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Leon Massenger
Gallente
Dakara Co
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Posted - 2009.06.23 05:37:00 -
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I met the local can flipper last week and since i need to l2p i thought i'd start with a nice easy industrial. His 300k bounty, neg sec status and bragging about can flipping in his bio made it obvious he had somthing up he sleeve but it's only a iteron5 so i can't be that bad. I was wrong.
Tackled neuted and slowly picked apart by his one blaster.
My fit.
[Incursus, Repps]
Damage Control I
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Anode Light Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge S
Anode Light Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge S
Anode Light Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge S
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin I x1
I was able to keep my repairs up but nothing else webbed with my afterburner off i wasn't able to keep my guns on but i thought since neuts use alot of cap he might run out before i ran out of cap boosters and so kept foolishly trying to get shots off. Agian I was wrong.
Today i saw him again in local so i decided to replace one of my blasters with an energy vamp to keep my guns running and used a hobgoblinII, I kept the scram on my ship but didnt turn it on this time, he wasn't going to run and i was there to learn the capabilities of my ship moreso than kill the ebil piwat. We started both burned though each others shields at about the same pace and then i hit his tank it was breaking *slowly*, or atleast he was letting it break so that i might over commit. My tank held again and apart from brief moments of zero cap my weapons stayed on however i would have run out of cap boosters well before i killed him so i stopped firing turned on my AB and burned to the closest planet.
Is this a simple case of rock, paper, sissors or simply a lack of firepower? I'm confidant my ishkur wouldn't have any problem but i don't want to take that into pvp before i know what i can and can't do in a frig. ECM i suppose could be one option but then without my AB i couldn't out run him, without the scram he'd just leave and without the booster i could be drained before i managed to get a jam off. Maybe replace my drone with a light ecm but that would cut my firepower and that tank that was breaking slowly wouldnt break atall. Would using a smaller booster charge help boosting just enough to use my modules without having a large portion of it burnt?
Advice for the specific fight would be aprreciated but frigates vs neutralisers is my main question, are they simply the counter to getting under the guns of larger ships and how can i get around it? |
Kambiri Zoltana
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.23 07:09:00 -
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Remember that a hauler can have its hold full of cap boosters, he might also have a small cap injecter filled. |
Sandeep
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Posted - 2009.06.23 07:10:00 -
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Iteron Mark V has enough med and low slots to overcome your neut... even if you put all 3. It also has about 4 times of your armor HP, so even if you out-dps the tank by about 50 dps, you won't have enough time to get through the buffer. (I think it is also using a neutron blaster)
Frig against neut: Stay out of range. That's a reason for the long range warp disruptor.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.23 07:48:00 -
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I don't expect you could have won this fight, with the way you approached it. The Iteron V has 5 mids and 4 low slots, and an almost infinite cargo bay (literally hundreds of booster charges) which makes cap a non-issue. It can easily sustain dual small armour reps along with the ewar and the neut, and so can have a pretty sturdy tank that you'd struggle to break anyway.
Now that's the rock to your paper. If you wanted to be scissors, exploit the fact that the only modules he can use against you (blaster and small neut) are ineffective outside of 6km. If you can stay outside that range you'd have the ability to survive indefinitely, and theoretically could force him to burn through all his cap boosters running the reps (though this would probably take an hour or so!) and kill him.
I notice that on your fit you don't have a web, and consequently when you got webbed yourself you weren't able to escape. If you'd have counterwebbed the hauler and burnt away with your afterburner, you ought to have been faster and thus able to get out of the 6km blaster + neut zone. I still don't really fancy your odds of breaking a dual-rep tank than can run forever, though it's possible the other guy had a different use for his lowslots for some reason. |
FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.06.23 17:31:00 -
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Use your ishkur with ECM drones. You will perma-jam him and slowly eat him up. One thing your could do is keep a thorax close to the belt, attack him in your incursus then quickly warp to your thorax, jump in, warp back and kill him.
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Leon Massenger
Gallente
Dakara Co
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Posted - 2009.06.23 18:03:00 -
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Thanks for the advice lads. I think i'll just leave him alone in the future niether the 1hour battle against his cargo space or the ship switch really appeal to me, I'd expect them to work but I want to focus on frigs and their limitations rather than bore myself firing at him that long.
More about neuts, out ranging small ones when they're using small weapons seems fine but what happens when that pulse fit omen (first cruiser i thought of) starts with his small or medium neut? Are neuts just the sign to gtfo if you're flying something small?
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.23 18:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Leon Massenger
More about neuts, out ranging small ones when they're using small weapons seems fine but what happens when that pulse fit omen (first cruiser i thought of) starts with his small or medium neut? Are neuts just the sign to gtfo if you're flying something small?
Generally, they're pretty bad against small ships (though I've never known an Omen to carry a neut since it doesn't have a utility high slot and it has pretty terrible powergrid anyway). However, depending what you need your cap for, a small Nosferatu can be an excellent counter, as this cycles every 3 seconds and is almost guaranteed to give you enough cap to keep medium-drain modules (like point and web) running. If your setup's highly cap-dependent, or you're fitting neither NOS nor cap boosters, neuts are likely to ruin your day. |
Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.06.23 20:12:00 -
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You might come back in a ship that needs very little cap, like a Rifter or Kestrel. Projectile weapons and missiles need zero capacitor to fire. Tackle him, stay out of range of his blaster, and chew him up.
How are you getting aggro, by the way? Are you dropping a can for him to flip, or the other way around? If he flips your can, you can get all your corpmates to come and gank him after you tackle him. That's a classic strategy. |
Leon Massenger
Gallente
Dakara Co
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Posted - 2009.06.24 07:02:00 -
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Was just rereading the thread to make sure i hadn't missed anything and Gartel with my AB I'm still fast enough to outrun him while webbed, i lost my first ship because i was feeling brave(read: stupid) the second time i left with his armor at ~80-90%.
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
How are you getting aggro, by the way? Are you dropping a can for him to flip, or the other way around? If he flips your can, you can get all your corpmates to come and gank him after you tackle him. That's a classic strategy.
Well i can't fly any other races atm thought the missiles option i'd completely forgot i'll fit a tristian(sp?) and see what happens.
I'm getting aggro by stealing from him while i'm already orbiting him and yeah i could get corp mates to come in, I've been doing it more to see what my ship can do more than the isk i'd get from his wreck or the epeen points and i'm not sure i would have killed him had i won though the full can he keeps there as bait wouldn't be a bad thing to go home with |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.24 09:06:00 -
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If you want to catch him do the following;
- have a proper cruiser docked in system with a point and web
- fit your frigate with WCS's in low
- sit close to him and bookmark that spot
- agress him (don't take from his can) when he steals from you, wait till he agresses you, look stupid for a while and then warp off
- 30 seconds later warp back into the belt in your frigate, at some range. If he's still there he'll now be used to you being away for a bit and then coming back in your frig
- dock up, switch ship to cruiser and name it after someone in local "name's shiptype"
- undock your cruiser and warp the the bookmark
- proceed to pwn the hauler
- dock up for at least 15 minutes to lose your agression timer
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Scientific Method
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Posted - 2009.06.24 12:51:00 -
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Swap the hobgoblin for a warrior, at least you're then doing some explosive damage, also consider training autocannons and fitting them on your Incursus, with either Fusion or Titanium Sabot ammo, either of which is going to perform better against armour than hybrid damage, although the Tristan with explosive rockets or missiles should be enough. I've always quite liked the Imicus for long range engagements as Gallente, but I'm not sure the DPS from 3 light drones and 2 rails would be enough. |
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