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Wladimir Chekov	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:23:00 - [1] Hi, I started playing Eve 3 weeks ago and have some questions about effective mission running. Since I don't have the skills to start to do lvl 4 missions, I wanted to ask if it's wise not to buy a battleship (Raven) and keep doing lvl 3 missions with my Drake until I have the necessary basic skills to go for lvl 4 missions. Is it possible to do the lvl 3 missions with HAM's while having an afterburner equipped or will the enemys stay out of range (or is it just plain annoying and takes years to do a mission)? Or should I do the lvl 3 missions with a raven? What is your advice for me?
Mish'Kala Minmatar Infiniti Matar Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:31:00 - [2] Stick with the drake, perfect your Missile and shield skills (all to level 4 at least) and get your support and fitting skills trained. Doing this will make the drake more effective so the level 3's will go faster. Once you can fit and afford a raven and have sufficient skills to fly it properly get one and use it in a few level 3's to get the feel of it. Level 4's introduce a big change in that they web and scramble you so you can lose ships if you aren ready for it.
Wladimir Chekov	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:49:00 - [3] And what about the Heavy Assault Launcher? Is the damage woth it or is the range advantage of the heavies better?
knobber Jobbler	Posted - 2009.06.22 12:57:00 - [4] Drake is definately the way to go for level 3's. There are good passive tank builds available on battleclinic. I would use heavy missiles too rather than chase rats around with HAM's.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Mish'Kala Stick with the drake, perfect your Missile and shield skills (all to level 4 at least) and get your support and fitting skills trained. I'd also like to add drone skills. You should have T2 drones by the time you get into L4s, as well as 3 or 4 levels of the main drone support skills.
Wladimir Chekov	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:11:00 - [6] Thanks for the fast advices!
Mish'Kala Minmatar Infiniti Matar Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:14:00 - [7] Originally by: g0ggalor Originally by: Mish'Kala Stick with the drake, perfect your Missile and shield skills (all to level 4 at least) and get your support and fitting skills trained. I'd also like to add drone skills. You should have T2 drones by the time you get into L4s, as well as 3 or 4 levels of the main drone support skills. Yep thats very true, also. As for Hams, the added DPS is really negated by the time spent chasing rats down. Stick with HML's for level 3's. A HAM drake, properly fitted can be fun in level 4's tho, if you arent all about the efficientcy
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Wladimir Chekov And what about the Heavy Assault Launcher? Is the damage woth it or is the range advantage of the heavies better? Don't use HAMs, heavy missiles are much better for PvE. Master your heavy missile (and missile support) skills and you'll be fine. Also I'd consider training for a Nighthawk for level 4s since you need the same skills for that ship (plus the command ship skills).
Ashmira Wintereyes Caldari Free Spirits	Posted - 2009.06.22 14:29:00 - [9] Edited by: Ashmira Wintereyes on 22/06/2009 14:30:05 Aye as above posters i'd say stick to the drake for L3's, once your skills are high enough you will yearn for level 4 missions as the level 3's will become boring the more SP you get in the area's of shields/rigs & HML's. To crank up DPS you, as stated, should train for T2 drones and Heavy Missiles so you can fit HML II's and use fury missiles as well as T2 drones, judging your skills and dps now, i'd say you atleast tripple your DPS from the drake then. Once you reach the 'too easy' point, you can still do a good portion of L4's in the drake as well, but avoid L4's like WC or AE4 unless you're really familiar with these missions and your ship's capabilities.
LordThyGod	Posted - 2009.06.22 16:25:00 - [10] [Drake, New Setup 2] Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x5 last time i bought a small faction it was only 10-20 mill, so its not really out of your range running lv3's, and will allow you to run the balistic controls, but you can start with med shield booster and med cap booster, you may have to get a cpu implant(which you'll need for most missile ships for a while or cpu upgrade, but that is one less bcu)

Nambu Caldari Black Mesa	Posted - 2009.06.22 19:11:00 - [11] Originally by: LordThyGod [Drake, New Setup 2] Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x5 last time i bought a small faction it was only 10-20 mill, so its not really out of your range running lv3's, and will allow you to run the balistic controls, but you can start with med shield booster and med cap booster, you may have to get a cpu implant(which you'll need for most missile ships for a while or cpu upgrade, but that is one less bcu) must have been a while then. Open contract prices on Gisti A types (which are more of a frigate module anyway, if you want to use small boosters on bigger ships, you want Pithi) are easily 50+ mil, maybe more (I seem to recall it being more like 90-100m I am at work). You can get Gisti B type small shield boosters for 20-25 mil (used to be 8-10 6 months ago). You _can_ active tank a drake but its no where near as affordable and easy as a passive tanked drake. (Same goes for HAMs to the OP, you can use them, they will work, but why?) Standard L3 drake is something like (fill it in with T2, named, whatever you can fit/afford) hi: 7xHML mid: 2xLSE, 3-4 hardeners (mission specific, resist amps for the truly passive), 0-1 utility slot: AB/Painter low: 3xBCU, 1xPDU rigs: 3xPurger (if you want to go all out on it) 5xlight scout drones If your tank isnt good enough like that, swap in SPRs for BCUs one at a time, till its good enough. If you spend on the purgers, then your tank should be fine, if not, you will likely need 1, maybe 2 SPRs. --- The stage is set Someone's going to do something someone else will regret... The fuse will have to run out sometime Something here will eventually have to explode
Lrrp Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.22 23:23:00 - [12] Forget the booster and amps. This is all you need in your mids: 3x Large Shield Extender (t2 if you get the skills) 3 x rat specific active hardners (3x Invul. t2 if you get the skills) I tank 1.85 mil. null sec spawns indefinitely for miners with this setup so lvl 3's ought to be sleepwalking).
Wladimir Chekov	Posted - 2009.06.23 06:13:00 - [13] Thanks again for all your help, I tried the HAMs yesterday, the damage output is great but 20km range with 2 supporting rigs sucks.... I switched back to Heavys and will keep the HAMs for missions with hard tanks...
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.06.23 07:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Lrrp Forget the booster and amps. This is all you need in your mids: 3x Large Shield Extender (t2 if you get the skills) 3 x rat specific active hardners (3x Invul. t2 if you get the skills) I tank 1.85 mil. null sec spawns indefinitely for miners with this setup so lvl 3's ought to be sleepwalking). You don't get missions done faster by tanking them to death. 2 LSE II, afterburner, PWNAGE, 2 x rat specific hardeners. If you can't tank triple 1.5M battleship spawns in that, you're doing it wrong. As for missions, the AB means you can speed-tank most of the missile damage, the PWNAGE means you and your drones will kill frigates faster. Active tanking reduces your signature radius, which means you take less damage from missiles in the first place, and the NPCs won't be getting such good hits against you with their turrets.


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