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Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:36:00 - [31] Edited by: Solisk on 23/06/2009 20:38:10 Ahh, I was wondering when Athre's close and personal friend would show up to defend her honor. As I apparently showed the value of my opinion, so you show yours. It is true that there have been several large isk ventures without transparency. However, these very same ventures are normally operated by people with great reputations and an internal scam/run is highly uncommon and would damage the reputation of any venture involved. Now, that being said, Ebanks reputation has been tarnished. So far the public knows that Ebanks former CEO ran off with a fairly large sum of isk and that the banks BoD and staff had little knowledge and oversight as to how the former CEO was running things. You yourself stated that there were embarrassing aspects as to how he ran things. This tells us that Ebanks checks and oversights were not nearly as well-thought out as we, the public, were made to believe. And it seems I must repeat myself again, since there seems to be a lack of reading comprehension. "At no time have I ever demanded Ebank to report or give any information." P.S. I couldn't give two shts about Athre being a man or a woman. Her having a vag doesn't sway my opinion left or right. It's also cute how you think being a dck about what I (quite reasonably) posted is going to scare me off. It might work with the masses who have their nose shoved up your rear, but it doesn't work in this direction. awaits heated reply full of cynicism and wit.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:41:00 - [32] /me pulls her head out of HawkBlade's ass Are you talking to me? I dont see why you intend on starting a **** storm in a glass of water solisk. There has been a report stating that EBANK is working on the AUDIT. Now we just have to wait. see thats easy /me puts her head back up HawkBlade's ass TMPI
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:43:00 - [33] Edited by: Ji Sama on 23/06/2009 20:44:37 how come i can say ass but not **? edit: testing ***.... TMPI
Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Ji Sama /me pulls her head out of HawkBlade's ass Are you talking to me? I dont see why you intend on starting a **** storm in a glass of water solisk. There has been a report stating that EBANK is working on the AUDIT. Now we just have to wait. see thats easy /me puts her head back up HawkBlade's ass No actually, I was typing my post before I saw your fanboy post. =P You know I still have love for you Ji ji. <3
Dzil Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Ji Sama how come i can say ass but not ****? Low german/high german. ---------------------- Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings ----------------------
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:45:00 - [36] i vuw you to :p TMPI
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:50:00 - [37] Originally by: HawkBlade Originally by: eVaLF Just like the audit issue, its an MD worthy person but we wont report on it. YOu can use anyone if that is the case, since we dont get the report its for the BOD only and you wont even release his/her name. A lot of this makes zero sense and your guys are putting yoruself back into the same situation you were in 2 weeks ago. Maybe internally your more sound, but publicly wise its the same thing. The only thing similar to two weeks ago is you barking at the moon to no good purpose. Instead of wasting your limited abilities on a few details why not try to broaden your mind. You could simply ask why isn't the name of the person being disclosed? To my understanding, the auditor wants to remain undisclosed so (s)he can work without someone like you, yes you, harassing him/her for information while doing the actual work. Mind you, I'm sure you would not be the only one trying but you are incessant in your whining. Are you perhaps trying to scream "eBank" "eBank" "eBank" loud enough that people will forget the billions upon billions in the very very close relationship you had with Ric? After all, you consciously chose to be his stalking horse... you think perhaps the intelligent people amongst us know that you still do the same? First, how is it you want people to trust there isk and loans with this auditor that wont be public. For all I know the audit can be fake, can be another scammer, what ever the case may be. That is why that information is not only important but vital. The block button is amazing ingame if he/she does nto want bothered. Your right I had a very close relathionship with Ric, along with every other single member of EBANK to some degree or another. I could claim the same about you with DBANK, but I dont cause I know you better than that, atleast I hope I do. So putting my name with him does not bother me in the least, fact remains I am not the only person that has trusted and or worked with him. You basicly said nothing again though, just like every EBANK Post here, you try to turn it onto other subjects and move to other areas of the board if you will. Nothing official, they hae you do there posting so they can claim its not an official EBANK Response, and I am sure this thread will be soon asked to be locked as well so that people cant discuss the fact you do zero reporting, you put peoples isk at risk and personal information with an auditor nobody is allowed to know of, and so forth.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Solisk Edited by: Solisk on 23/06/2009 20:46:41 Originally by: Ji Sama /me pulls her head out of HawkBlade's ass Are you talking to me? I dont see why you intend on starting a **** storm in a glass of water solisk. There has been a report stating that EBANK is working on the AUDIT. Now we just have to wait. see thats easy /me puts her head back up HawkBlade's ass No actually, I was typing my post before I saw your fanboy post. =P You know I still have love for you Ji ji. <3 And I really didn't mean to stir up any ****. I'm just feeling personally attacked for sharing my views and opinions. God forbid that people actually disagree with "The Man". i agree we must fight the man. and replace it with a much better upgradable and scalable and some other able words! and replace the MAN with a WOMAN! And you right you are getting the sharhammer :p you should actually be proud, hawk never smacktalks me any more :( My point is: to summerize, that we just have to be patient, i have 100% faith and trust in the current BOD, Ebank is a gigantic venture, TMPI is like a shuttle compared to this mothership, yet i use hours on hours working out the numbers and reports! And we only have a 75B NAV. IMHO Ebank is understaffed and needs a helping hand with some manual labour ... offered many times before and will again because im teh EBANK fanboy (yea its me from the news) TMPI
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:02:00 - [39] Originally by: eVaLF Nothing official, they hae you do there posting so they can claim its not an official EBANK Response, and I am sure this thread will be soon asked to be locked as well so that people cant discuss the fact you do zero reporting, you put peoples isk at risk and personal information with an auditor nobody is allowed to know of, and so forth. Don't be a ***ing *****. You know there is no "they" controlling Shar and that he ALWAYS posts what he wants to.... everyone knows that. Honestly, sometimes I feel like you shake your magic 8 ball for what you are going to say next. Jesus christ man, thank about the allegation you just made and how stupid it sounds. If you feel attacked by Shar, then address him but don't go slinging mud as I for one don't deserve it. <Amarr's signature>
Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:03:00 - [40] Exactly. They have met nearly all nonconforming views with attacks and double speak. It's starting to make me wonder just how deep the rabbit hole goes (credit to Ji Sama for the Matrix reference). The sad part is that I've spoken with and liked many of Ebanks staff and nonofficial affiliates. Even now, regardless of personal attacks, I hold no ill-will. I'm just wondering why the hell all of them are acting so aggressive suddenly to every discussion on the matter.

Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:12:00 - [41] Originally by: Solisk Edited by: Solisk on 23/06/2009 21:09:05 Exactly. They have met nearly all nonconforming views with attacks and double speak. It's starting to make me wonder just how deep the rabbit hole goes (credit to Ji Sama for the Matrix reference). The sad part is that I've spoken with and liked many of Ebanks staff and nonofficial affiliates. Even now, regardless of personal attacks, I hold no ill-will. I'm just wondering why the hell all of them are acting so aggressive suddenly to every discussion on the matter. Edit: Adding to what AC155 said, the majority of Ebank staff does not deserve any personal criticism as most of them are pretty damn super guys. Although I'm still scratching my head at Hexxx (the frickin' nicest guy on these forums) calling me a moron. =P (Just to make sure this isn't misunderstood, as things seem to be getting lately, I am not attacking Hexxx, just laughing at my own bad fortune.) I have one pet peeve; repeating myself.
Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Hexxx I have one pet peeve; repeating myself. I completely understand as it's one of mine as well. Regardless of anything, I still have a lot of respect for you and hope your life is filled with lots and lots of tacos. Delicious delicious tacos. Mmmmmm
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: eVaLF Nothing official, they hae you do there posting so they can claim its not an official EBANK Response, and I am sure this thread will be soon asked to be locked as well so that people cant discuss the fact you do zero reporting, you put peoples isk at risk and personal information with an auditor nobody is allowed to know of, and so forth. Don't be a ***ing *****. You know there is no "they" controlling Shar and that he ALWAYS posts what he wants to.... everyone knows that. Honestly, sometimes I feel like you shake your magic 8 ball for what you are going to say next. Jesus christ man, thank about the allegation you just made and how stupid it sounds. If you feel attacked by Shar, then address him but don't go slinging mud as I for one don't deserve it. When he comes in here saying he is talkign for the EBANK CEO cause she wont speak for herself, then to me it comes from EBANK and to even claim i had anyting to do with a scam when you can see in other threads right this minute i am trying to help other IPO's get off the ground is f'ing retarted. Based on what he says you were working with us when I left, limited but still doing so, how do we know you didnt scam with ricdic as well since you were probably teh closest person to him when this happend. Again I don't think you did, but based on his stupid @ss shar post he made it like that so the public would have that peception. YOu dont like it, and neither do I. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:35:00 - [44] Evalf, my actions speak louder than any accusations you could ever make (even if there is some point you are trying to make). I'm not going to respond to your last post because I'm trying to keep from lowering myself to that level. You can post more if you like but I won't be responding to you anymore. I think it's sad that you've decided to take this to the place that you have with me.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Evalf, my actions speak louder than any accusations you could ever make (even if there is some point you are trying to make). I'm not going to respond to your last post because I'm trying to keep from lowering myself to that level. You can post more if you like but I won't be responding to you anymore. I think it's sad that you've decided to take this to the place that you have with me. Now you see how I feel wiht shar taking it to that place. 2 wrongs dont make a right and I know this, but right now cn care less. You guys have shar speaking for you even though you claim its not for obvious reasons, and he posted it not 30min ago but that is okay right? Fact remains anyone coudl have helped ric scam or even scammed with him. But you want public to percieve I personally do it and it ****'s me off.
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:50:00 - [46] And..... breathe.... I was going to post something constructive, but I'm feeling a bit drained reading through this Page 2. In summary though - Evalf - you have some valid points, don't drown them out with emo-rage Hawkthingy - Good to see your charisma roll was as high on this char as the last one Carry on. <3
Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Leowen Hawkthingy - Good to see your charisma roll was as high on this char as the last one Carry on. <3 This thread now delivers with a DnD reference.
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:36:00 - [48] @Solisk .. Agree.. This and maybe this - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:41:00 - [49] Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 23/06/2009 23:42:48 Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 23/06/2009 23:42:23 -- typo Originally by: eVaLF Again this were and I disagree with Ebank even after this entire thing they don't put out what they will do they put out a lot of gibber jabber that means nothing really and continue the stance we wont report. You're entitled to disagree You're entitled to remove any money you have deposited. You're entitled, unfortunately, to continue to post your self-aggrandizing rubbish. You're entitled, evidently, to fail to read elementary language and instead parse it as 'gibber jabber'. Obviously by your past posts you're overfamiliar with this. It's a private institution. It's a bank. It has no ethical or contractual obligation to report to you, me, or anyone else on anything other than whether our money can be withdrawn. In actual fact, based on past evidence, Ebank manages to report substantially more than you ever have with any of your public offerings. If you don't like it, don't deposit/withdraw. But do please stop this continual attempt to appear relevant. They (Ebank) have absolutely no need to listen to you, or anyone else, on this matter. You're irrelevant. Originally by: eVaLF Personally you should come up with an isk value be it 1mil or 100bil and say anything that effects this much isk will be reported on, anything else is closed. Atleast then we know what to expect, right now its a bunch of fancy words to most my questions and others questions, and the same stance is we are not going to let you know whats going on. Personally I think you should read Don Quixote. Originally by: eVaLF I understand you cant let eveyr little thing known, A) it could hurt what yoru doign and cause profit issues, B) you guys do way to much C) you want to keep names confidential. I understand all that, please dont think I dont, but you can still do much better reporting than what I see you guys trying to say you will do. They can. They don't have to. I understand this is evidently hard for you to accept, but the sooner you do the sooner you can come to terms with how your posts about Ebank are repetitive. Originally by: eVaLF Just like the audit issue, its an MD worthy person but we wont report on it. YOu can use anyone if that is the case, since we dont get the report its for the BOD only and you wont even release his/her name. That's right, perhaps you're getting it now. Originally by: eVaLF A lot of this makes zero sense and your guys are putting yoruself back into the same situation you were in 2 weeks ago. Maybe internally your more sound, but publicly wise its the same thing. It makes zero sense to you because you evidently don't understand how banks operate. To reiterate, if you don't like it, withdraw your isk or don't deposit. Moreover, I'm sure Ebank would welcome it, they've actively stated they want to become smaller. Help them out, then maybe if you don't have anything deposited with them you can shut up.
Caleb Ayrania Gallente TarNec Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:51:00 - [50] Originally by: HawkBlade Originally by: Solisk And all the MD community asks is for the very same level of transparency that is asked of all PRIVATE corporations that receive PUBLIC isk, which is all that EBank really is. Hilariously, you have just demonstrated the value of your opinion, personal or not. There have been many large isk projects based upon public isk that did not present any transparency. Some were bad, some are still good, but the truth is that most projects don't offer much transparency if any at all. Your delusional interpretation of history not withstanding, eBank has always done some reporting. You want more, that's fine. You demanding more, not going to work. Equally, if eBank gives out more information it will have absolutely nothing to do with your desires, demands, or posts. I just thought you should really understand how inconsequential you really are in this matter. Athre is far too nice to tell it to you straight up. Don't just take my word for it: Being lady like you will understand your level importance from her silence towards you. Soz Shar but this is bad form. If you jump on any questioning or epeen thrown at Athre your going to undermine her as CEO. Solisk was not out of line and only sharing his view and suggestions. Athres silence might have been the better way, but that would include yours to. - Money is Love - Sometimes it just gets bend the wrong ways. Feed your Brain: Innovation Thread

Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:54:00 - [51] Is this the room where we participate in the bg d*k swing? ...seriously guys, lets take the discussion up a notch, we've gotten a little low and derailed the thread.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Viktor Raybach Bunch of garbage Quote: I am also entitled to speak my mind on the matter, and I will do so. Just as you have. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.23 23:58:00 - [53] (Premise: I don't have anything against EBANK and love their employees and if I had spare money I'd put it in their accounts) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please excuse me for the following ret_arded statements with really NO sense: A "middle rating" MD guy with 2-3 past IPOs / bonds decides to step up and go for a 20B bond. Point of note: the guy NEVER scammed. 1) He writes "we'll keep our business and plans undisclosed for obvious reasons". Moreover we are a private entity and don't feel like disclosing anything in public. 2) He writes "we may hire an undisclosed auditor" for our own internal performance and risk assessment. 3) He writes "we won't provide for public records nor for names, because we want him to work in peace without someone like eVaLF making him waste time" 4) He writes "we will give our investors 2.5%" Despite he NEVER scammed and has record of diligency this will be the absolutely predictable result: 1) Harsh comments about: "you can't ask for our money without even saying what the hell are you going to do with them". And also: "who cares of you being self called private, you are asking for public money so tell what you are about or GTFO". 2) Harsh comments about: "you are barely known, why should we trust billions in your own decided yes man?" Now have Kazzac / whoever audit you or GTFO with your bond. 3) Harsh comments about: "sure, you want to work in peace and are so butthurt for those nasty nosy investors pretending wanting to know about their money! Yeah subtract your bond off control with this excuse! While at it, sell us that Brooklin bridge. 4) Flames about: "2.5% reward! Are you NUTS? 3.5-4% or GTFO, really do". Now, let's introduce another privately held entity where, unlike the above, there HAS been a massive money theft. 1) Have such privately held entity refuse to disclose anyone and anything, because despite the theft the investors are supposed to revel in religious faith. 2) Have such privately held entity refuse any verifiable audit because they believe to be above the other privately held entities, makers of the rulers (ie collateral for loans) but above the rules. 3) Have such privately held entity refuse to confront with the public because unlike every other company they have no time to waste in eVaLFs and critics. The other companies have to find the time and deal with it, for some reason and adapt or die. 4) Have such privately held entity give 1.5% rewards. Because the other privately held entities that never scammed are supposed to pay GOOD for the honour of taking public money. But this special private entity which had a scam makes investors a favor to hold their money and thus 1.5% is just fair. Because in the end "we are better than you" is not just a BoB slogan? See, today I really feel like ret_arded. Sorry again.
Fleshbot	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Customers recently lost their virginity and it hurted. Can you please state how customers were hurt? If possible, state the names of those employees and what their loses were. EBANK owes you nothing more than what they promise, an interest rate and access to your funds. If you don't like that deal, try a different bank or start your own. And stop comparing EBANK to a random IPO/BOND. They aren't coming to the forums asking for money, in fact they don't need your funds? They're trying to get smaller. (EBANK Staff: Sorry, I know I'm not doing your PR any help but this harping annoys).
TraderAlt 3104989531	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:12:00 - [55] Originally by: eVaLF When he comes in here saying he is talkign for the EBANK CEO cause she wont speak for herself, then to me it comes from EBANK... I'm here talking on behaLF of eVaLF and I just want to say he's totally changed his mind, disregard everything He's said in this thread. He puts 100% trust in EBANK (as well as his cash) and you should believe it because when I say I'm speaking for VaLF, then to you, it should be as if it does come from eVaLF. Also he likes to lick ponies.
Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:32:00 - [56] Man, this is how Fox News must feel with the current Obama administration and the media "watchdogs" love sickness for it. A few of us ask legitimate questions and we're beaten down by the (not all, just some) staff and the zealot-like fan club. Ebank has, historically, been a great source of watchdogs for the MD community. Now that the fire is on them, the watchdog group is greatly diminished. Where oh where have our watchdogs gone.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.24 01:31:00 - [57] THIS IS REALLY SIMPLE. It is up to the investor to decide whether the risk in ANY IPO/Bond/Bank is worth it. EBANK has ALWAYS been a private institution, they have never said otherwise. They are offering a service where you give them ISK and they pay you a monthly return. EBANK IS OFFERING NOTHING ELSE. As an investor you need to decide on the risk level of EBANK. If you think is too high, withdraw your ISK. By leaving your ISK in EBANK, you are stating you are happy with this. You are asking what they could do better, but they are not obliged to. note: I am happy with the risk level of EBANK.
Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics	Posted - 2009.06.24 01:42:00 - [58] Meh, you're absolutely right. If people want to trust Ebank with their isk and accept terribly low interest rates and condescending PR, then that is there problem. Guess I was fooling myself into believing that public opinion and feedback was actually appreciated. Good luck with all of your future endeavors.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.06.24 01:43:00 - [59] Originally by: cosmoray THIS IS REALLY SIMPLE. It is up to the investor to decide whether the risk in ANY IPO/Bond/Bank is worth it. EBANK has ALWAYS been a private institution, they have never said otherwise. They are offering a service where you give them ISK and they pay you a monthly return. EBANK IS OFFERING NOTHING ELSE. As an investor you need to decide on the risk level of EBANK. If you think is too high, withdraw your ISK. By leaving your ISK in EBANK, you are stating you are happy with this. You are asking what they could do better, but they are not obliged to. note: I am happy with the risk level of EBANK. Cosmoray I will go with this, but that means from now on if you dont agree with an IPO or Offering or what ever you dont say anything since your not going to invest into it anyway. Based on what you just said nobody can say anything bad or suggest anyting to EBANK since they can take there isk, so you cant complain about any IPO unless your an investor? Lets face it, it does nto work like that.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.24 01:59:00 - [60] I stated early I would LIKE to see a couple of things. 1. How many times do they cover interest payments with profits 2. Capital reserve I doubt it will be published. Would it stop me investing with EBANK if they don't post the above info? no. The end of the day MD investing is based on trust. I trust, Hexx, Mr Horizontal, LVV and Athre. EBANK does stuff wrong, like all institutions. 1. Bad PR, been getting better now Ric doesn't use EBANK as his personal mouthpiece. 2. EBANK staff making personal opinions (not official) about EBANK (almost completely stopped).



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