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Splaterbug	Posted - 2009.06.26 14:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Splaterbug on 26/06/2009 14:56:52 So i want to put together a tar for some losec work, mostly used with an alt probing out people, but also the ocasional hit and run in a belt. Ishtar, YarTar Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I,Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I,CN Anti M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I,CN Anti M Modal Electron Particle Accelerator I,CN Anti M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I 5x Ogre t2, 5x HH t2, 5x Warrior t2, 5x EC-600 + various spares The guns arent t2 as i havent finished training them (crosstrained from min), but as my drone skills are all up to scratch (lvl 5 DI, heavies ect) would this matter? Also, I've never gotten sentry skills, but would i need them? Idea is to get close and open up, throw out some ecm's if i feel the need to GTFO. Any ideas/suggestions/flames welcome
iShift Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.06.26 15:13:00 - [2] Use your autocannon skills to your advantage and fit them.
W0wbagger	Posted - 2009.06.26 16:43:00 - [3] could consider dropping (a couple?) guns/neuts and sticking a prober on it - presuming most of your dps is drones anyway? no eft here so no idea what your cpu is like mind
battlebot1077 Off-Axis Response	Posted - 2009.06.26 16:57:00 - [4] Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Drone Navigation Computer I Warp Disruptor II Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small YF-12a Smartbomb Small Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I Small Graviton Smartbomb I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Auxiliary Thrusters I and droens of course. I find this setup very effective at yarring. orbiting at 12km at ~1.7 - 2km/s cap stable (courtesy of nos) and drones havign their fun will do short work of your victim.
Kovorix	Posted - 2009.06.26 18:50:00 - [5] Edited by: Kovorix on 26/06/2009 18:51:15 Honestly if all you are doing is ganking PVErs, I wouldn't recommend the nano fit, cause its usually nice to have lots of tackle and an active tank for killing big things. I'd say go with something more like this: lows: 2x MAR 1x exp hardener 1x DCU II 1x EANM meds: 1x 10m AB II 1x 24km point 1x scram 1x web 1x medium cap booster II highs: 3x autos or blasters maybe a neut or two killing mission runners usually requires an AB. In belts if you don't land within 24km of your target he will likely get away anyway. Bring 2 different sets of heavies. If you want to fight actual pvpers you are pretty well off with the fit you posted.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark	Posted - 2009.06.26 21:20:00 - [6] Originally by: battlebot1077 Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Drone Navigation Computer I Warp Disruptor II Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Small YF-12a Smartbomb Small Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I Small Graviton Smartbomb I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Auxiliary Thrusters I and droens of course. I find this setup very effective at yarring. orbiting at 12km at ~1.7 - 2km/s cap stable (courtesy of nos) and drones havign their fun will do short work of your victim. The first ship with a mwd and an overloaded web and you are dead in the water. My rupture could take you out in this setup.
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.06.26 23:34:00 - [7] i'll help you out. this is my fav setup for solo. if youre gonna be taking down people in belts, just swap the scrambler for disruptor. the small neuts will allow you to take care of all active tanked ships. bouncers are there to let you bring pain 10-70km. 59k EHP. you can mess around with the mids...TD is helpful sometimes. no harm in having both disruptor and scrambler. main thing is versatility...you gotta have lots of tank, passive preferably; tackle; ability to engage at different ranges. [Ishtar, versatile] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II N-Type Explosive Hardener I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25 Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Ogre II x5 Bouncer II x5
Kovorix	Posted - 2009.06.27 03:14:00 - [8] Edited by: Kovorix on 27/06/2009 03:15:16 UMEE i think you have it the wrong way around. There is no way to pack enough tank on an ishtar to make it worth the price tag over a battlecruiser or even battleship. The only thing about the ship that makes it worthwhile is the fact that its fast and its a cruiser... so why ruin that with plates? The nano fit i use puts me just over 2km/s, which is plenty fast enough to stay out of the range of other cruisers (apart from the vagabond). Why sit there and be out-tanked and out-ganked by almost any battlecruiser when you can keep range on almost any ship you want to kill? ps. battlebot your setup is terrible.
Nixeh Gallente Quam Singulari Cult of War	Posted - 2009.06.27 03:27:00 - [9] Personally i dont see the point in going nanofit or speedfit, then having small neuts on, if your fast u dont want to be close. Id try 3x 150mm II's for drones frigs etc then just a med corpum a-type nos if u can afford it 19km range. Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.06.27 03:52:00 - [10] Edited by: UMEE on 27/06/2009 03:53:34 Originally by: Kovorix Edited by: Kovorix on 27/06/2009 03:15:16 UMEE i think you have it the wrong way around. There is no way to pack enough tank on an ishtar to make it worth the price tag over a battlecruiser or even battleship. this is absolutely true. so the question becomes: why solo in an Ishtar? some people just like doing everything in one ship... Originally by: Kovorix The only thing about the ship that makes it worthwhile is the fact that its fast and its a cruiser... It's not fast. However, putting a nice buffer on a ship that has lots of mids, neuts, superior range and decent dps makes it one deadly cruiser. Originally by: Kovorix so why ruin that with plates? gives you the best tank, while allowing you to retain functionality with mids. and guess what, youre still more agile than a bc. Originally by: Kovorix The nano fit i use puts me just over 2km/s, which is plenty fast enough to stay out of the range of other cruisers (apart from the vagabond). Why sit there and be out-tanked and out-ganked by almost any battlecruiser when you can keep range on almost any ship you want to kill? the reality is: you wont keep range. you wont be having fantasy 1 on 1's (unless youre preying on newbies in belts), so you'll need a multifunctional setup. nano for anything but the vaga is almost completely dead. the only use i find for it is for the sniper ishtar because you just cant fit much else, and 2km/s works....from 50-100km...because you have time to react. if you truly believe you can get a 1vs1, then rest assured you can bring down any BC with the setup I posted.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.06.27 04:20:00 - [11] TBH I have been thinking about maybe picking up an Ishtar and fitting it like this, since the Myrm is bad IMO and I don't have the skills (or interest in training) for a Dominix. Plus the domi is fugly. Quote: [Ishtar, Brawler II] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 Plus assorted drones of course. 62-63k EHP, 530+ dps, can get in close and get under guns with the TD or try to stay closer to 9km and use scorch and the range script, fast tracking guns and neuts (and other drones) for frigs. Thoughts? __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.06.27 08:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Terianna Eri 62-63k EHP, 530+ dps, can get in close and get under guns with the TD or try to stay closer to 9km and use scorch and the range script, fast tracking guns and neuts (and other drones) for frigs. Thoughts? I don't fly Ishtars, but, speaking from BC pilot POV, such fit can provide nice fights against :) It's somewhat lacking DPS+EHP for straightforward fights, so proper BC will still eat it, but otherwise it can be fun, I think.
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2009.06.27 14:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Kovorix Edited by: Kovorix on 27/06/2009 03:15:16 UMEE i think you have it the wrong way around. There is no way to pack enough tank on an ishtar to make it worth the price tag over a battlecruiser or even battleship. The only thing about the ship that makes it worthwhile is the fact that its fast and its a cruiser... so why ruin that with plates? The nano fit i use puts me just over 2km/s, which is plenty fast enough to stay out of the range of other cruisers (apart from the vagabond). Why sit there and be out-tanked and out-ganked by almost any battlecruiser when you can keep range on almost any ship you want to kill? ps. battlebot your setup is terrible. I roll with a setup very close to UMEE's. The only diference is mainly that I fit a medium armor rep in the lows. It's not the tank that makes it better then a BC or BS. People very much under estimate how much of a role agility plays and a plated ishtar is STILL more agile then most BC's and a LOT more agile then all BS's. Plus with a mix of sentry drones and other drones you can engage effectively at pretty much every range all with one fit. Now the argument could be made that the domi does everything the ishtar does and does it at a lower price tag. To some extent I agree with that. But at least for me fighting in 0.0 my alliance only uses BS's for remote rep. All roaming gangs are BC and below. This is because BS's are just bloody slow. Don't get me wrong, I love my neut domi. It is a fantastic ship. If the myrm had 100 mb bandwidth instead of 75 I would probably fly that in stead of the the ishtar. But it doesnt and I doubt it ever will so when it comes to a fairly agile ship, that can survive for a whileand engage at multiple ranges, I,m left with the Ishtar.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.06.27 21:21:00 - [14] Trying to fit an ishtar makes me Q_Q

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