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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.21 16:23:00 -
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How would you respond to the question of "how come the EVE box sells pretty much everywhere for NOTICEABLY less than a 60-day GTC, even if it DOES contain a 60-day GTC among several other things" ? Actually, the EVE-box sells for less than 1/6 of one year's subscription in a lot of places Did you at least get 22 euro per box manufactured or not ? At least close to that ? And how many boxes were manufactured ?
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:03:00 -
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That's why many existing players were buying the boxes I think. I tried to do that but they were sold out everywhere I looked.
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic That's why many existing players were buying the boxes I think. I tried to do that but they were sold out everywhere I looked.
See if there is an Atari office or distribution retailer in your vicinity. Out of office sales are quite funny.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:15:00 -
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What sites sells them for less than 60 days GTC? |
Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T How would you respond to the question of "how come the EVE box sells pretty much everywhere for NOTICEABLY less than a 60-day GTC, even if it DOES contain a 60-day GTC among several other things" ? Actually, the EVE-box sells for less than 1/6 of one year's subscription in a lot of places Did you at least get 22 euro per box manufactured or not ? At least close to that ? And how many boxes were manufactured ?
I sense you are misunderstanding a great many thing. If CCP wanted to make sense about their GTC sales, they would still have the 90-day GTC available instead of a 60-day GTC that only costs 5 USD less than a 90-day sub.
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Tag Heuer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock What sites sells them for less than 60 days GTC?
Yes. I'd like to buy up bunches of them. |
Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
Originally by: Akita T How would you respond to the question of "how come the EVE box sells pretty much everywhere for NOTICEABLY less than a 60-day GTC, even if it DOES contain a 60-day GTC among several other things" ? Actually, the EVE-box sells for less than 1/6 of one year's subscription in a lot of places Did you at least get 22 euro per box manufactured or not ? At least close to that ? And how many boxes were manufactured ?
I sense you are misunderstanding a great many thing. If CCP wanted to make sense about their GTC sales, they would still have the 90-day GTC available instead of a 60-day GTC that only costs 5 USD less than a 90-day sub.
I am quite sure there was logic in their reasoning.
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Sir Muffoon
Backdoor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.21 20:16:00 -
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People keep making threads about this. Why?
I like the boxes having GTCs in them that aren't only able to be applied to trial accounts. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.21 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Muffoon People keep making threads about this. Why? I like the boxes having GTCs in them that aren't only able to be applied to trial accounts.
It's not about having GTCs in them, it's about the "failprice" they're sold at... a 60-day GTC costs 35 euro if you're unlucky enough to buy it from the EU (or 35$ = aprox 25 euro if you order online), while the box itself sells for as low as 20 euro in several places where it's still available. And you don't get JUST the 60-day GTC (which can be applied to ANY account, or be used to create a fresh account with the special shuttle, the militia waiver and whatnot), but some other physical goodies too.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.21 20:31:00 -
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You can buy a gtc in euros?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.21 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer You can buy a gtc in euros?
If the reseller is based in the EU, they have to sell it in Euros and pay VAT. Luckily, most online sites you can order GTCs from are USA-based (or at least not EU-based). The "unlucky" ones are the few that get them from a store in the EU (or worse, they live in the EU and make the mistake of ordering one from CCP directly - not only do they pay 35 euro, but ALSO SHIPPING COSTS on top of it all, and have to wait a while for the physical card to arrive).
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.06.21 21:40:00 -
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Simply because CCP does not set the price of the retail box stores and atari do, i'm still seeing the box up at ú29.99 here mostly so its still inline with a 2 month sub. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.06.21 21:47:00 -
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CCP does not set the price of the box. At the most they set a recommended retail price but the retailers have ultimate control over how much they want to sell the product for. Learn2retail. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.21 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit CCP does not set the price of the box. At the most they set a recommended retail price but the retailers have ultimate control over how much they want to sell the product for. Learn2retail.
Yeah... but CCP has to have been paid for the GTC which resides inside the box (even at a hefty discount, a sum of 20$/20 euro or thereabouts would have been about "fair"), also extra costs must have been incurred for actually producing the rest of the stuff inside the box, packaging it and shipping it to retailers, and SOMEBODY has to have paid for it too. You can only draw two possible conclusions from this : CCP was paid peanuts for the GTCs inside... and the retailers have serious trouble getting rid of the box. Well, at least one of those two must be correct. I guess that would mean either CCP or Atari need to "Learn2retail"
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Sosus Red
Caldari Frontier Voyagers Crimson Dragons
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Posted - 2009.06.21 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Vaal Erit CCP does not set the price of the box. At the most they set a recommended retail price but the retailers have ultimate control over how much they want to sell the product for. Learn2retail.
Yeah... but CCP has to have been paid for the GTC which resides inside the box (even at a hefty discount, a sum of 20$/20 euro or thereabouts would have been about "fair"), also extra costs must have been incurred for actually producing the rest of the stuff inside the box, packaging it and shipping it to retailers, and SOMEBODY has to have paid for it too. You can only draw two possible conclusions from this : CCP was paid peanuts for the GTCs inside... and the retailers have serious trouble getting rid of the box. Well, at least one of those two must be correct. I guess that would mean either CCP or Atari need to "Learn2retail"
omg another Akita T im on a pedastool answer to me thread...
CCP and or atari can sell them for whatever price they wish to set. None of your business really.
There are several boxes available at my local Fry's Electronics. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.21 23:40:00 -
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i dont get it, are you moaning that you can buy boxes cheaper so that you entire subscription is cheaper as if you are then WUT ? you getting it cheaper then why are you moaning.
also when more boxes are sold it pushes box sales up which atari will be monitoring so it put that in good stead as well . Just working in game we get giving targets to hit all the time for games and pre-orders ect. It is most lily the same with developers, but the box has a RRP, so if the retailer decides to sell it for cheaper this is out of CCP's control the retailers have already brought the box's so it is up to them if they want to sell it at a loss or not?
so really what are you going on about? the retails already brought the box and are selling it for there own price. they have a RRP to use as there guidelines but retailers can sell it for there own price. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.22 00:35:00 -
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I imagine the answer is because CCP values wider more mainsream exposure and potential new long term customers over the short term gains of higher retail price, even if the existing players grab up half the existing retail boxes.
2 months boxed game time is a long time to play eve if you plan on quitting, mmo have addictive qualities, it's hard unless you really hated it.
Only things letting CCP down is;
It's an expensive game to play, costs me more than my broadband internet subscription. World of Warcraft is far more popular and costs almost half as much to play. How incredibly boring and tedious the game is for the casual player, which I can perfectly understand.
I remember when a friend of mine saw me playing eve, saw the cool graphics and became very interested, I told him he'd hate it. He didn't believe me. Sure enough after 5 minutes watching me do nothing but take that entire time to slowly allign, warp, float ponderiously through space jumping through a couple of gates on my travels, he was bored stiff by the pace of the game and walked off..
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Norrek Viz
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Posted - 2009.06.22 01:03:00 -
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Gamestops sell the retail box for about 40 bucks.
Which probably makes the most sense, 30 bucks for two months and 10 bucks for the extra goodies.
Although, if you think about it...CCP sells thhe client and a month for 20 bucks. So if you are a new player you are only paying 5 extra bucks for the "sweet" shuttle and advanced access to factional warfare.
Whatever that means. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:26:00 -
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ITT Akita learns about promotional discounting. |
Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.06.22 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T How would you respond to the question of "how come the EVE box sells pretty much everywhere for NOTICEABLY less than a 60-day GTC, even if it DOES contain a 60-day GTC among several other things" ? Actually, the EVE-box sells for less than 1/6 of one year's subscription in a lot of places Did you at least get 22 euro per box manufactured or not ? At least close to that ? And how many boxes were manufactured ?
More misery from the master. In one thread your mad because they charge too much, in this one your mad because they don't charge enough. You're just plain MAD! Your adversarial relationship with CCP has become quite alarming. Maybe you shoud go back to Myst and relax awhile.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 10:58:00 -
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CCP get paid what they sell it to the companies
it is then up to the companies to sell it at what ever price they want
there have been a few cases where places like amazon and pc world online selling them for really cheap in a sale.
that is not CCP bidding but the companies who are selling it. CCP still got the money from the stock when they purchased it.
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Chantilly Layce
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Posted - 2009.06.22 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Chantilly Layce on 22/06/2009 11:47:07
If you live in CANADA, try the store "BEST BUY"... there are three stores within an hour's drive of my home, all three have copies in stock. Hopefully, it's the same in other locations.
I paid $40 CDN plus taxes... so about $45 CDN (about $40 US), total, for 60 days.
[edit: price info]
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.22 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis ITT Akita learns about promotional discounting.
Yeah... because some random joe that never played EVE before will buy the heavily discounted boxes, right ? As opposed to being picked up massively by EXISTING players
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2009.06.22 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Malcanis ITT Akita learns about promotional discounting.
Yeah... because some random joe that never played EVE before will buy the heavily discounted boxes, right ? As opposed to being picked up massively by EXISTING players
In ventures like these that actually gets calculated in beforehand, key is subscription retention post exposure. It's not about the box, that thing is just a tool.
Think of it as a way to avoid the chicken versus egg problem, the eggs are in the stores readily available so now everyone gets them. Doesn't matter if some already ate them or even are addicted. As long as they come back later to the chicken via his website to order more eggs as those get delivered at home without hassle.
Stop trying to find a fail angle man :P Welcome to the world of marketing. So what if you can pick up a box at an atari office for 9.95, as long as you make fun of it on some other forum later and be part of the exposure train :P
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.22 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Malcanis ITT Akita learns about promotional discounting.
Yeah... because some random joe that never played EVE before will buy the heavily discounted boxes, right ? As opposed to being picked up massively by EXISTING players
Your point being? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.23 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Your point being?
Selling EVE retail was a massive failure ?
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Manterror
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Posted - 2009.06.23 00:40:00 -
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Look at it this way...
CCP had to sell those game boxes...they cost money to produce and distribute.
a 60-day GTC only costs whatever it costs to keep the server running for 60 days...divided by the amount of accounts currently paying $ (and not paying with ISK+GTC). Pretty much a very very small amount.
In the end, CCP would be FAR more concerned with selling those game boxes, and *free* GTC's would help move those units, if not have first-time players 60 days to get hooked.
Brilliant move.
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