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Hayden Altier
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.06.19 15:36:00 -
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So here goes.. First post
I started my adventure a little over 17 days ago, the whole time listening to poeple say go to a cruiser asap. I have been flying a rifter and loving it. Last night I dumped ISK into a thorax and found myself asking what the big deal was, or am I missing something?
I am running Lvl 2 missions in the rifter and having a blast, the thorax felt slow, clusmy and all together wrong. I do realize that there will be a learning curve to a new ship class, but after 1 night in the Thorax I was half tempted to bag it and skill up for an AF. So I guess what I am asking is, should I just give it some more time or go with my gut and fly what I find fun? |
Shemhamphorash
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Posted - 2009.06.19 15:46:00 -
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Firstly I wouldnt start mixing up races so soon in your eve carrier.. If you like your rifter, maybe stick with minmatar and skill for a minmatar cruiser like the stabber. People use cruisers in lvl2 missions cause it's easier to tank, but you still need to use small guns, cause the npc are mostly frigs. Rifter is a good frig alltogether and if it works for you, why bother changing? |
Syringe
Oedipus Complex
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Posted - 2009.06.19 16:25:00 -
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Fly what you find fun. It's your $15/mo. - do whatever the hell you want.
Cruisers are the logical next step, and it'll take some time to figure out how the hell to fit the things (if you're goin down this road, I'd recommend the vexor and just let your drones do all the mission work - this is good for grinding, but pretty damn boring), but if you're having more fun doin L2's in a rifter, and capable of doing them, to hell with what other people think.
The thorax is focused mostly on high-DPS, reduced tank and microwarp drive speed. Not terrifically suited for missioning anyway - it's more PvP atm. Not saying it can't do missions, it's just not geared for it. |
Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2009.06.19 16:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Shemhamphorash
maybe stick with minmatar and skill for a minmatar cruiser like the stabber.
I think you meant to say Rupture. This will eat Frigates, and still have a good punch in close for the few cruisers that you do experience.
You could sub out a cap recharger for a web too, if you are having any problems hitting frigs in orbit with your AC's.
[Rupture, Level 2 Rupture]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Valkyrie II x1
Warrior II x4
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.19 17:09:00 -
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You went from a minnie frigate to a gallente cruiser. One of the difference between the two races is that minnie is more agile and faster, while gallente tanks better and deals more damage. Frigates do more 'dogfighting' anyway and the bigger the ships get, the more 'bricks in space' they become.
Hence the reason for people to use all kinda of funky T2/T3 or faction ships, not neccesarily because they're 'better' or faster but because it's less boring. I would however NOT advise you to train for AF's right now. Those ships only work as advertised once you have all the support skills done. If you don't then it'll be a VERY expensive frigate (loss) while only being marginally better.
Follow the 'normal' route of T1 ships with T2 fitting and proper support skills. Gives you more options to specialise later on.
Adding tho that; bigger ships require more support skills. In a frigate you can get away with crappy navigation skills, gunnery support (specially on the rifter as it gets a tracking bonus) etc etc. But bigger ships are more unforgiving when it comes to that. It's also the reason why people shouldn't jump into a BS once they have the minimal required skills; they just don't work till you have all the skills up.
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Elric Redeye
Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2009.06.19 17:13:00 -
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Depends. Do whatever floats your boat for fun. But for earning more ISK, LP, and standing you'll do it faster in a Cruiser for L2's. Don't mix races so soon. That is a waste of limited training time.
The Rifter spoils you for speed. When you move up to a cruiser for L2's you should learn a new approach. The Rifter was so fast you could just burn from target to target. I found arty-equipped Rupture worked well in L2's but you learn to keep your distance instead. Every bigger ship feels slower than the last class. Wait until you're flying Battleships and yelling at the screen because your so-called-fast Maelstrom aligns like a loaded mining barge... |
Shemhamphorash
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Posted - 2009.06.19 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Beverly Sparks
Originally by: Shemhamphorash
maybe stick with minmatar and skill for a minmatar cruiser like the stabber.
I think you meant to say Rupture. This will eat Frigates, and still have a good punch in close for the few cruisers that you do experience.
You could sub out a cap recharger for a web too, if you are having any problems hitting frigs in orbit with your AC's.
[Rupture, Level 2 Rupture]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Valkyrie II x1
Warrior II x4
Nah, did mean stabber, thought that could be a bit faster since that is what he likes ;) But I'm no minnie pilot.. |
Hayden Altier
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.06.19 18:21:00 -
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Thanks for all the info! I think you are correct, that the rifter has spoiled me as far as speed. Mixing between minni and gallente ships I understand slows down, and spreads out my sill training..But I did not start this game with the intent of being able to do X in six weeks, then 3 months to Y..
I have jumped to Eve from a "shall not be mentioned" MMO, and I do not what to turn this game into the rat race that was the "shall not be mentioned" so I dont mind spreading out skill training.. I have time.
So one final question, is there always a place for frigs, or are they just a stepping stone? |
Shemhamphorash
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Posted - 2009.06.19 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Shemhamphorash on 19/06/2009 18:45:32
Always a place for frigs. Rifter is an intie killer in the right hands.. Now stop playing WOW and get into EVE!! |
Hayden Altier
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.06.19 18:59:00 -
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You would be happy to know that i killed my WoW account 2 weeks ago.. I AM DONE!
Thx again for all the help!
Fly safe |
Rheed
Precision Warfare Network
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Posted - 2009.06.19 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shemhamphorash
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
Originally by: Shemhamphorash
maybe stick with minmatar and skill for a minmatar cruiser like the stabber.
I think you meant to say Rupture. This will eat Frigates, and still have a good punch in close for the few cruisers that you do experience.
You could sub out a cap recharger for a web too, if you are having any problems hitting frigs in orbit with your AC's.
[Rupture, Level 2 Rupture]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Projectile Ambit Extension I
Valkyrie II x1
Warrior II x4
Nah, did mean stabber, thought that could be a bit faster since that is what he likes ;) But I'm no minnie pilot..
Stabbers are awesome for pvp (hit and run, control range, ease of GTFO) vagabond practice
Ruptures are awesome for pvp (tanking and short range face melting) and pve.
both are awesome ships and have specific tactics and situational needs. |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.19 19:29:00 -
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Go for the AF imo. Could even try an inty if you really like speed  .
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 07:39:00 -
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Destroyers man, try em out.
The thrill of going F1-f7 on a ship is something you just have to expirence.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.20 09:35:00 -
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You're using a PvP cruiser for PvE, of course you're not going to be happy with it. Get a Caracal with assault launchers and effortlessly run every level 2 mission, then upgrade to a heavy missile Drake ASAP to do the same for level 3s.
Or, if you absolutely must fly a Gallente ship, get a Vexor, it's MUCH better for PvE.
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KiloAlpha
Southern Cross Trilogy
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Posted - 2009.06.20 11:21:00 -
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if u like fast ships train for stabber(vagabond down the road). once u have med gun skills and support move up to the hurricane and let the ganking begin
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