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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.09.20 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kerosene on 20/09/2004 05:58:41
So this is the deal. I'm a pvp'er with just about zero skills in science and industry. I'm based in a system near 0.0 but sometimes things are a little slow or whatever and I look for other things to do. Usually I do agent missions or something but all the agent missions are courier around where I live and tbh, that drives me nuts.
So I figured I'd have a bash at making stuff for pvp'ing for myself. The question is, can I make stuff and still save money in the long run if I have..
Industry 1.
That's it :) No refining, minimal mining and barely enough skills for a badger mk2
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.09.20 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kerosene on 20/09/2004 05:58:41
So this is the deal. I'm a pvp'er with just about zero skills in science and industry. I'm based in a system near 0.0 but sometimes things are a little slow or whatever and I look for other things to do. Usually I do agent missions or something but all the agent missions are courier around where I live and tbh, that drives me nuts.
So I figured I'd have a bash at making stuff for pvp'ing for myself. The question is, can I make stuff and still save money in the long run if I have..
Industry 1.
That's it :) No refining, minimal mining and barely enough skills for a badger mk2
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Obfuscate
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Posted - 2004.09.20 05:58:00 -
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No.
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Obfuscate
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Posted - 2004.09.20 05:58:00 -
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No.
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2004.09.20 14:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Obfuscate
No.
lol. Not living up to your name, at all.
Sev
And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. |
Severe McCald
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Posted - 2004.09.20 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Obfuscate
No.
lol. Not living up to your name, at all.
Sev
And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. |
Sable Moran
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Posted - 2004.09.20 14:58:00 -
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Obfus. gave the short answer. I'll try to expand a little.
If you look carefully you can buy minerals for a low or lowish price. That lowers the need for you to mine and refine. Mining skills or lack there of doesn't matter for the end cost, they only make the mining faster. Refining skills are important if you want to save ISK. Refine lvl 5 and ref. eff. lvl 3, aim for those.
Prod. eff. skill is also very important if you want to save ISK. Another ISK saving thing is ME level of the blueprints. You only need the skills to use 1 lab slot (science lvl 1? can't remember).
In short, what you really need in addition to that industy skill is PE skill at level 4 minimum, that is the biggest single way of saving ISK on module/ammo production.
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Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices. |
Sable Moran
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Posted - 2004.09.20 14:58:00 -
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Obfus. gave the short answer. I'll try to expand a little.
If you look carefully you can buy minerals for a low or lowish price. That lowers the need for you to mine and refine. Mining skills or lack there of doesn't matter for the end cost, they only make the mining faster. Refining skills are important if you want to save ISK. Refine lvl 5 and ref. eff. lvl 3, aim for those.
Prod. eff. skill is also very important if you want to save ISK. Another ISK saving thing is ME level of the blueprints. You only need the skills to use 1 lab slot (science lvl 1? can't remember).
In short, what you really need in addition to that industy skill is PE skill at level 4 minimum, that is the biggest single way of saving ISK on module/ammo production.
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Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices. |
Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.09.21 08:33:00 -
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Bugger that then. I'll stick with Hybrid 5. Was just a spur of the moment thing..
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.09.21 08:33:00 -
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Bugger that then. I'll stick with Hybrid 5. Was just a spur of the moment thing..
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2004.09.21 23:21:00 -
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Make a production alt and train it up to prod eff lvl4
Buy the minerals if you do not want to do the mining yourself, or train mining and refining also.
This should be faster than trying to train what can be a pvp char with mediocre int/mem stats.
While PE4 woth take you to the top of the builders class, it should get you within 5% of their efficiency at a lot less of an investment in skill points.
WTB. Infifitrator I drones |
Phaethon
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Posted - 2004.09.21 23:21:00 -
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Make a production alt and train it up to prod eff lvl4
Buy the minerals if you do not want to do the mining yourself, or train mining and refining also.
This should be faster than trying to train what can be a pvp char with mediocre int/mem stats.
While PE4 woth take you to the top of the builders class, it should get you within 5% of their efficiency at a lot less of an investment in skill points.
WTB. Infifitrator I drones |
Shakul
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Posted - 2004.09.22 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Shakul on 22/09/2004 04:03:27
Edited by: Shakul on 22/09/2004 04:00:13
Well, if you don't have mining or refining, you might consider just buying the ores, or recycling loot. PE 5 is a must for all producers. It means life or death in pricewars (a PE5 competitor can sell at cost and force you to take a loss when you sell). ME15 or 20 is nice with BPOs/BPCs. I would use BPOs for any ships you build, since they have a high cost per run, so they cut out of profits. You might consider making a mining/building alt if you don't want to buy implants or your current character has a ****ty mem/int. A mem +3 and an int +3 will cost around 55mil, quite a lot.
The industry skill is pretty useless, unless you have to make a bunch of stuff out of one factory. Its more effective to get this other skill that allows you to operate multiple factories (forget the name). If you don't have any science skills, i would just buy the BPOs pre-researched, or get a corpie to do it.
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.09.22 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Shakul on 22/09/2004 04:03:27
Edited by: Shakul on 22/09/2004 04:00:13
Well, if you don't have mining or refining, you might consider just buying the ores, or recycling loot. PE 5 is a must for all producers. It means life or death in pricewars (a PE5 competitor can sell at cost and force you to take a loss when you sell). ME15 or 20 is nice with BPOs/BPCs. I would use BPOs for any ships you build, since they have a high cost per run, so they cut out of profits. You might consider making a mining/building alt if you don't want to buy implants or your current character has a ****ty mem/int. A mem +3 and an int +3 will cost around 55mil, quite a lot.
The industry skill is pretty useless, unless you have to make a bunch of stuff out of one factory. Its more effective to get this other skill that allows you to operate multiple factories (forget the name). If you don't have any science skills, i would just buy the BPOs pre-researched, or get a corpie to do it.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Loirin Engelk
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Posted - 2004.09.23 13:37:00 -
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...and if you ever want to make tech II stuff you'll need Industry 5 and on top of that: object dependent science skills which again means Science 5 and either/all of Electronics/Mechanics/Engineering 5.
This is NOT a job for a fighter char, it'll simply take too long.
However if you just want to make stuff for yourself out of bought BPCs and you can stick to industry 1 and ramp up Production Eficiency to 4. That should be enough to let you build anything cheaper than the market... No matter how you get the minerals...
Good Luck
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Loirin Engelk
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Posted - 2004.09.23 13:37:00 -
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...and if you ever want to make tech II stuff you'll need Industry 5 and on top of that: object dependent science skills which again means Science 5 and either/all of Electronics/Mechanics/Engineering 5.
This is NOT a job for a fighter char, it'll simply take too long.
However if you just want to make stuff for yourself out of bought BPCs and you can stick to industry 1 and ramp up Production Eficiency to 4. That should be enough to let you build anything cheaper than the market... No matter how you get the minerals...
Good Luck
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Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
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Zaneg
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Posted - 2004.10.03 10:27:00 -
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PvP players need to stick to their style of play. I suggest ore thieving 
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Zaneg
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Posted - 2004.10.03 10:27:00 -
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PvP players need to stick to their style of play. I suggest ore thieving
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