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GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:But wasn't the whole CFC argument before that Mittani shouldn't be removed from the CSM, despite violating the EULA?
What has Issler done? Has s/he violated the EULA or any other CCP-sanctioned terms of service? Or is s/he simply saying something you don't agree with? The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did.
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:01:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Given that I've had to cope with suicidal acquaintances, yes, I was genuinely concerned for the welfare of a human being whom Mittens encouraged people to drive to suicide. I've also seen substantial evidence that it wasn't a careless drunken outburst. Personally I don't hold much sympathy for ice mining or mining in general as a profession (I don't, for example, get upset about Hulkageddon. I just encourage all my miner friends to do something else for a month), but I think you underestimate the level of genuine human sympathy present among players of this game.
That said, I don't deny that a lot of people were just crying crocodile tears and rallying behind The Wis to get at Mittani. But that's the thing, see - Mittens has intentionally constructed this persona of Internet Spaceships Douchebag Supervillain, daring people to get as angry and hateful at him as they can possibly manage. He's basically the Goon of Goons - daring people to get as furious at him as they possibly can, and laughing madly when they do.
Well guess what? He deserves hearty congratulations, because it worked. People hate Goons. People hate Mittens. People get angry at the mere thought of your existence, and the existence of your leader. You are the scourge and unstoppable rage-generating shitmachine that you guys always wanted to be. There's no denying that. But you can't expect to do that and then also expect the very same people you've so deeply enraged to treat you objectively. You can pick one, or the other, but not both. Mittens put himself in a position where he couldn't afford to make the mistake he made, made it anyway, and then Goons acted surprised that things turned out the way they did.
[redacted] was a convenient weapon for the people Mittens angered to use against him, and the Goons can't really complain that they did. You kind of made your own bed here.
Yeah, I think some of you would, and you damn well know you would, too. Oh, of course, you'd do it with even less sincerity than the crowd that went after Mittens, but please let's not be disingenuous - you know there's some Goons who would feign sympathy for an ice miner if it served their agenda (which in this hypothetical scenario would be "getting Jade Constantine banned for lulz"). That's just how politics works.
So, you essentially agree with me? All I ever stated was that the majority of the people gunning after Mittens did it because they see him and GSF as internet spaceship satan. Yes, there was a core group that would have been offended either way, I never dismissed that. I never once argued that Mittens didn't step over the line or that he should get off without some sort of punishment. The only things I've ever publicly stated that I found the people who used the well-being of an ice miner as a political rallying cry to wave a battle flag for their own personal agenda just as offensive as anything Mittens has or ever will say.
As for Jade, I'm so glad you put words in my mouth of what I would or would not do. Personally I have no issues with him, and on occasion do get a laugh at how well he sometimes baits people. I can't say for certain what I would or would not do, but I wouldn't use a highsec ice miner as an excuse to go after him. I have no doubt that there would be some people gunning for Jade, but you certainly wouldn't have seen it in the numbers of people who went after Mittens nor would you see a majority of the same people attacking Mittens attacking Jade, which is the only point I'm really trying to make.
tl:dr butts lol burn all of hisec
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