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Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:53:00 - [1] http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=672 Behold. It begins.
Mystafyre Caldari Awaken tribe	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:02:00 - [2] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=672 Behold. It begins. Yeah, like our profits wouldn't be small enough already from LP stores....
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:03:00 - [3] Hell yeah!
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:19:00 - [4] FFS! Black Ops are getting fuel bays, small and medium sized rigs that are affordable for frigates and cruisers will be introduced, and all you want to blab about is LP for FW kills? *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
zombeee Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:29:00 - [5] Quote: with special LP stores for each militia, offering unique goodies for hard working militamen and women What makes you think it will be like the other LP stores?
Mutnin Mutineers	Posted - 2009.07.01 04:13:00 - [6] Nice, I say anything that gives reason to run plexes will be a good thing. Reason is because it "should" cause more small gang fights vs the typical current FW blobs. I think the "Small, Medium and Large rigs" will be nice as well. I always thought it was kinda dumb to even have rig spots on frigs and cruisers because of the costs involved. Maybe this will solve that issue.
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.07.01 04:18:00 - [7] "I need attention and am thus making a thread about the dev blog rather than poasting in the comments thread about the dev blog. Please love me."
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.07.01 05:47:00 - [8] Confirmed that it will also be LP from player ship kills. \o/ --- WOLFY is recruiting!
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.01 06:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Mutnin Nice, I say anything that gives reason to run plexes will be a good thing. Reason is because it "should" cause more small gang fights vs the typical current FW blobs. I think the "Small, Medium and Large rigs" will be nice as well. I always thought it was kinda dumb to even have rig spots on frigs and cruisers because of the costs involved. Maybe this will solve that issue. Seconding this, getting IRL friends to play the game and explaining eve logic is a nightmare; spending double the amount the ship cost on slapping rigs on it (especially your first Battlecruiser) = eh to some.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 06:37:00 - [10] Originally by: De Guantanamo "I need attention and am thus making a thread about the dev blog rather than poasting in the comments thread about the dev blog. Please love me." Not really mate. People flail in this forum about how FW sucks, so I figured I'd post this up for everyone. Didn't realize about the devblog comments.

Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.07.01 06:39:00 - [11] I welcome our new lp overlords. The Dark is Rising... Non EVE related content removed. Zymurgist
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.07.01 07:30:00 - [12] Edited by: Raimo on 01/07/2009 07:31:11 Originally by: Mitch Taylor I welcome our new lp overlords. I welcome new (LP- hungry) meat to the grinder. Moar targets! --- WOLFY is recruiting!
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 08:13:00 - [13] Sadly they dont have a clue what is causing the FW desyncs, so the LP you get from killing fw targets won't come from gang vs gang fights...
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.07.01 08:47:00 - [14] Edited by: Raimo on 01/07/2009 08:49:34 Originally by: Furb Killer Sadly they dont have a clue what is causing the FW desyncs, so the LP you get from killing fw targets won't come from gang vs gang fights... Which is how it should be. I hope they implement diminishing returns for the kill LP, say max LP only achievable with less than 5-10 people on the mail. Solo/ small gang should be most "profitable" IMO. ;) (Which is not to say that they shouldn't fix the lag for larger fights, those should just pay less LPs. It would also help with the lag issues as blobs would be discouraged) --- WOLFY is recruiting!
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:28:00 - [15] Sorry but that would be somewhere between plain stupid and ******ed. There is no reason at all why you would get less for 20 vs 20 than 10 vs 10 (not to mention with those numbers you also get desyncs). Just because you prefer smaller gangs doesnt make your play style more right than others. There should just be a fixed number of LP you get for a kill of a specific ship. If you kill it with 20 people, you get 1/20th of the LP. There are ways to do it better (so you get less than 1/20th if you need 20 people to kill a single WT, but if it is 20vs20 you just get your part of every kill), but that isnt easy to implement. And your idea than doesnt make any sense, to give more LP for a 5v5 than 20v20.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:30:00 - [16] LP for kills can be exploited with alts. Caldari have nothing left to capture. Reset of Occupancy incoming?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:34:00 - [17] It cant be exploited if it is just determined by isk loss of other side.
Raimo Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Furb Killer Sorry but that would be somewhere between plain stupid and *****ed. There is no reason at all why you would get less for 20 vs 20 than 10 vs 10 (not to mention with those numbers you also get desyncs). Just because you prefer smaller gangs doesnt make your play style more right than others. There should just be a fixed number of LP you get for a kill of a specific ship. If you kill it with 20 people, you get 1/20th of the LP. There are ways to do it better (so you get less than 1/20th if you need 20 people to kill a single WT, but if it is 20vs20 you just get your part of every kill), but that isnt easy to implement. And your idea than doesnt make any sense, to give more LP for a 5v5 than 20v20. Oh, my idea makes perfect sense. Many think that blobbing is one of today's EVE's biggest problems and FW is no different excpect that in FW it is worse* because the yet-to-be-fixed FW lag. An LP mechanic like this would be a good tool to discourage blobbing, somewhat "fixing" the lag and also it would help revitalize FW even more, bringing some of those who prefer solo/ small gang back to FW because there would be more targets flying solo and in small gangs... Seriously, the blobs (that you too apparently prefer) do only harm to FW, boring people to death does not a good game make. --- WOLFY is recruiting!
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:50:00 - [19] Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/07/2009 09:50:54 20vs20 is a blob these days Again, just because you dont like 20 vs 20's doesnt make them somehow less than whatever you like. I do plenty of solo pvp (normally, in carebearing streak atm), but sometimes i also just like to pvp in a gang/fleet. I dont see how a 20 vs 20 would be boring. Your 5 men gang ganking a single target, that is boring. But a 20vs20 is in no way boring.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.01 10:02:00 - [20] RKK announce that they're joining FW. A few days later CCP announce that they're going to improve the rewards for FW. Coincidence? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

Intigo Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.01 10:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Rodj Blake RKK announce that they're joining FW. A few days later CCP announce that they're going to improve the rewards for FW. Coincidence? Haha, I was thinking the same thing. ;) But really, they would have had no reason to join before it's even implemented anyway. This kinda reeks of honour and WoW PvP, but if it's implemented well then I do not mind. They need to make some kind of system that avoids it being abused as well (ie. friends killing eachother over and over). ___________________ ENEMA, much love. <3
Rennion	Posted - 2009.07.01 10:43:00 - [22] Sigh, they fall into the same trap other MMO's fall into. The rewards should be for defending not attacking but oh well. Systems like this encourage zerging undefended areas to get easy rewards and people will still blob up because for the scrubs this is the best way to tag onto killmails and get rewards. Well maybe CCP implement it in such a way that this does not happen, one can hope.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.07.01 11:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Droog 1 LP for kills can be exploited with alts. Caldari have nothing left to capture. Reset of Occupancy incoming? We get points for defending plexes as well, even more than from offensive plexes. So this just means more LP's for my alts who afk defend plexes and thus more goodies for me. Providing of course that gallente care about plexes even now. Our NPCs are just too "waah broken" as two wts in battlecruisers said after failing to defeat my caracal.... And yes, lp points for kills will bring forth a whole new farming mechanism. On all sides. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General P.S: You (or should I say your main) have said you do not care about plexes. Why you still whine about occupancy reset?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 12:11:00 - [24] I dont think many of gallente are intrested in occupancy reset, first the occupancy mechanics must be fixed. (If caldari are two times stronger than us, they should eventually get two times more systems, not all). But it is kinda hard to deny your npcs are way better, and now you can get your LP from defending plexes in your stabbed frigs.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.07.01 12:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Furb Killer But it is kinda hard to deny your npcs are way better, and now you can get your LP from defending plexes in your stabbed frigs. Want some cheese with your whine? Go on, accuse me even more about exploits ad flying stabbed frigs, something i've never done in FW. No, right now my plexing is this. My alt in undated clone (hello to training que and few hours required) finds a plex in disposable frigate of which I typically fit about 20 to be ready to go. He goes to run the timer, stops his ship and I check back in 10-20 minutes if somebody has bothered to pod him. If yes, I grab a new frigate and move on, knowing that someone got a lolmail. If not, I head on to find a new plex. All this time, Damar is course doing something much more interesting like roaming. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Blood Ghost Mulgere Hircum	Posted - 2009.07.01 12:45:00 - [26] Calm down donÆt think he was targeting you. We both know we have people on our side that fly with stabbed frigs like that... as for our navy being better, canÆt comment really but heÆs probably right I also think that the more space a race takes, the harder it should be to take even more space. Thus the less space you have, the easyier it is to defend. One way could be to have a set number of NPCÆs on your side (say 200) divided into protecting each one of races systems. Thus the less space somebody has to harder and harder it becomes to attack it (as the NPC count increases)
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:16:00 - [27] Quote: Go on, accuse me even more about exploits ad flying stabbed frigs, something i've never done in FW. No, right now my plexing is this. My alt in undated clone (hello to training que and few hours required) finds a plex in disposable frigate of which I typically fit about 20 to be ready to go. He goes to run the timer, stops his ship and I check back in 10-20 minutes if somebody has bothered to pod him. Ok I will. You were using exploits Damar. You were also accusing others of using exploits After they had been fixed by CCP. Not sure why someone thinking you use stabbed frigs upsets you when you consider the above use of afk alts perfectly acceptable I used to be on the LP bandwagon, for plexs, not for player kills, but I can see now that both would be completely farmed and exploitable by this crowd.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:35:00 - [28] Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/07/2009 13:37:24 Do you (as in one person you) realise that i can also use you to talk about a group of persons? In this case the caldari militia? I am truly not one of those who think our militia is superior and the others are all noobs, that is crap. But it is just impossible to deny that you can do all plexes solo in a stabbed t1 frig, while we cant.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Furb Killer But it is just impossible to deny that you can do all plexes solo in a stabbed t1 frig, while we cant. No, I dont deny it. However, it was something we achieved through six months of effort. Now we can take things easily. As said, I make lots of isk with plexing now as do few others who think outside the box. If we now get LP points from this, CCP pretty much hands caldari the keys to bank vault. Only problem is that bulk of militia who did not do anything for this can get to LP wagon as well now. But I figure top plexing corps and top plexers (yes, this means Val Erian as well) can get a good headstart as there is hardly a reason not to convert existing points visible on militia offices to LP's. Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
X Gallentius MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.07.01 15:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Damar Rocarion ... ^^ soon to be the richest man in EvE history.



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