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Natassia Krasnoo	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:03:00 - [1] I checked out the just realesed list of the top 500 supercomputers in the world.....I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure CCP's Tranquility wasn't on the list....why? Did you guys just not submit your cluster? Or did it not make the cut? I'm sure it's not the last answer as I know for a fact your cluster is quite powerful, possibly even more so than many on the list. So if it's the first answer I'd like to see Tranquility on the list for November. I could be wrong and maybe one of the 4 game related clusters is Tranquility, but I didn't recognize it. Heres the link to the web site you can find submission info and DL the list there.
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:05:00 - [2] top 500? i was under the impression CCP¦s "supercomputer" is more like in the top 100 already.
Natassia Krasnoo	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:07:00 - [3] Exactly my point...was it on the list and I just didn't recognize it, or did CCP fail to submit one of the most powerful if not the most powerful Gaming supercomputer in the world?
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:10:00 - [4] I think the reason given at the last public ask of this is that they would need to take the cluster offline for a day to enable them to run the tests required to get it listed or something to that effect and that was the reason it was never done.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:12:00 - [5] #500 BladeCenter HS21 Cluster, EM64T Xeon dual core 2.66 GHz, 3528 cores I'm pretty sure the EVE cluster isn't quite on par with that.
Minny Sky	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:14:00 - [6] Edited by: Minny Sky on 23/06/2009 17:14:44 arent they still using powerful but standard off-the-shelf computers though??? pretty sure There is HPC or whatever in the works though
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Akita T #500 BladeCenter HS21 Cluster, EM64T Xeon dual core 2.66 GHz, 3528 cores I'm pretty sure the EVE cluster isn't quite on par with that. Yeah but from what i remember its not a contest about number of cores but pure computing power.
Natassia Krasnoo	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Cypherous I think the reason given at the last public ask of this is that they would need to take the cluster offline for a day to enable them to run the tests required to get it listed or something to that effect and that was the reason it was never done. Good point. Indeeed they would have to run the benchmark in order to submit the cluster for consideration, however they also have Singularity, and isn't that a replica of Tranquility?
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Cypherous I think the reason given at the last public ask of this is that they would need to take the cluster offline for a day to enable them to run the tests required to get it listed or something to that effect and that was the reason it was never done. If that's the case.. I dont know if I want them to or not. On the one hand, bragging rights and the ability to tell enthusiasts of games with lesser server to **** of and "try playing on a server that's not a toy" On the other.. a whole DAY without EVE? How about I let them, know when my next fishing trip is and they do it then?
sue denim	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Natassia Krasnoo Originally by: Cypherous I think the reason given at the last public ask of this is that they would need to take the cluster offline for a day to enable them to run the tests required to get it listed or something to that effect and that was the reason it was never done. Good point. Indeeed they would have to run the benchmark in order to submit the cluster for consideration, however they also have Singularity, and isn't that a replica of Tranquility? an extremely watered down version.... ;p
Natassia Krasnoo Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Akita T #500 BladeCenter HS21 Cluster, EM64T Xeon dual core 2.66 GHz, 3528 cores I'm pretty sure the EVE cluster isn't quite on par with that. Yeah but from what i remember its not a contest about number of cores but pure computing power. Yes, it is about the score they recieve from the benchmark, and not the size of the cluster itself. There are 4 other Gaming clusters that made the list. As far as I remember there is no other Gaming cluster more powerful than Tranquility that I know of.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Crackzilla on 23/06/2009 17:19:40 The ccp cluster is about the size of a medium/large company datacenter. Of which there will be multiple datacenters. So it isn't all that special in terms of size or resources.
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Natassia Krasnoo Originally by: Cypherous I think the reason given at the last public ask of this is that they would need to take the cluster offline for a day to enable them to run the tests required to get it listed or something to that effect and that was the reason it was never done. Good point. Indeeed they would have to run the benchmark in order to submit the cluster for consideration, however they also have Singularity, and isn't that a replica of Tranquility? SISI is a similar setup to TQ but nowhere near the same size, running it on SISI could be interesting as a rough estimate of what TQ might be able to achieve.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Akita T #500 BladeCenter HS21 Cluster, EM64T Xeon dual core 2.66 GHz, 3528 cores I'm pretty sure the EVE cluster isn't quite on par with that. Yeah but from what i remember its not a contest about number of cores but pure computing power. I'm sure that 3528 cores at 2.66GHz beat a couple of hundred of cores at just about any speed in "pure computing power" no matter how you put it. From three separate devblogs... "Our 3.0Ghz Intel Woodcrest blades are nice, but that processor architecture has been replaced by Wolfdale, which is even more powerful. So we have put a fast-track order in for some Intel Xeon 3.3Ghz Wolfdale blades. We expect to have these in the cluster very soon and we anticipate these will give us an even bigger performance boost than we have seen so far, paving the way for a new Tranquility Cluster. It is worth noting that the hardware we are beginning to purchase now is the hardware that will see us all the way into the HPC era. There will be a detailed presentation about the status of this project at Fanfest in November." then "In total, we now have 34 of these ultra powerful blades in the cluster - 26 running as SOL blades, and 8 running as Proxy blades. That gives us a total of 104 out of 208 nodes running on brand new hardware! That's right, half of Tranquility is running on shiny new top of the line hardware as of Christmas ;)" then "we replaced half of the cluster around Christmas. Around 3 weeks ago we replaced the other half of our sol servers. The new servers have 3.3 GHz Wolfdale CPUs and 16 GB of RAM and replace our old 2.8 GHz AMDs that have 4 GB of RAM. With this upgrade we were able to start running all of our cluster on 64-bit processes, but we had to run 32-bit processes on machines that had 4 GB RAM due to the RAM usage overhead of 64-bit processes." That's roughly one order of magnitude below #500 on that list in raw computing power, IMO.
Natassia Krasnoo Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.06.23 17:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Akita T #500 BladeCenter HS21 Cluster, EM64T Xeon dual core 2.66 GHz, 3528 cores I'm pretty sure the EVE cluster isn't quite on par with that. Yeah but from what i remember its not a contest about number of cores but pure computing power. I'm sure that 3528 cores at 2.66GHz beat a couple of hundred of cores at just about any speed in "pure computing power" no matter how you put it. From three separate devblogs... "Our 3.0Ghz Intel Woodcrest blades are nice, but that processor architecture has been replaced by Wolfdale, which is even more powerful. So we have put a fast-track order in for some Intel Xeon 3.3Ghz Wolfdale blades. We expect to have these in the cluster very soon and we anticipate these will give us an even bigger performance boost than we have seen so far, paving the way for a new Tranquility Cluster. It is worth noting that the hardware we are beginning to purchase now is the hardware that will see us all the way into the HPC era. There will be a detailed presentation about the status of this project at Fanfest in November." then "In total, we now have 34 of these ultra powerful blades in the cluster - 26 running as SOL blades, and 8 running as Proxy blades. That gives us a total of 104 out of 208 nodes running on brand new hardware! That's right, half of Tranquility is running on shiny new top of the line hardware as of Christmas ;)" then "we replaced half of the cluster around Christmas. Around 3 weeks ago we replaced the other half of our sol servers. The new servers have 3.3 GHz Wolfdale CPUs and 16 GB of RAM and replace our old 2.8 GHz AMDs that have 4 GB of RAM. With this upgrade we were able to start running all of our cluster on 64-bit processes, but we had to run 32-bit processes on machines that had 4 GB RAM due to the RAM usage overhead of 64-bit processes." That's roughly one order of magnitude below #500 on that list in raw computing power, IMO. Regardless I'd still like to see the results of a benchmark of the Tranquility server, as would others here I'm sure. Perhaps in a future DevBlog please?
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2009.06.23 18:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: CCP ...we now have 34 of these ultra powerful blades in the cluster ... we replaced half of the cluster around Christmas. Around 3 weeks ago we replaced the other half of our sol servers. The new servers have 3.3 GHz Wolfdale CPUs and 16 GB of RAM ... So in total TQ is running on 68 blades with two xenon processors each, where each xenon has 2 cores.. That's 68 x 2 x 2 = 272 cores @3.3GHz .. I think for the #500 we need to put our 10.000 client side machines into the pot
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.06.23 19:21:00 - [17] Edited by: Akita T on 23/06/2009 19:23:12 Originally by: Tres Farmer So in total TQ is running on 68 blades with two xenon processors each, where each xenon has 2 cores.. = 272 cores @3.3GHz More likely (8 christmas SOL blades + 26 christmas node blades + 26 apocrypha node blades)22=240 cores EVE issues\|Mining revamp\|Build stuff\|Make ISK
Letrange Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:10:00 - [18] I seem to remember that most of the computer clusters on that list (at least higher up) are running infiniband. Although it's being worked on last I heard TQ was still not infiniband capable. I don't think it's until we get infiniband working on the server that it's even worth thinking about getting listed.
Korrakas Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension	Posted - 2009.06.23 20:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Akita T Originally by: CCP ...we now have 34 of these ultra powerful blades in the cluster ... we replaced half of the cluster around Christmas. Around 3 weeks ago we replaced the other half of our sol servers. The new servers have 3.3 GHz Wolfdale CPUs and 16 GB of RAM ... So in total TQ is running on 68 blades with two xenon processors each, where each xenon has 2 cores.. That's 68 x 2 x 2 = 272 cores @3.3GHz .. I think for the #500 we need to put our 10.000 client side machines into the pot You have my Sword* *i7 920 @ 4.0 GHz Watercooled
My LittleFriend	Posted - 2009.06.23 21:54:00 - [20] not even close, the cluster we had in college (7 years ago now) built out of mostly donated hardware was computationally "bigger" than tranq, and a dual boot cluster :) http://www.clusters.umaine.edu/clusters.php
My LittleFriend	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:14:00 - [21] another interesting thing, outside of the benchmark game the worlds largest "supercomputer" may well be the the Conflicker botnet, estimated to have control of 8.9 million machines, many in corporate offices (high available bandwidth). Its capable of taking entire countries off the Internet. Thank you microsoft, the security of your software is top notch.
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:17:00 - [22] God, I hope not.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:26:00 - [23] in terms of collness no other servers have eve so the top 500 have no intrest in :) JOIN FOFF NOW CHAT CHANNEL FOR RECRUITMENT INFO
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.23 22:28:00 - [24] on a more awesome note have you seen number one in the 500 Holding onto the No. 1 spot with 1.105 petaflop/s (quadrillions of floating point operations per second) is the Roadrunner system at DOEÆs Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) which was built by IBM and in June 2008 became the first system ever to break the petaflop/s Linpack barrier. It still is one of the most energy efficient systems on the TOP500. OMG do want :)
Aluin Chaput Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Armoured C on a more awesome note have you seen number one in the 500 Holding onto the No. 1 spot with 1.105 petaflop/s (quadrillions of floating point operations per second) is the Roadrunner system at DOEÆs Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) which was built by IBM and in June 2008 became the first system ever to break the petaflop/s Linpack barrier. It still is one of the most energy efficient systems on the TOP500. OMG do want :) I would love to see what that could do... Digits of pie to a trillion anybody?

CCP SessionChange	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Aluin Chaput I would love to see what that could do... Digits of pie to a trillion anybody? How about "life, th universe and everything"?

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:17:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP SessionChange Originally by: Aluin Chaput I would love to see what that could do... Digits of pie to a trillion anybody? How about "life, th universe and everything"? Typo Fail
Illwill Bill Svea Rike	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:17:00 - [28] Everybody knows what the answer is (rumor says that it was even used as a seed to create the initial EVE universe). What we need is a question.
SpaceSquirrels Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:20:00 - [29] Eve has what a total of a few hundred processors running? Comps on that list had what 100k+ some thought I saw one with over 200k. There's your answer right there. Anyone know what the power bill on the top one would run a month?
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.24 00:23:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP SessionChange Originally by: Aluin Chaput I would love to see what that could do... Digits of pie to a trillion anybody? How about "life, th universe and everything"? I thought a few hundred forms have to be filled to make a post . Happy to announce "In before edit" on your post though.

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