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xXxZeroCoolxXx
Caldari
Copia-WarRages Armaments
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Posted - 2009.06.21 11:31:00 -
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So after getting into the whole complex stuff, I've been wondering everytime when I scan one down, if it's worth it or not?
Looking for answers to this on the web didn't help much either esspecially because a lot of stuff on plexing is outdated.
Also any point in doing Cosmic annos? Like hubs, drone swarms/herds or sanctums?
Anyone that can say a name of a plex, add a rough number of possible value and if it can escalte or not please do.
I'll list any answers here.
Also what drops the rogue drone BPCs?
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xXxZeroCoolxXx
Caldari
Copia-WarRages Armaments
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Posted - 2009.06.21 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: xXxZeroCoolxXx on 21/06/2009 12:03:34
List of complexes
Name Value
Blood raider hidden hub
Blood raider forlorn hub
Blood haven
Blood port
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Canute Minealot
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Posted - 2009.06.21 13:13:00 -
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just Militaere complex is a signature, thats what people call it Complex.
the others are just Anomalies.
Anomalies are good for Bounty,Loot,Salvage.
Signature are good for Bounty,Loot,Salvage good chance for Faction spawn, rare chance for escalation
Escalation/Expedition are good for Bounty,Loot,Salvage, 1 faction spawn each step, Deadspace loot at the last Stage of the Escalation Chain.
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Hereon Herinnger
Gallente
Nolra Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.21 19:50:00 -
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(This experience is from Serpentis but...) I find Port is the only worthwhile lowsec anomaly. |
xXxZeroCoolxXx
Caldari
Copia-WarRages Armaments
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Posted - 2009.06.21 20:08:00 -
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come on peeps toss sum intel
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Rainhailer
Gallente
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 03:45:00 -
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50 mil and I'll give you my notes on serpentis radar sites in lowsec. Every race has equivalent sites. |
Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:36:00 -
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Isnt signature and anamoly the same?
Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Kithran
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:59:00 -
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I did my first complex this weekend. It was called Angel Lookout. I had a total of 4 escalations but nothing special at the end. I had a Domination rat spawn at each bar the final site, and one of those dropped a Domination Warp Disruptor which has Want to Buy offers up at Jita of about 148 mil, so I'd say it was worth doing.
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Canute Minealot
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Posted - 2009.06.22 10:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Isnt signature and anamoly the same?
Since you are an Admiral, you should fire your Staff because they gave you wrong informations.
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Somvera
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Posted - 2009.06.22 21:45:00 -
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I think they are worth it, just yesterday I did 2 Sig sites i scanned down, 1 in a .5 and one in a .3 Got a 65 mil isk implant from one and a 135 mil implant from the other. Lol i didnt even bother with the rest of the loot and salvage.
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Swearte Widfarend
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Posted - 2009.06.22 21:48:00 -
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I just did a Serpentis Data Center or something like that, with hackable cans. If you don't do R&D you kill maybe 8-10 standard frigs and dessys, hack the cans and get an additional 10 mil in datacores/decryptors/skillbooks...not bad for 5 minutes of scanning and maybe 10 minutes of fighting... |
Franko Scalzi
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Posted - 2009.06.24 02:09:00 -
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Just starting to look into these things so i have some noobish questions if you dont mind:
1. are these complexes found using the onboard scanner or the scan probes? (or can you use either/both)
2. do they stay or are they temporary? If I find one could I bookmark it and come back later
3. These are all places that dont have beacons right? so they dont show up in the system overview unless you actually scan then down?
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Drakarin
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Franko Scalzi
Just starting to look into these things so i have some noobish questions if you dont mind:
1. are these complexes found using the onboard scanner or the scan probes? (or can you use either/both)
2. do they stay or are they temporary? If I find one could I bookmark it and come back later
3. These are all places that dont have beacons right? so they dont show up in the system overview unless you actually scan then down?
1 - You need to train the skill astreometrics, then buy a probe launcher which takes a high module slot. Then you buy some basic core launchers for it, and you're off. The actual process of scanning down a site can be overwhelming at first but it's really fun to learn it.
2 - As far as I know, they stay until the server downtime. Though sometimes mine disappear after I've cleared my way through pure combat complexes like Serpentis hideouts.
3 - Yup.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2009.06.24 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Franko Scalzi
2. do they stay or are they temporary? If I find one could I bookmark it and come back later
Just correcting the post above me..
Sites stay initial 72hrs after being scanned down.
If nobody bothers with it, it disappears after that timeframe.
If you should enter a site a new timer is started.. again 72hrs.
The site then despawns automatically after that timeframe or by triggering the despawn and leaving the site (shooting a special npc for example).
Also.. skills.
If you don't want to scratch your head, why you don't get that 97.5% signal strength site later on, better learn these skills also to some degree:
- Astrometric Acquistion
- Astrometric Rangefinding
- Astrometric Pinpointing
And consider to get this equipment if youre serious about it:
- Cov Ops
- Sistes Core Probe Launcher
- Sisters Core Probes (field 8+ and scan with 4 of them)
- Gravity Capacitor Upgrade Rig
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Millimage
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.06.24 10:43:00 -
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There seems to be a lot of confusion about the exploration sites, anomalies and the rest. Here's how I understand them, writing it out in hopes that it'll help others. If I'm dead wrong on something, please correct me.
First some terms (as I use them):
- Complex, plex = Deadspace complex. Any site that is accessible through a warpgate and where deadspace rules apply. Can contain several 'rooms' connected by gates. Some complexes are rated for difficulty from 1 to 10, with 10/10 being the hardest.
- Cosmic anomaly = Easy combat sites which can be found using the onboard directional scanner (in addition to probing).
- Site = An exploration site. Any site that can only be found using scanner probes.
Deadspace complexes are basically just like missions. You warp in, kill stuff, loot stuff, maybe trigger events while doing these etc.. It's really just a name for certain type of locations in space, but it is often used in place of 'exploration site' which causes all sorts of confusion. Some complexes are marked with beacons by CONCORD and are visible for anyone (with correct overview settings). These are so called static complexes and they tend to be farmed out immediately after downtime.
Cosmic anomalies are easy combat sites (somewhere a tad above belt ratting in difficulty) which provide a way for anyone to do some combat without running missions. Anomalies can be located by using the onboard directional scanner or by probing. Both give you a warpable result if the anomaly is within range, no matter what the scan range used (i.e. these don't have to be probed down, a simple hit on one probe is enough). Anomalies have a small chance of escalation (starting a chain of "exploration missions") which can make them somewhat more appealing than belt ratting.
Exploration sites are hidden location in space which can only be found by probing. They come in different types and difficulties which directly relates to the ease of pinpointing them with the probes. Some exploration sites are deadspace complexes (mainly combat sites), which is why the terms are sometimes used interchangeably.
Exploration sites come in the following flavors:
- Gravimetric sites = Hidden asteroid fields (mining).
- Ladar sites = Hidden gas clouds (gas harvesting).
- Radar sites = Sites with cans requiring hacking (codebreaker).
- Magnetometric = Sites with cans requiring archaeology or salvaging (analyzer & salvager).
- Unknown sites = Combat sites or wormholes.
The unknown combat sites are deadspace complexes, some of which are rated while others are not. The unrated unknown combat sites are the only ones that can escalate.
From my experience the most profitable (profit vs. difficulty) exploration sites are the radar hacking sites which can drop very nice data interfaces, decryptors and the occasional BPC. The harder combat sites naturally drop more loot and salvage, but require a lot more work for the money.
Anyway, that's how I've figured out the whole exploration site domain. Please correct me for any errors.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.24 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rainhailer
50 mil and I'll give you my notes on serpentis radar sites in lowsec. Every race has equivalent sites.
If signatureType = radar then engage
else continue scanning
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SFM Hobb3s
Frontier United Corp Klan
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Posted - 2009.06.24 12:29:00 -
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I did a whole slew of combat sites yesterday...got and sold several faction mods, 3 low-grade crystal implants (2 epsilon, 1 gamma), and 1 pithum c-type medium shield booster, which I just sold for nearly 700 million. So for a few hours work, I cleared nearly a billion!
My best piece of advice, fit an afterburner! I went into a guristas lookout in .6 (the one with the satellite dish in the second room), and there were two battlecruisers already killing the rats. We all made it to the second room at the same time, but they couldn't help but watch as I scooted past them, killed the dish, and walked off with 4 faction mods, including that shield booster :) Yoink!
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JuicyCakes
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Posted - 2009.06.24 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: JuicyCakes on 24/06/2009 16:32:15
Edited by: JuicyCakes on 24/06/2009 16:28:37
Originally by: SFM Hobb3s
I did a whole slew of combat sites yesterday...got and sold several faction mods, 3 low-grade crystal implants (2 epsilon, 1 gamma), and 1 pithum c-type medium shield booster, which I just sold for nearly 700 million. So for a few hours work, I cleared nearly a billion!
My best piece of advice, fit an afterburner! I went into a guristas lookout in .6 (the one with the satellite dish in the second room), and there were two battlecruisers already killing the rats. We all made it to the second room at the same time, but they couldn't help but watch as I scooted past them, killed the dish, and walked off with 4 faction mods, including that shield booster :) Yoink!
Quite sure as Guristas Lookout is a Cosmic Anomaly and isn't a DED plex, it doesn't drop deadspace mods. It may drop faction (i.e. Dreads Guristas) mods. You got that shield booster elsewhere in a 4/10 (probably an escalation) :p
Also, to the OP. Take everyone's post here with a grain of salt (including my I guess :p). If they/I tell you where to find stuff, they/I wouldn't make as much isk in the long run :)
Just a hint though. Highsec Cosmic Anomalies are NOT worth it (statistically speaking). Highsec unknown combat sites are worth it if and only if it's a DED rated plex (statistically speaking). Lowsec CA/unknown combat sites are worth it if it's a DED rated plex OR you want to farm rats. |
SFM Hobb3s
Frontier United Corp Klan
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Posted - 2009.06.24 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: JuicyCakes
Edited by: JuicyCakes on 24/06/2009 16:32:15
Edited by: JuicyCakes on 24/06/2009 16:28:37
Originally by: SFM Hobb3s
I did a whole slew of combat sites yesterday...got and sold several faction mods, 3 low-grade crystal implants (2 epsilon, 1 gamma), and 1 pithum c-type medium shield booster, which I just sold for nearly 700 million. So for a few hours work, I cleared nearly a billion!
My best piece of advice, fit an afterburner! I went into a guristas lookout in .6 (the one with the satellite dish in the second room), and there were two battlecruisers already killing the rats. We all made it to the second room at the same time, but they couldn't help but watch as I scooted past them, killed the dish, and walked off with 4 faction mods, including that shield booster :) Yoink!
Quite sure as Guristas Lookout is a Cosmic Anomaly and isn't a DED plex, it doesn't drop deadspace mods. It may drop faction (i.e. Dreads Guristas) mods. You got that shield booster elsewhere in a 4/10 (probably an escalation) :p
Also, to the OP. Take everyone's post here with a grain of salt (including my I guess :p). If they/I tell you where to find stuff, they/I wouldn't make as much isk in the long run :)
Just a hint though. Highsec Cosmic Anomalies are NOT worth it (statistically speaking). Highsec unknown combat sites are worth it if and only if it's a DED rated plex (statistically speaking). Lowsec CA/unknown combat sites are worth it if it's a DED rated plex OR you want to farm rats.
I took a screenshot of the haul, I'll be happy to post a link to it once I get home tonight :)
IMHO, hisec unknown combat sites are worth it, especially for players who don't get to spend hours a day missioning. I made more on several combat sites last night than I have doing a few months of missioning (at a medium pace)
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JuicyCakes
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Posted - 2009.06.24 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: JuicyCakes on 24/06/2009 16:51:50
Originally by: SFM Hobb3s
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You got it from an "Guristas Scout Outpost" didn't you? :) I don't doubt you got the loot. Just that you didn't get it from a Guristas Lookout.
Yea I agree highsec combat sites are awesome. But you have to find the DED rated ones. Stay in caldari space btw. It has the best lootz :p
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Darekh
The All-Seeing Eye
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Posted - 2009.06.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: JuicyCakes
Edited by: JuicyCakes on 24/06/2009 16:51:50
Originally by: SFM Hobb3s
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You got it from an "Guristas Scout Outpost" didn't you? :) I don't doubt you got the loot. Just that you didn't get it from a Guristas Lookout.
Yea I agree highsec combat sites are awesome. But you have to find the DED rated ones. Stay in caldari space btw. It has the best lootz :p
And the most crowded systems.
My opinion is : If u want to make a lot of money quickly try to find a less populated lowsec region (10-12 systems will be enough) scan them every 2-3 days. Sure thing u will find 3-4 4/10 and 1-2 6/10. U can solo them so u don't have to split the money. Just pray for good loot! :)
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JuicyCakes
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Posted - 2009.06.25 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Darekh
Originally by: JuicyCakes
Edited by: JuicyCakes on 24/06/2009 16:51:50
Originally by: SFM Hobb3s
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You got it from an "Guristas Scout Outpost" didn't you? :) I don't doubt you got the loot. Just that you didn't get it from a Guristas Lookout.
Yea I agree highsec combat sites are awesome. But you have to find the DED rated ones. Stay in caldari space btw. It has the best lootz :p
And the most crowded systems.
My opinion is : If u want to make a lot of money quickly try to find a less populated lowsec region (10-12 systems will be enough) scan them every 2-3 days. Sure thing u will find 3-4 4/10 and 1-2 6/10. U can solo them so u don't have to split the money. Just pray for good loot! :)
Arr we probers are suppose to misdirect them! 
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Kva Plexcha
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Posted - 2009.06.25 02:00:00 -
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That is misdirection ... 4/10 plexes are in hisec, (at least the Guristas Scout Lookout) not lowsec :)
And Guristas Lookout is a signature, not an anomaly.
And you are pretty lucky, I ran it twice and got crap ... |
JuicyCakes
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Posted - 2009.06.25 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: JuicyCakes on 25/06/2009 05:42:09
Originally by: Kva Plexcha
That is misdirection ... 4/10 plexes are in hisec, (at least the Guristas Scout Lookout) not lowsec :)
And Guristas Lookout is a signature, not an anomaly.
And you are pretty lucky, I ran it twice and got crap ...
In lowsec 4/10s spawn more often than in highsec. Not a misdirection. Or IS IT?
Yea all DED plexes are signatures, not anomalies. However anomalies can escalate to DED plexes.
I also find that sites in lower security systems (<0.6) gives better loot. |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.06.25 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kva Plexcha
That is misdirection ... 4/10 plexes are in hisec, (at least the Guristas Scout Lookout) not lowsec :)
Since the complexes have been moved to exploration it is somewhat random. There used to be a fixed 4/10 in Agoze (Placid low sec, 0.2 IIRC), and AFAIK all complexes of 4/10 were situated in low sec or lower.
I recently found and ran a 4/10 in high sec so they definitely moved there too. And while the low sec instance usually yielded crap loot (Small C-Type Remote Reppers and similar useless stuff) the one in high sec had a 2.5M end boss that dropped a C-Type 10MN MWD that is on contracts for 100-200M.
It's all virtual dice rolls I guess :)
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JuicyCakes
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Posted - 2009.06.25 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: JuicyCakes on 25/06/2009 07:17:40
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Kva Plexcha
That is misdirection ... 4/10 plexes are in hisec, (at least the Guristas Scout Lookout) not lowsec :)
Since the complexes have been moved to exploration it is somewhat random. There used to be a fixed 4/10 in Agoze (Placid low sec, 0.2 IIRC), and AFAIK all complexes of 4/10 were situated in low sec or lower.
I recently found and ran a 4/10 in high sec so they definitely moved there too. And while the low sec instance usually yielded crap loot (Small C-Type Remote Reppers and similar useless stuff) the one in high sec had a 2.5M end boss that dropped a C-Type 10MN MWD that is on contracts for 100-200M.
It's all virtual dice rolls I guess :)
Arr stop giving everyone ideas But to be honest, you will find DED plexes more frequently in lowsec. In highsec, you will probably see one per 1 or 2 constellation (on average).
I suggest you guys go to blood raider space (Khanid/Kor-Azor) and farm Mua-Zatah 4/10s. They give some nice Corpum (I think) C-Type loot. Best of all, that area is usually empty, so you're less likely to encounter other probers.
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Otebski
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Posted - 2009.06.25 12:34:00 -
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From my experience angel and drone plexes are pretty worthless. Drone "faction" drop **** and I have never seen one drop a bpc yet.
As for angel... Dunno if its my luck but domination rats usually just drop a tag and faction ammo.
Right now I am on like 5th step of expedition which pulled me thru all of minnie low sec and out of 4 domination rats I got only ammo and tags. And now next step is in 0.0
I am half tempted to abandond it as risk would be way off.
I am pretty bitter after recent plexing experiences. If i spent same ammount of time missioning or mining as i spend probing i would be ablee to afford all those funky mods way easier with fraction of the risk involved.
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.25 13:06:00 -
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Avoid all rogue drone plexes, as the reward of them is directly affected by mineral market and the mineral prices are quite down atm. So even the 5/10 Outgrowth Rogue Drone Hive ones are a waste of time. Fix this CCP!!  |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
... and the mineral prices are quite down atm. ...
Not only this, but you also HAVE to loot all the wrecks to get your rewards. And then haul the cargo to a station for reprocessing, which was quite an issue when an escalation drove us into deep 0.0 a while ago. Also while looting you are vulnerable to people dropping by. We got some components for named drones apart from the alloys, but they are nigh unsellable due to limited BPC availability. I did hunt low sec drone sites after that escalation for a while but nothing yielded a BPC. |
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