (or drastically reduce activity and certainly self-censor). It wouldn't be the same, it would be a facade/mockery/parody of it's original unbridled self. -Now consider for a moment, many people in positions of power are intimidated and threatened by the leverage provided by the social movement/internet/communication revolution. All you have to do is see that while this is a tool for 'little people' everywhere, governments only like tools like this when they work to their advantage. A perfect example of this is the hypocrisy displayed by western governments who will cheer organized dissonance fueled by social networking in countries with governments they do not like, while condemning the very same networks and social revolutions when they create actions that run counter to their goals withing their country or in countries similar to/friendly with their own. People in power like you to be vocal and enthusiastic when you support them. They want you to get together in big crowds and amplify your voice when you support them. Not so much when you don't. So, put yourself in the shoes of those in positions of influence and power. How do you limit this environment to preserve your status quo and stifle any risk of mass organizations you do not condone? Remove all ability for anonymity. This gains them the best of both worlds. You allow the perception of freedom of speech, preserve the environment that provides you with so many other gains (commerce to name one) while knowing that people will not actually speak their minds in matters of radical/revolutionary talk for fear of backlash, whether from the government/powers that be themselves or other extremist proponents acting independently. It is, in my humble opinion, imperative for anonymity to be preserved on the internet. It should be and hopefully one day will be regarded as a right. I feel forcing people to display their identity when expressing opinions and ideas on the internet to be outright stifling of free speech and on par with actions like warrant-less wiretapping. While this may seem to be a nonsensical association at first glance I'm sure many can agree that there are valid parallels. At the end of the day you are silencing political dissent. In an advanced and intelligent society (relatively speaking) such as our own, positive development of the free world depends on the ability to freely share ideas. Democracy is built on this. If you doubt that, then consider for a moment what Democracy might become if you were forced to openly identify how you vote.... hmmm, is it possible anonymity there and here is related? Is it possible one is just as important as the other? In the free world (again, relatively speaking)... in democracy, we live or die by the ability to challenge and debate standing ideas in a scene where said ideas are voiced, measured and challenged for what they are. To remove anonymity from the platform would warp that setting to one where ideas and thought may no longer be countered in kind. This is tantamount to removing the platform entirely. The US Air Force may have invented computer networking, but society as a whole developed the internet. I would say that it belongs to us all and we have a responsibility to guarantee that it exists for us all, not to be perverted, limited or stifled by an elite few who wish to bend it to serve their personal agendas.
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2011.09.17 09:56:00 - [24] - Quote Pr1ncess Alia wrote: Now consider for a moment, many people in positions of power are intimidated and threatened by the leverage provided by the social movement/internet/communication revolution. You used a little slight of keyboard to try and link this topic to general guerrilla communications, but there's a disconnect there in that we already have tools to accomplish those things that laws can't actually govern for exactly the topic's reason; they are nearly impossible to trace. It happens every day with China, and was instrumental in some of the recent events in t he middle east. Granted, it's more technical than signing up for a web board or making a FB... but web boards weren't safe for that level of secrecy a decade ago. This law doesn't affect those issues.
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2011.09.17 10:29:00 - [25] - Quote VKhaun Vex wrote: Pr1ncess Alia wrote: Now consider for a moment, many people in positions of power are intimidated and threatened by the leverage provided by the social movement/internet/communication revolution. You used a little slight of keyboard to try and link this topic to general guerrilla communications, but there's a disconnect there in that we already have tools to accomplish those things that laws can't actually govern for exactly the topic's reason; they are nearly impossible to trace. It happens every day with China, and was instrumental in some of the recent events in t he middle east. Granted, it's more technical than signing up for a web board or making a FB... but web boards weren't safe for that level of secrecy a decade ago. This law doesn't affect those issues. I didn't intend it to mean guerrilla communications but I suppose thats valid to take out of what I said. My intention was more regarding civil discussion, dissent and disobedience which I think is required to keep a democracy healthy and inline 'by and for the people' instead of the alternative. Then again, the line between civil dissent and guerrilla/revolutionary action can be similar to the line between ugly and beautiful... all in the eye of the beholder. The ability to speak openly without fear of repercussion beyond debate is one of the things that keeps our civil discourse from becoming uncivil and it protects us from needing secretive and secure guerrilla communications altogether. Just as I can write a letter to the editor to be printed without including my real name and address, just as I can protest a business without registering who I am with the authorities or the people I'm protesting, it's my opinion we should be able to engage in open and anonymous communications on the internet with the same expectation of privacy.
Myxx Atropos Group 53	Posted - 2011.09.17 16:21:00 - [26] - Quote ThisIsntMyMain wrote: Skippermonkey wrote: Jokerface666 wrote: Real world detaiils = instant unsub.... srsly, i do not want 300k people to be able to acces my phone number or even adress. im sure that 300k people dont want your number either No, but unfortunately even one of them is 1 too many. ^
Bane Necran 48	Posted - 2011.09.17 16:43:00 - [27] - Quote VKhaun Vex wrote: If you're a tinfoil hat, you're already afraid of this because it's a reality. If you're a concerned citizen, nothing new has happened to be alarmed about. So you spend your entire life never worrying about things unless everyone else is worried? Maybe when the TV tells you something is a problem? It's really easy to just sit back and deny things, on the basis that if it were a real possibility everyone would be worried. People like yourself make up a large part of the population, and that's fine, really, just don't start insulting people who think for themselves. It's them who always see future problems before the majority. Even if there are people out there claiming all kinds of crazy things, it doesn't mean you should ignore everything that goes against popular opinion. And to just call an opinion 'tinfoil hat' is very ignorant and dismissive. In my case, the Prime Minister of Canada has sworn to put things like this in place, has drawn up extremely totalitarian internet legislation which he's going to attempt to pass, and you're saying it's nothing to worry about, because you haven't come into contact with such information in your little bubble. By the time it's finally on TV, and in your realm of understanding, it will be fait accompli.
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2011.09.17 19:28:00 - [28] - Quote Bane Necran wrote: OH GOD I'M SO ANGRY AT YOU FOR THINGS YOU DIDN'T SAY lol he mad. I don't even own a TV lol...
Bane Necran 48	Posted - 2011.09.17 22:39:00 - [29] - Quote VKhaun Vex wrote: Bane Necran wrote: OH GOD I'M SO ANGRY AT YOU FOR THINGS YOU DIDN'T SAY lol he mad. I don't even own a TV lol... Whether or not you own a TV, you're still living in a consensus trance. Not sure why you think i'm mad, and dismissing all the rational points i made. Maybe that's just more avoidance? Little cognitive dissonance going on, maybe?
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2011.09.17 23:32:00 - [30] - Quote Bane Necran wrote: ...all the rational points i made. lol...



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