If eve were a more immersive game, given the premise of the high-tech world we are supposed to be playing in, anyone with a sec status of say -5 or whatever would have his financial assets (ISK) instantly raided by concord and anything he had left over in high sec taken as well. Basically the pvper would have to learn to operate without money and barter only for the things he needs.

If the game were more immersive that is. In reality he'd use his alts to get around that and to ferry thing thing he needs to him.

Wrong, Concord has no jurisdiction in stations, so they can't take anything. All they can do is blow up your ship. And, like real fictional cops, they do a little as possible. So they won't bother chasing a criminal anymore after the timer is up.

That said... i would much prefer that Concord attack Orcas that supply ships to those that are -5. Just because it would be funny... and somewhat reasonable.

Okay ive read all of teh replies and first of all thank you for not debasing yourselfs n trolling non stop

Just look at

Ships
Ammo
Modules

Cost?

Then look at Insurance payouts? Barley covers the ship.

The point im trying to make is these people (ccp) need to sort there stuff n decided if eve is a pvp game or a pve/pvp game and act accordingly

If eve were a more immersive game

The problem is most tangible penalties could be avoided.

The point im trying to make is these people (ccp) need to sort there stuff n decided if eve is a pvp game or a pve/pvp game and act accordingly

The point im trying to make is these people (ccp) need to sort there stuff n decided if eve is a pvp game or a pve/pvp game and act accordingly

Even the PvE targets can shoot back. Why can't we?

I would not mind having concord only go to the belts in 1.0-0.8 sectors for the noobs. In 0.7 and below let the miners etc arm themselves and fight back.

It's a PvP game but huge amounts of players have no chance for PvP because they cannot arm their ships, skills don't do anything for you if you have no chance of using the equipment.

Even the PvE targets can shoot back. Why can't we?

Anything CONCORD can shoot, you can.

And there's lots CONCORD can't shoot that you can. If a player has -5.0 sec status or less, any player can shoot at them. CONCORD won't until they get a GCC (exception is the Genesis constellation, but if they're shooting at you because of sec status they behave like faction police until you shoot back).

So you already have the means to take matters into your own hands. There's really no reason to complain.

You can't shoot if you are not allowed to put weapons on your ship!!

You can't shoot if you are not allowed to put weapons on your ship!!

[Rokh, COME AT ME BRO]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5
Warrior II x5

150,000 EHP, 1063 mining yield/minute. Ratio of tank to mining yield/cargo can be tweaked. Anyone know roughly how many Tornados it'd take to gank this?

In my research i have come to see that it serves no useful purpose, it does not help the market, it does not help the player base. If anything it harms the game.


This mechanic really needs to be addressed because at the current market growth and rise rate, the entire eve market will crash within a year. I work as a finance consultant and i ahve researched all of this and it is pure fact.

CCP why, may i ask, that you allow this to go on. If a market crash happens. The entire game will crash as has happend on other MMOS with player driven economy. This is one of the reasons that Warcraft is stress testing servers to mold upto ten servers into one because of constant market crashes.

Hi

I have spent nearly a week running this over in my mind trying to figure out what this type of game play is allowed. I have researched the amount of ISK lost and looked at kills, tried to contact the players with huge losses, sumtimes his with replys of *had enuff, happend so many times, im quitting* to others saying *it's a shite game mechanic and needs to be removed*.

In my research i have come to see that it serves no useful purpose, it does not help the market, it does not help the player base. If anything it harms the game.

So my proposed idea is that the entire mechanic of being able to fire on non aggressed pilots should be disavowed. If Concord has the technology to allow you to fire, then it has the technology to stop you

.i.e - When you target a player in a Torndao fitted for sucide ganking a hauler and you press F1 or *click* your weapons, it should flash up so

*You are not at war with this pilot or his/her corporation and and as such are unable to fire*. I know alot of pvpers who spend alot of time doing this will disagree but the damage that the mechanic is having on the game, is irriversable.

Market prices are up 50% on almost all Modules/ships
Mining in high sec has falled by 48% (industrial players are becoming scarcer)
Trade runs and delivery pilots have dropped off 72% simply because they cannot guarentee delivery
The rise in gankers is well over 40% in well populated areas and some of our miners have even tried going 10+ jumps away from market areas and are still being targeted..

This mechanic really needs to be addressed because at the current market growth and rise rate, the entire eve market will crash within a year. I work as a finance consultant and i ahve researched all of this and it is pure fact.

CCP why, may i ask, that you allow this to go on. If a market crash happens. The entire game will crash as has happend on other MMOS with player driven economy. This is one of the reasons that Warcraft is stress testing servers to mold upto ten servers into one because of constant market crashes.

I ask CCP to just CONSIDER that this game mechanic may not be in eve's best interest and that it should be sorted and removed.

No i have not been the victim of a gank, i even tested the theory on 3 Ret's to see how easy it was to gank them in 0.5/0.6 and i was able to get 3 shots of 8 faction ammo off before concord turned up. Which made concord pointless in those systems in the first place.

Don't want to be ganked flying unarmed in an untanked ship? Don't fly the ship. When you complain that "oh they're shooting me when I can't shoot back", you chose a ship that is defenseless. Hulks aren't meant to be flown in combat zones. They're supposed to be well-protected industrial ships munching on ore where they can't be attacked easily. You want to mine in peace? Do it in a Rokh. Take the 45% reduction in output in favor of a massive tank and enjoy the light show as all the exhumers around you get ganked.

Allow a hulk to fit an LSE without a MAJOR drop in Yield and no one will ever make a thread like this again.

It's just not fair that a dessi can fu*k up a hulk before beeing concordokened.