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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 01:31:00 -
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Did I dream this or did the devs acutally say they're in for shiva ?
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 01:31:00 -
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Did I dream this or did the devs acutally say they're in for shiva ?
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.09.21 01:41:00 -
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Yep, but if I read correctly you can only build them in player-owned stations, and they'll need special minerals you can only get from certain environments. Some of these minerals will come from the moon itself, some will come from ice field mining, and some will come from gas cloud mining. Its a pretty good plan.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.09.21 01:41:00 -
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Yep, but if I read correctly you can only build them in player-owned stations, and they'll need special minerals you can only get from certain environments. Some of these minerals will come from the moon itself, some will come from ice field mining, and some will come from gas cloud mining. Its a pretty good plan.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 01:46:00 -
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Ah yes thats what I read cheers.
I just couldnt find it searching through the dev blogs.
but it does bring me to another point which is if they are comming out with shiva why are people still hoarding thier tech2 componets ? They do know that once corps can buy the BPO's to build the components for the tech2 item BPO's they have, the ass will fall out of the compoent market.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 01:46:00 -
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Ah yes thats what I read cheers.
I just couldnt find it searching through the dev blogs.
but it does bring me to another point which is if they are comming out with shiva why are people still hoarding thier tech2 componets ? They do know that once corps can buy the BPO's to build the components for the tech2 item BPO's they have, the ass will fall out of the compoent market.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.09.21 03:34:00 -
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IMO Shiva isn't soon enough. The component problem is now.
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Posted - 2004.09.21 03:34:00 -
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IMO Shiva isn't soon enough. The component problem is now.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 05:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
IMO Shiva isn't soon enough. The component problem is now.
Its not really a 'problem'. Tech2 manufactures and agent runners are making the most of a favourable situation as would we all given half the chance.
IMHO a simple one day quick fix is a really bad idea and dosent amke for a good game. EVE works so well becuase of its slow eb and flow. As the game slowly evolves opportunities rise and fall and only the cunning will be there to make a profit
Eventually tech2 will be as common as tech 1 and people will whine about the shortages of tech 3 and the delay of tech 4 release, wheras other will make the best of a situation and have a alot of fun playing the ever changing EVE.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
IMO Shiva isn't soon enough. The component problem is now.
Its not really a 'problem'. Tech2 manufactures and agent runners are making the most of a favourable situation as would we all given half the chance.
IMHO a simple one day quick fix is a really bad idea and dosent amke for a good game. EVE works so well becuase of its slow eb and flow. As the game slowly evolves opportunities rise and fall and only the cunning will be there to make a profit
Eventually tech2 will be as common as tech 1 and people will whine about the shortages of tech 3 and the delay of tech 4 release, wheras other will make the best of a situation and have a alot of fun playing the ever changing EVE.
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Lord Morgan
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Posted - 2004.09.21 07:37:00 -
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Something to consider:
Today the most Tech 2 components cost about 4k-5k isk when you look on the market. When you recycle them and sell the minerals you get about 6k isk. That would be the production cost if you have a BPO for the component.
But who would produce a component for 6k and sell it for a lower price ?? You want to make a profit and sell them for about 10k isk. That means the prices would maybe go up by 100% for the most components, not drop when BPO¦s would be introduced. Or the BPO¦s wouldn¦t be used as you can not make profit with them. Only the prices of the overpriced components (50k-300k isk) would drop. But how many components are priced so high ? Only 10 ? The 4k priced components are the majority.
And if the production process is Shiva is so complex as described it¦s also possible that the prices of the components could go up as the time and money efforts to produce them seem to be very high. Even when you can mine the needed ressources from moons or mining fields.
So we must wait to see if Tech II components will be a dream or a nightmare for the Tech II producers. Some people think the prices will drop to 1k per component when BPO¦s would be given out. I think the prices would more likely go up or keep the same as today. |
Lord Morgan
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Posted - 2004.09.21 07:37:00 -
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Something to consider:
Today the most Tech 2 components cost about 4k-5k isk when you look on the market. When you recycle them and sell the minerals you get about 6k isk. That would be the production cost if you have a BPO for the component.
But who would produce a component for 6k and sell it for a lower price ?? You want to make a profit and sell them for about 10k isk. That means the prices would maybe go up by 100% for the most components, not drop when BPO¦s would be introduced. Or the BPO¦s wouldn¦t be used as you can not make profit with them. Only the prices of the overpriced components (50k-300k isk) would drop. But how many components are priced so high ? Only 10 ? The 4k priced components are the majority.
And if the production process is Shiva is so complex as described it¦s also possible that the prices of the components could go up as the time and money efforts to produce them seem to be very high. Even when you can mine the needed ressources from moons or mining fields.
So we must wait to see if Tech II components will be a dream or a nightmare for the Tech II producers. Some people think the prices will drop to 1k per component when BPO¦s would be given out. I think the prices would more likely go up or keep the same as today. |
Myko
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Posted - 2004.09.21 08:30:00 -
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As long as the demand is there at the high price, they will be sold at the high price. What it does do is allow for some manufacturers to make components themselves, but this will still only result in more profit for them, not a ship price decrease.
Everything is always supply and demand.
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Myko
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Posted - 2004.09.21 08:30:00 -
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As long as the demand is there at the high price, they will be sold at the high price. What it does do is allow for some manufacturers to make components themselves, but this will still only result in more profit for them, not a ship price decrease.
Everything is always supply and demand.
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.09.21 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Morgan
Something to consider:
Today the most Tech 2 components cost about 4k-5k isk when you look on the market. When you recycle them and sell the minerals you get about 6k isk. That would be the production cost if you have a BPO for the component.
But who would produce a component for 6k and sell it for a lower price ?? You want to make a profit and sell them for about 10k isk. That means the prices would maybe go up by 100% for the most components, not drop when BPO¦s would be introduced. Or the BPO¦s wouldn¦t be used as you can not make profit with them. Only the prices of the overpriced components (50k-300k isk) would drop. But how many components are priced so high ? Only 10 ? The 4k priced components are the majority.
And if the production process is Shiva is so complex as described it¦s also possible that the prices of the components could go up as the time and money efforts to produce them seem to be very high. Even when you can mine the needed ressources from moons or mining fields.
So we must wait to see if Tech II components will be a dream or a nightmare for the Tech II producers. Some people think the prices will drop to 1k per component when BPO¦s would be given out. I think the prices would more likely go up or keep the same as today.
Lord you can't look at demand side on market. Yes deman only for 5k to 6k exist but actual prices for component sales are way above demand prices. Try check supply side of market :) Really certain people even after year in game have no clue how supply/demand market windows look like. It's a bit confusing that's true because DEVs did it that way.
Anyway T2 components are pretty upped now and you sell 90% of T2 components around 2.5 theirs ideal mineral prices (not NPC prices but real market prices). Where minerals like tritanium score average 2.2 ISK, nocxium goes for 380 ISK etc.
So really T2 components are expensive if you know how to sell them. Thanks to confusing market out there is still few people who does sell on buy price. I feel sorry for them that's all.
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.09.21 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Morgan
Something to consider:
Today the most Tech 2 components cost about 4k-5k isk when you look on the market. When you recycle them and sell the minerals you get about 6k isk. That would be the production cost if you have a BPO for the component.
But who would produce a component for 6k and sell it for a lower price ?? You want to make a profit and sell them for about 10k isk. That means the prices would maybe go up by 100% for the most components, not drop when BPO¦s would be introduced. Or the BPO¦s wouldn¦t be used as you can not make profit with them. Only the prices of the overpriced components (50k-300k isk) would drop. But how many components are priced so high ? Only 10 ? The 4k priced components are the majority.
And if the production process is Shiva is so complex as described it¦s also possible that the prices of the components could go up as the time and money efforts to produce them seem to be very high. Even when you can mine the needed ressources from moons or mining fields.
So we must wait to see if Tech II components will be a dream or a nightmare for the Tech II producers. Some people think the prices will drop to 1k per component when BPO¦s would be given out. I think the prices would more likely go up or keep the same as today.
Lord you can't look at demand side on market. Yes deman only for 5k to 6k exist but actual prices for component sales are way above demand prices. Try check supply side of market :) Really certain people even after year in game have no clue how supply/demand market windows look like. It's a bit confusing that's true because DEVs did it that way.
Anyway T2 components are pretty upped now and you sell 90% of T2 components around 2.5 theirs ideal mineral prices (not NPC prices but real market prices). Where minerals like tritanium score average 2.2 ISK, nocxium goes for 380 ISK etc.
So really T2 components are expensive if you know how to sell them. Thanks to confusing market out there is still few people who does sell on buy price. I feel sorry for them that's all.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.21 09:16:00 -
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tech 2 component prices have plummeted over the last month - I have hundreds of T2 components sitting on the market, unsold, at less than half the price that they were actually selling at 4 weeks ago
this whole thing is bull**** created by the manufacturers to keep the prices high. |
meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.21 09:16:00 -
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tech 2 component prices have plummeted over the last month - I have hundreds of T2 components sitting on the market, unsold, at less than half the price that they were actually selling at 4 weeks ago
this whole thing is bull**** created by the manufacturers to keep the prices high. |
s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2004.09.21 09:48:00 -
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meowcat can u send me an evemail-list of the components you are trying to sell ?
Thx.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2004.09.21 09:48:00 -
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meowcat can u send me an evemail-list of the components you are trying to sell ?
Thx.
Bjorn Borg :
Underwear is futile ! |
Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 10:11:00 -
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Once tech2 componet BPO's are released the amrket rpcie will be illrelevant, why u ask ?
becuase large tech2 item producers will simply buy the BPO's of the componets they need and make all thier own supply in house, bascially cutting out the middle man.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2004.09.21 10:11:00 -
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Once tech2 componet BPO's are released the amrket rpcie will be illrelevant, why u ask ?
becuase large tech2 item producers will simply buy the BPO's of the componets they need and make all thier own supply in house, bascially cutting out the middle man.
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.09.21 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Arron on 21/09/2004 14:00:08
Originally by: Phasics
Once tech2 componet BPO's are released the amrket rpcie will be illrelevant, why u ask ?
becuase large tech2 item producers will simply buy the BPO's of the componets they need and make all thier own supply in house, bascially cutting out the middle man.
Thats why the bpos' need to cost a lot - say 800mill - 1 bill each, so no one manufacturer can buy all the BPO's they need, and instead have to buy from other corps.
Originally by: Selim
Yep, but if I read correctly you can only build them in player-owned stations, and they'll need special minerals you can only get from certain environments. Some of these minerals will come from the moon itself, some will come from ice field mining, and some will come from gas cloud mining. Its a pretty good plan.
I hope this is the case. Will help stop the above problem aswell.
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.09.21 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Arron on 21/09/2004 14:00:08
Originally by: Phasics
Once tech2 componet BPO's are released the amrket rpcie will be illrelevant, why u ask ?
becuase large tech2 item producers will simply buy the BPO's of the componets they need and make all thier own supply in house, bascially cutting out the middle man.
Thats why the bpos' need to cost a lot - say 800mill - 1 bill each, so no one manufacturer can buy all the BPO's they need, and instead have to buy from other corps.
Originally by: Selim
Yep, but if I read correctly you can only build them in player-owned stations, and they'll need special minerals you can only get from certain environments. Some of these minerals will come from the moon itself, some will come from ice field mining, and some will come from gas cloud mining. Its a pretty good plan.
I hope this is the case. Will help stop the above problem aswell.
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alar1c
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Posted - 2004.09.21 19:12:00 -
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My one question; Is it going to lottery or just straight purchase from the NPC market?
Al
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alar1c
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Posted - 2004.09.21 19:12:00 -
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My one question; Is it going to lottery or just straight purchase from the NPC market?
Al
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