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Moredeeb	Posted - 2009.06.26 18:21:00 - [1] Is it determined by the # of years online, isk amounts, kill-points, leadership roles , owning a corp etc... Please clue me in so i can have something to shoot for...Thanks
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.26 18:29:00 - [2] It's obviously your knowledge of the game and its intricacies. Any other answer would be silly.
Moredeeb	Posted - 2009.06.26 18:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Gartel Reiman It's obviously your knowledge of the game and its intricacies. Any other answer would be silly. So if i go in a 4 week Hyades devoting myself to the study of learning all the intricacies of the game i can be a vet in 4 weeks? because I'm only in my 3rd month of playing eve.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.06.26 18:54:00 - [4] The knowledge comes with playing the game but also (as you exaggerated) from reading the forums and guides. At 3 months into the game I probably knew more than the people I played with - most of whom had played for a year, but they never came on the forums (whereas I am a forum regular). FREE! jumpclone service: Forum thread\|Podlog
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.06.26 18:57:00 - [5] "Vet" is a relative term. If you are training newbies, then you are a vet to them, even if you are completely clueless in comparison to some others.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.06.26 19:17:00 - [6] You can be a vet that sold all characters and given everything to his old friends, starting fresh on a trial account... or you can be a 5-year-old character owner newbie, by never having bothered to find out anything more than the basics, and only engaging in a small subsection of what the game has to offer. So, yes, game knowledge/experience is one of the most important factors in calling somebody newb-vs-vet.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.06.26 20:12:00 - [7] Edited by: Kessiaan on 26/06/2009 20:13:36 For me, there was no 'Eureka' moment or anything like that, but now I generally think back to my first pvp encounter as the time I stopped being a noob (though I wouldn't consider myself a vet at that point by any means). I'd been playing about two weeks, and this guy flipped my can. I was tired of it, I wasn't going to take it anymore, vengeance shall be mine, all that stuff and I didn't care that he was umpty-years older than me SP-wise. I went back to the station, got my mission Rupture, went back, and shot it out. And I won. And that day I realized that raw skillpoint numbers are the smallest part of a very big equation. I didn't really start to consider myself a vet until I joined Microfunks a few months ago, and hand out sagely wisdom to our noobs (along with dumping old station cans on them ). All those industry skills I learned back when I was new are actually useful again in the form a lowsec shipbuilding / T1-hull replacement program, and even though I've yet to master any of the bigger and/or more popular ships in EvE due to the aforementioned big industry focus for my first year, I do just fine roaming around in lowsec in a T2 frig or T1 cruiser because I'm familiar with the game mechanics and my combat skillpoints are very tightly specialized as I was experienced enough to know to train that way when I switched over from industry to pvp.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.06.26 20:19:00 - [8] I consider myself a vet in a few areas, namely Amarr missionrunning, ninja salvaging, corporation leadership, and 0.0 gang PVP. I consider myself an "expert" in fewer of those. Even after 25 million skillpoints, though, I consider myself a total newb when it comes to mining or trading. -// recruit me //-
knifee Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.06.26 20:27:00 - [9] You are a vet after realising that the game breaking change to your favorite ship, didn't break the game after all.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.06.26 21:06:00 - [10] It is more about what you know, and your experience with the game, as others have pointed out here. If you're looking for a skill point number, usually you've got a "mature" character when you hit about 20 million. -Karlemgne

Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2009.06.26 21:32:00 - [11] If you have to ask if you're still a noob, then you're still a noob
Kassa Daito	Posted - 2009.06.26 21:53:00 - [12] Originally by: knifee You are a vet after realising that the game breaking change to your favorite ship, didn't break the game after all. I like this criteria best: You're a vet when you have enough perspective to realize that EVE is bigger than you.
Cyno Sid	Posted - 2009.06.26 22:26:00 - [13] My own view is actually never. I've played this game nearly every evening for 3 or 4 hours (sometimes longer, just ask my ex-wife) for several years now and every time I play I learn something new. When I PVP my heart races and my hands sweat and when I make some decent isk I bore my colleagues at work with the details. Don't aim for being a 'vet'. Aim for being a good team player. Get into a good Corp, drift down to 00 when ready, get yourself some responsibility within the corp, take a fleet out or run mining ops or something and help others develop. Those that state they are vets have probably just spent the last 3 years mining veld in Lonetrek. Those that come close to it keep quiet and enjoy the game. You know you are nearly there when you stop worrying about it.
Baba Ganouche	Posted - 2009.06.27 01:58:00 - [14] Quote: So if i go in a 4 week Hyades devoting myself to the study of learning all the intricacies of the game i can be a vet in 4 weeks? because I'm only in my 3rd month of playing eve. Worst spelling of hiatus ever?
Moredeeb	Posted - 2009.06.27 03:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Baba Ganouche Quote: So if i go in a 4 week Hyades devoting myself to the study of learning all the intricacies of the game i can be a vet in 4 weeks? because I'm only in my 3rd month of playing eve. Worst spelling of hiatus ever? correction made, thanks ...do you have any substance to add to the topic?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.06.27 04:44:00 - [16] I moved away from noob a while back imo, just a jaded vet/bitter forum troll now, one or the other depending on the day/post. probably be a bit less bitter if my computer would properly work. logging in to play for 10-20mins then computer crashing is real fun all that stuff you mention helps but hey, as long as you are having some fun it is all good
Tranka Verrane Public Venture Enterprises	Posted - 2009.06.27 10:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Tranka Verrane on 27/06/2009 10:45:13 The words veteran and noob get bandied about a lot in Eve. I would counsel you to use the latter as little as possible, as to anyone past their first month or so it is the worst insult there is. No-one likes to think of themself as a noob. However the question must be asked; what makes a veteran? When do you have the right to start dispelling advice? Well the first thing that should be said is that Eve is huge. Never mind the size of the galaxy, the amount of detail in the mechanics of it and their interaction is simply staggering. Whilst there are some established 'best ways' to do things it is always possible to think outside the box and come up with some viable and effective way to do whatever it is you want. Be careful of reinventing the wheel, though. The thing to beware of most is anyone who thinks they have it all sewn up. You can see them all over; people who think their way is the only way. Ask their advice but never take it as gospel (and that includes mine). There are so many reasons to argue for veteran status; character age, time spent online, time spent in combat, time spent in PVP, ISK earnt, out of game research done, skillpoints attained... The list goes on and on. Equally each of those has an argument against it. Someone could start a character now and only log in to change skills once a week for five years; Are they a veteran? Skillpoints grow harder and harder to attain; level 5 in any skill takes longer than levels 1-4 combined for around a quarter of the advantage. We could argue forever about which is more important. Ultimately if you have an answer to give someone, then don't be afraid to offer it, whether you have been in the game five minutes or five years. But the second you think you know it all... Then there is a word for what you are. And it isn't veteran.
Mitawyn Caldari ALLIED TACTICAL TECHNOLOGIES The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2009.06.27 17:32:00 - [18] With the ever changing game mechanics and things that players figure out to do with them, I don't think one ever stops being a noob.
Johann Callasan Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.27 23:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Moredeeb Is it determined by the # of years online, isk amounts, kill-points, leadership roles , owning a corp etc... Please clue me in so i can have something to shoot for...Thanks Best advice I can give you are the three divisions popularized over at Ctrl-Alt-Del: 1) NEWB - (short for newbie) New player to a game, shows potential by being willing to learn the game and to take advice from other players. Has potential to be great. 2) NOOB (or n00b): Either new or old doesn't matter, player is characterized by a certain level of arrogance. Thinks they know it all, is unwilling (or unable) to actually learn the game, and is unwilling to consider anyone else's opinion on anything. What they used to call a "Counterstrike kiddie" since FPSs seem to be infested with them. Will often cheat or use cheap tricks to win. 3) VET (veteran): Player that has actually learned the game, knows how to do things in a efficient manner. Hasn't lost the newb trait of being able to learn from others who try something new, and is often willing to share his/her knowledge with others that aren't n00bs. Player who doesn't need to prove anything, they know the game well enough that they can be gracious abotu it, both in winning or losing. As you can see fromt he above, time played has NOTHING to do with being a "vet". Attitude, personality, and willingness to learn are what separates the newb with potential fromt he permanent n00b. Newbs can ALWAYS become vets - sadly, a n00b will ALWAYS be a n00b, no matter what.
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.06.28 02:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Moredeeb Is it determined by the # of years online, isk amounts, kill-points, leadership roles , owning a corp etc... Please clue me in so i can have something to shoot for...Thanks When you legitimately defeat another player in combat. That's when you're no longer a noob. Can baiting and other lame PvP tactics don't count. You genuinely have to defeat a non-consenting player who is fitted for PvP.

The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.06.28 08:10:00 - [21] Play at least 15 hours a week, expose yourself to different situations, regularly read different sections of EVE forums, live in different regions, join different corps, do pvp, manufacturing, trading, scamming, exploration, try running a corp, play solo and as part of an alliance. Do this and just wait for your enthusiasm for the game wane after you have sampled everything. At one point it will become "same ol' then it will strike you that you have just become an EVE vet
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2009.06.28 14:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker "Vet" is a relative term. If you are training newbies, then you are a vet to them, even if you are completely clueless in comparison to some others. This is the best answer. There are other good ones but this one is the best as it gets to the most important point. "At what?" is my question for the OP. EVE is to complicated a game for everyone to be knowledgeable about everything (though I try ... it doesn't mean it's going to happen ...). So you may be a Veteran PVP player but - even then - "what kind of PVP Player?" You may be a Veteran Mission Runner running Level IV's in Battleships and pulling in Millions of ISK per hour ... but ... go take on someone who is really a Vet in PVP ... and you'll see just what a frakking noob you are at that (unless of course - you do happen to be good at both). Same thing with Industry or trading (which each have their own sub-specialties). You go out and try to do something you've not done before and - after doing it long enough to know what you are doing - you are going to laugh at the things you did when starting out. To call yourself a Vet ... all you really have to do, is to have done something for a while. Also ... Being a Vet - doesn't actually mean you are a competent vet. There are people who can play a game for years and still be idiots. All in all - my advice would be to simply not worry about whether you're a vet or not. Having someone confer "vet" status on you means nothing. Just try to learn from your mistakes and strive to improve your game each time you play. As Joe said in another post - there are things I've been doing for a while that I am relatively good at - and there are things about which I am totally clueless. It will probably always be that way but for me - that is a good thing. If I master a game ... then it becomes boring. Another thing - is that ... not as much with EVE as with some twitch games ... but still, there are some things that some people are going to be better at than other people no matter what level of effort is put into it. Take the use of spread sheets into consideration. There are some people who have a natural aptitude for programming and math - that other people simply do not have. Those people may well create and use spreadsheets for their job. When it comes to doing market analysis and calculating just how good a deal it is to buy something and either convert it into minerals or make it out of them - these people have an edge. The things they do every day for their job are trivial to them - yet beyond the capability of many people. Thus - a better question than "are you a vet" is - are you competent at what you are doing? If not - can you improve? If so by how much? How much effort will it take? Is it worth your while? Could you be doing something else which would be more rewarding in ISK and/or fun? Finally, the only question that really matters is - "are you having fun?" This is a game ... and as long as you are having fun - it actually doesn't matter whether you're a noob or a vet or whether you're even competent at anything. Think about it. In terms of real life ... just how much does it matter whether someone has any kind of status playing a computer game? shrug Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.29 01:59:00 - [23] I am still a noob and I have 20+ million SP's. I have read much but not been able to put it into practice, but I am sure that I will catch on very quickly once I get a new computer rig. So as stated above read as much as you can, start small, ask questions, listen, and follow the orders of your FC. Slade
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.29 01:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 29/06/2009 01:59:38 I do not know how that double post happened I did not even have to edit my first post Slade
Mal Lokrano Gallente Faulcon de Lazy	Posted - 2009.06.29 02:43:00 - [25] I don't really think there is a true "vet" per se , everybody is always learning new things on Eve, I feel a better term would be lesser noob . ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always acertain the vintage of the first two.
Raukho Evoke. Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:45:00 - [26] After comming back from war reaching 20 million SP and Ev0ke starting recruiting bigger nubs then me.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:46:00 - [27] When you start answering more questions here than you ask. --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.06.29 12:50:00 - [28] You're a vet when the rest of your peer group says you are. Without inducement. Welcome to the meritocracy.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.29 13:06:00 - [29] To be a little more serious, as a three month old noob I mentioned some things that I picked up on the forums and there were 2+ year old players that had never heard of the stuff in my first alliance. I also mentioned survey scanners to my brother in law who had been playing for two years with one of his pilots being a maxed out miner and he did not know about survey scanners. So it is all pretty relative. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Cthulhu F'tagn	Posted - 2009.06.29 18:56:00 - [30] I've been playing since early 2004 and I'm still a noob (I do however restart every so often when things get too easy/boring)



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