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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:11:00 -
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It seems by the minutes that a large part of the CSM is treating this as an ego vehicle and voting down issues they don't understand without any attempt to get a valid idea of the situation or come up with a genuine opinion.
Most were likely elected through the voting sites XSS security hole so I propose they all get sacked and we start again.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:12:00 -
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not a joke.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 24/06/2009 03:17:54
ok which csm member wants to take this one up
i got my alliance to vote me in and purchased ****loads of pet votes how do you like that |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:38:00 -
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Well that confirms the ego vehicle thought....
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.06.24 05:18:00 -
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Alleging that the site had a security hole that affected the results is a bold claim. The results were pretty much exactly what I expected, and pretty much what everyone else expected too. The voter turnout was in line with past results, not spiking as one might expect if revoting was possible.
Precisely which of the elected CSMers do you think got in on the security hole? The head of the third-biggest alliance in the game? The chosen candidates of the biggest? The training director of the alliance with the most ex-members in the game? The well-respected secretary from the last CSM? The candidates who won all had large and obvious constituencies, and they got vote totals in line with what those constituencies would be expected to be able to produce.
Also, while I haven't always been pleased with CSM decisions over the last year, I have generally been impressed with the candidates. Of the 21 people who have sat on the CSM, there has been maybe 2 who have failed to give their position the respect and dedication it deserves, and I'm not sure who the second would be. Some have been crazy, some have overstepped their bounds, some have been more than a little whimsical about the process, but when push comes to shove, they take it seriously and do their jobs. I don't always agree with the decisions that they make, but that's democracy - you don't win them all. Don't attack their motives just because you think that they made a bad call.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.06.24 05:24:00 -
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There are reports of people who went to vote however they couldn't because the system believed they had already voted.
The CSM vote form features no confirmation or one-time security tokens in the fields.
Meaning it can be exploited by luring an eve player to another website while they're logged into the eve site.
Whoever exploited it managed to keep the numbers within realistic bounds.
This exploit could go some-way to explaining the higher then usual voter turn out.
Of course some of it was more ppl voting, some was ppl voting without their knowledge.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.06.24 05:28:00 -
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Voter turnout in CSM1 was 11%+, voter turnout in CSM2 was 8%+, voter turnout in CSM3 was 9%+. That's not higher than usual, that is usual. Regional distribution was entirely similar to what it had been before(bar exceptions like Hungary's 40%+ in CSM2, given that Tusko wasn't running for CSM3). I'm not a security expert, but just from simple analysis of the results, I see no reason whatsoever to believe that anyone cheated their way on.
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.06.24 05:31:00 -
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there's goons on the csm they musta cheated |
Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.06.24 07:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Zastrow J
there's goons on the csm they musta cheated
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Admiral IceBlock
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.06.24 07:37:00 -
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The reason many of the CSM candidates were voted in was because of alliances backing them up.
Just a larger e-peen contest. |
Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.24 09:20:00 -
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Quote:
It seems by the minutes that a large part of the CSM is treating this as an ego vehicle and voting down issues they don't understand without any attempt to get a valid idea of the situation or come up with a genuine opinion.
Cool story bro, which issues are you referring to?
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Most were likely elected through the voting sites XSS security hole so I propose they all get sacked and we start again.
 I believe the one gentleman who was trying this on wasn't even elected. I can't remember who it was off the top of my head but he was nowhere near getting elected.
Really the distribution of votes and who got in (aside from myself) is nothing particularly out of whack with what was expected.
PS Supporting this motion.
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50freefly
Caldari
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.24 09:54:00 -
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I really think that most candidates legitimately got elected and are really trying to address the issues and represent the people's views, rather than using their office as a vehicle to further their ego.
Larkonis, however, is a blatant cheater and csm egomobile wielder who needs to be removed from office for the sake of the people and CCP's dignity. |
Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.06.24 10:23:00 -
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supporting this topic. Maybe in the revote I can break the 3000 votes mark.
Only 40 more votes, together we can do it!
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Director of Education :: EVE University
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.06.24 11:47:00 -
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I, indeed, take the the OP seriouslly... I'm honest! |
Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2009.06.24 12:17:00 -
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ill support cos i think the topic is so dumb it might just work  |
Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2009.06.24 15:15:00 -
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This Dierdra Vaal girl was always fishy for me. How the hell she get elected without posting her nude pics. I am all for reelections.
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Eithen Kihne
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Posted - 2009.06.24 15:52:00 -
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Get rid of the CSM and full stop.
If you want to know what people think/want, just make polls.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.24 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eithen Kihne
Get rid of the CSM and full stop.
If you want to know what people think/want, just make polls.
Yeah. EVE shouldn't be spreadsheets-online, but polls-online. 
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2009.06.24 16:59:00 -
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I totally agree. There should be a revote.
I suggest CCP takes the next 5ish months to thoroughly eradicate any suspicion of potential exploit in the code, and then we can vote and get rid of these members! Any less time and doubt could still be there, so 5 months should be right...
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Oam Mkoll
Caldari
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Oam Mkoll on 24/06/2009 18:11:10
On one hand this is just the Galactic Senate for a game of internet spaceships. On the other is CSM supposed to mean something for the players (and there's quite a number of them).
CSM delegates shouldn't participate in threads like this one because it does hurt the status of their position and the supposedly special status of the Assembly Hall forum.
edit: typofail
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.24 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Oam Mkoll
Edited by: Oam Mkoll on 24/06/2009 18:11:10
On one hand this is just the Galactic Senate for a game of internet spaceships. On the other is CSM supposed to mean something for the players (and there's quite a number of them).
CSM delegates shouldn't participate in threads like this one because it does hurt the status of their position and the supposedly special status of the Assembly Hall forum.
edit: typofail
What concerns me is the number of (joking or otherwise) CSM reps that supported this idea. I mean, whatever, it's just internet spaceships, but really? This is the sort of representation we have? |
Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2009.06.24 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
What concerns me is the number of (joking or otherwise) CSM reps that supported this idea. I mean, whatever, it's just internet spaceships, but really? This is the sort of representation we have?
The support is on the same level of seriousness as the original poster's idea... |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.24 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: De''Veldrin on 24/06/2009 19:30:42
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: De'Veldrin
What concerns me is the number of (joking or otherwise) CSM reps that supported this idea. I mean, whatever, it's just internet spaceships, but really? This is the sort of representation we have?
The support is on the same level of seriousness as the original poster's idea...
Politicians aren't allowed a sense of humor damnit! You must have seen that in the application brochure, I'm sure.
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.06.24 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
What concerns me is the number of (joking or otherwise) CSM reps that supported this idea. I mean, whatever, it's just internet spaceships, but really? This is the sort of representation we have?
I'm just wondering why Erik and Avalloc are missing the party. |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.06.24 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 24/06/2009 22:05:58
I'm betting OP is involved in FW and feeling rather bitter.
In any case, when someone disagrees with your opinion attacking their judgment and whitewashing the issues discussed as shot down by bias or ignorance isn't productive- or rational.
That kind of verbal attack belongs to the period prior to voting, that is if everyone isn't too busy smurfing votes and exploiting
Clearly Larkonis possesses some form of mind control device hidden away on his skull shaped volcanic pacific island. Wallpaper your house in fine mesh chickenwire, its the only way to be safe.
Not supporting as CCP is such a bunch of numptys they might take it seriously! Hi Zymurgist 
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
I'm just wondering why Erik and Avalloc are missing the party.
Ank wont let him, or he feels marginalized and the latter is busy being a goonie goon
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.25 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Marlona Sky on 25/06/2009 07:16:05
Originally by: Zastrow J
there's goons on the csm they musta cheated
If the shoe fits...
But in all seriousness, the voting is legit. The problem is if an issue a CSM member thinks bringing up a particular issue will hurt thier alliances progress in the game, they will not bring it up or support it, even if they are supposed to represent the community.
And for those who are not in the same alliance as a CSM member and actually thought they would represent you, shame on you!
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.06.25 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
Edited by: Marlona Sky on 25/06/2009 07:16:05
Originally by: Zastrow J
there's goons on the csm they musta cheated
If the shoe fits...
But in all seriousness, the voting is legit. The problem is if an issue a CSM member thinks bringing up a particular issue will hurt thier alliances progress in the game, they will not bring it up or support it, even if they are supposed to represent the community.
And for those who are not in the same alliance as a CSM member and actually thought they would represent you, shame on you!
its true, the UI changes proposal i made is specifically designed only to be avaliable to goonswarm and pandemic legion. kenzoku will get a "different" redesigned UI that features giant pictures of elephant seals replacing the ships and all pvp related buttons removed.
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Kayakaue
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Posted - 2009.06.25 12:54:00 -
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i agree
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Shatana Fulfairas
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.06.25 14:33:00 -
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will be interesting to see where this goes....
but supporting the CSM as one of their alternate's
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This Dierdra Vaal girl was always fishy for me. How the hell she get elected without posting her nude pics. I am all for reelections.
do all females have to get thier kit off to actully be on the CSM?...
/me goes off to look for a camera :P
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.06.25 19:04:00 -
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Maybe next time I will be able to raise enough votes to get Yamamoto-san in.
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StationSpinner
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Posted - 2009.06.25 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Labarre
Maybe next time I will be able to raise enough votes to get Yamamoto-san in.
No one can get that premature geriatric elected, not even God  |
Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:50:00 -
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This thread is ******ed. CSM is doing fine, and your assumption that they all made it in through an exploit is silly.  |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.06.26 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: StationSpinner
Originally by: Jin Labarre
Maybe next time I will be able to raise enough votes to get Yamamoto-san in.
No one can get that premature geriatric elected, not even God
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: StationSpinner
Originally by: Jin Labarre
Maybe next time I will be able to raise enough votes to get Yamamoto-san in.
No one can get that premature geriatric elected, not even God
I'm hoping you're wrong. It'd be nice to have someone sedate to be the voice of reason on the council for a change.
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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