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Kris Simpson
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:12:00 -
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Hi all
Im struggling to get a good fit for a nightmare.
i dont want to shell out for deadspace stuff for it all i want it cap or nearly cap stable with good dps enoguh tank fro missions and good tracking, can anyone suggest something, I'm cross training to get the skills so im not T2 wep ready but most other things i can do T2 on. I dont mind using fraction mods.
Please help
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:13:00 -
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sure you wouldnt rather fly the scorpian? |

Jennz
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kris Simpson i dont want to shell out for deadspace stuff for it all i want it cap or nearly cap stable with good dps enoguh tank fro missions and good tracking, can anyone suggest something
My suggestion: Sell it and go back to a CNR or whatever poverty-spec ship fit you were using before.
Nightmare isn't supposed to be cap-stable, permatank or whatever. Anyone who strives to do so misses the point entirely.
Nightmare = its gank is its tank |

Ziester
Caldari Echolalia. Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ziester on 23/06/2009 09:35:55
[Nightmare, New Setup 1] Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Domination Warp Disruptor Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
This is how it should be fitted ( Pimped stuff to one's taste ) but if I had one that's probably more or less how I'd fit it. ----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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CSI Eve
Caldari atomic comic New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.06.23 10:04:00 -
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here you can find a nice nightmare fitting
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Falcon Troy
Caldari Guntact Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ziester Edited by: Ziester on 23/06/2009 09:35:55
[Nightmare, New Setup 1]
This is how it should be fitted ( Pimped stuff to one's taste ) but if I had one that's probably more or less how I'd fit it.
^Failed to read OP.
Here's mine.
Amarr Navy Heatsink Amarr Navy Heatsink Amarr Navy Heatsink Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Cap Recharger II
Tachyon Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy MF, Aurora] Tachyon Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy MF, Aurora] Tachyon Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy MF, Aurora] Tachyon Beam Laser II [Amarr Navy MF, Aurora] Tractor Beam I Tractor Beam I
CCC II CCC I CCC I
5x Hobgoblin II 5x Hammerhead II
You don't permatank a Nightmare, you go in sluggin, boost a few cycles, and you're good until the next wave. You also have to pimp it, if you don't just fly a ****ing Apoc or Raven, or even a CNR. The ship is awesome but the second you can get a Paladin.
Use Faction Turrets until you can get T2. Sit there in the mission blowing everything away while you tractor the wrecks to one big spot to salvage afterwards with a Destroyer. _____________ Hai. |

Pasata
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Posted - 2009.06.23 10:21:00 -
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I have a Paladin (and Marauders to lvl 5), is this much superior to a Nightmare or just a variation on a similar theme?
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Falcon Troy
Caldari Guntact Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Falcon Troy on 23/06/2009 10:30:20
Originally by: Pasata I have a Paladin (and Marauders to lvl 5), is this much superior to a Nightmare or just a variation on a similar theme?
With the tractor beam, rep, web, and double damage bonuses + the huge cargohold I can quite easily say that yes, the Paladin is superior. The Nightmare is, however, vertical.  |

Azuse
Melon inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Azuse on 23/06/2009 11:39:24 Edited by: Azuse on 23/06/2009 11:38:21
Originally by: Jennz
Originally by: Kris Simpson i dont want to shell out for deadspace stuff for it all i want it cap or nearly cap stable with good dps enoguh tank fro missions and good tracking, can anyone suggest something
My suggestion: Sell it and go back to a CNR or whatever poverty-spec ship fit you were using before.
Nightmare isn't supposed to be cap-stable, permatank or whatever. Anyone who strives to do so misses the point entirely.
Nightmare = its gank is its tank
Actually it can be done quite easily with tii gear with 3 hs fitted, the actual benefit of fitting a fourth sacrificing stability is up to the individual, although the actual dps increase is alot lower than the increase a cap mod provides.
The "you should pimp it because it's expensive" is an ignorant approach, you should fit it in a way it does what you need it to do, nothing more. There are plenty of mission runners with excessive tanks out there when all they really need is raw damage for missions, tank being minimal which is where this ship excels.
A tii tank is all this thing need for a lvl 4. Yes, you could fit a faction tank but it's wasted isk, doing nothing to increase the money you make while making your wallet lighter and the target on your hull larger. Faction damage mods are the only thing you really "need" for missions which, unfortunately, is why they're more expensive now than ever. |

AstroPhobic
Astrophobics Anonymous
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy Edited by: Falcon Troy on 23/06/2009 10:30:20
Originally by: Pasata I have a Paladin (and Marauders to lvl 5), is this much superior to a Nightmare or just a variation on a similar theme?
With the tractor beam, rep, web, and double damage bonuses + the huge cargohold I can quite easily say that yes, the Paladin is superior. The Nightmare is, however, vertical. 
The nightmare ganks faster, so if you can't be bothered with the tractors ETC, it may be a slightly better choice. It also means you don't have to get marauder 5 for the same paper DPS, only 2 racial bs 5 which is much more useful.
The Paladin probably carves a tiny bit more isk/hr with the tractor bonus and all level 5s.
I have a Paladin myself.
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AstroPhobic
Astrophobics Anonymous
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Posted - 2009.06.23 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse The "you should pimp it because it's expensive" is an ignorant approach, you should fit it in a way it does what you need it to do, nothing more. There are plenty of mission runners with excessive tanks out there when all they really need is raw damage for missions, tank being minimal which is where this ship excels.
More gank is always needed, tank sometimes becomes faction when making room for more gank. It happens especially on shield tanking ships where faction boosters drastically increase the shield per cap.
Quote: A tii tank is all this thing need for a lvl 4. Yes, you could fit a faction tank but it's wasted isk, doing nothing to increase the money you make while making your wallet lighter and the target on your hull larger. Faction damage mods are the only thing you really "need" for missions which, unfortunately, is why they're more expensive now than ever.
I can think of several instances where fitting some light faction mods open up CPU or slots for more gank, increasing killing speed/revenue and paying for themselves.
As far as faction damage mods go - it's much more cost efficient to start out with 3% damage implants. It's a quick 6.x% increase in DPS for under 40m for the pair. Another 20m for a 3% tracking implant, too. Faction damage mods are nice, but you get another 5% damage for around 200mil for 3. I have yet to make the plunge, I'm not sure it's so worth it. I'd have to make over 4b (probably even higher due to overkill and travel times) just to cover the 3.
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Ulesi
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: CSI Eve here you can find a nice nightmare fitting
I was there \o/ |

Tavers
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: CSI Eve here you can find a nice nightmare fitting
Nice fit, but really a nightmare isn't a PVP ship.
Whatever you do don't use pulse lasers(for pve), tachyons for missions. The Nightmare is one of the few ships that can fit a full rack of tachs.
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AstroPhobic
Astrophobics Anonymous
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tavers Nice fit, but really a nightmare isn't a PVP ship.
I lol'd  |

DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.24 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tavers
Originally by: CSI Eve here you can find a nice nightmare fitting
Nice fit, but really a nightmare isn't a PVP ship.
Whatever you do don't use pulse lasers(for pve), tachyons for missions. The Nightmare is one of the few ships that can fit a full rack of tachs.
Are you ****ing serious!
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Ziester
Caldari Echolalia. Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2009.06.24 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tavers
Originally by: CSI Eve here you can find a nice nightmare fitting
Nice fit, but really a nightmare isn't a PVP ship.
Whatever you do don't use pulse lasers(for pve), tachyons for missions. The Nightmare is one of the few ships that can fit a full rack of tachs.
Congratz, you just ****ed off Wildcat \o/
Nightmare not PvP ? Dude... This is TEH faction BS to PvP with
Oh and about nearly all officier fit, but OFFICER GUNS     Damn this pilot is clueless. You WANT T2 guns to use Scorch, no matter how better officer guns are... Scorch >>>>> officer'ed AN Infrared. ----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.06.24 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jennz
Originally by: Kris Simpson i dont want to shell out for deadspace stuff for it all i want it cap or nearly cap stable with good dps enoguh tank fro missions and good tracking, can anyone suggest something
My suggestion: Sell it and go back to a CNR or whatever poverty-spec ship fit you were using before.
Nightmare isn't supposed to be cap-stable, permatank or whatever. Anyone who strives to do so misses the point entirely.
Nightmare = its gank is its tank
Disagreed.
Pith c or b type LARGE Shieldbooster gives you a cheap permatank that you will never need to warp out on if you run missions just right, and is pretty cheap still, AND leaves room to fit 3x heat sinks. AFAIK you can do similar with smalls, but, I don't know the fit and they shot up in price after people started doing that. |

Pasata
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Posted - 2009.06.24 12:44:00 -
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So how would you fit a Nightmare for PVP?
Still Tac's for the extra range/damage?
Rigs would still be CCC's? Or swaped for damage/shield ones?
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.24 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pasata So how would you fit a Nightmare for PVP?
Still Tac's for the extra range/damage?
Rigs would still be CCC's? Or swaped for damage/shield ones?
Like this.
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Fossil Wolf
omen. Gay4Life
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Posted - 2009.06.24 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: CSI Eve here you can find a nice nightmare fitting
I see your enjoi, and raise you a monkeyking
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tavers
Originally by: CSI Eve here you can find a nice nightmare fitting
Nice fit, but really a nightmare isn't a PVP ship. .
for the love of god stop posting now
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achoura
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tavers
Nice fit, but really a nightmare isn't a PVP ship.
 ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |

Saraphos
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse
A tii tank is all this thing need for a lvl 4. Yes, you could fit a faction tank but it's wasted isk, doing nothing to increase the money you make while making your wallet lighter and the target on your hull larger. Faction damage mods are the only thing you really "need" for missions which, unfortunately, is why they're more expensive now than ever.
You don't NEED a pimp tank, but sometimes its a good investment anyway. For example, if you bought a bunch of small/medium pithis a while a back, you could have made a killing by reselling them now. Overall I think it's still a valid idea, overtank now while you get used to the ship, strip away to the bare essentials (t2 or CN) when you are comfortable.
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NeoNeTiC
LOCKDOWN. Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.24 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Originally by: Tavers
Nice fit, but really a nightmare isn't a PVP ship.
Are you ****ing serious!
/me sticks a knife in the floor. You know what do to, gentlemen.
Suddenly the crowd standing around begins to shout: Two men enter, one man leaves! Two men enter, one man leaves!
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.06.24 21:54:00 -
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It has become quite clear to me that having a lot of ISK and being in a socalled pvp corp/alliance doesnt mean you know ****.
But, nobody can survive a blob, no matter the fit, fail or not. |

Meniria
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Posted - 2009.06.24 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian It has become quite clear to me that having a lot of ISK and being in a socalled pvp corp/alliance doesnt mean you know ****.
But, nobody can survive a blob, no matter the fit, fail or not.
Well...maybe a Vulture with the meanest officer passive tank in the history of EVE... |

Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.06.24 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Meniria
Originally by: Anubis Xian It has become quite clear to me that having a lot of ISK and being in a socalled pvp corp/alliance doesnt mean you know ****.
But, nobody can survive a blob, no matter the fit, fail or not.
Well...maybe a Vulture with the meanest officer passive tank in the history of EVE...
Okay fair point :p |
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