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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.02 19:28:00 -
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I know everybody else that uses the forums a lot is also having this problem, and I know that I'm not the only one that is being extremely annoyed by it.
I'm talking here about the bugs in the cookie session management of this forum. The session cookie is what tells the forum if you are still logged in or if your session has expired.
Something with this code is seriously wrong, or the session expiration timeout is way too short. Either way, sometimes I find myself having to login two or three times before it sinks in.
If you're logged out and you try to post something, the application will refresh the page (without posting) to log you in, but then you have to click Submit again. Why not auto-login AND post?
I'm not asking for a whole new forum system (although that is also long overdue), I'm only asking for CCP to fix the cookie session management so that it actually keeps me logged in for more than 15 minutes at a time.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.02 19:31:00 -
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Please?
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De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.07.02 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar Please?
15 minutes? You're lucky. There are days I can't stay logged in long enough to click into a forum - try about 15 seconds.
What really cheeses me off about it, is this has to be something that was changed, because it didn't used to behave this way. --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Hesod Adee
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.07.02 21:01:00 -
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Some days the forum works fine, other days I can't post because I logout within seconds.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.07.02 21:08:00 -
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Yah, this has actually gotten worse rcently. I type a post, go afk for 30 seconds, and have to relog, wait a minute, and then repost in order for it to actually go up. It's insanely annoying.
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2009.07.02 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Vuk Lau on 02/07/2009 21:48:58 I totaly support this and will raise it for next meeting. Btw I couldnt reply on this topic for more then 3 minutes, and I had to reloged 3 times to actualy got "reply" button to work.
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Dave Meltdown
Capital Construction Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.02 22:13:00 -
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i support this and have a question at the same time. When im typing such a long post that the text is scrolling down its getting bugged aswell. The scroll bar is moving up and down and i cant seee my own text when im typing it. Anyone esle got this problem?
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5had0wrunn3r
StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.07.03 13:18:00 -
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This is a pain for just about everyone. I had to log in 3 times just to post this .
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.07.03 13:24:00 -
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Supported. I now type my posts/replies in Notepad and copy/paste them into the forum because I expect it not to work the first time and it's easier to paste from Notepad again than re-type the message. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.03 13:41:00 -
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I've noticed that it seems to become worse if you CTRL-Click links to open threads in other tabs in your browser. I'm just making an assumption here (which may be false), but maybe the code doesn't properly check for active session cookies or gets confused when there's multiple windows opened and creates more session cookies than needed.
I say this because I had cleared all my cookies this morning and I already have 4 session cookies for this site, which seems like 2 pairs.
See for yourselves:
Now I know that ASP really sucks when it comes to HTTP Session Management, (which is why I use PHP or database driven session management), but you HAVE to fix this CCP. It's getting out of hand.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.04 16:13:00 -
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Bump
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Meltdown i support this and have a question at the same time. When im typing such a long post that the text is scrolling down its getting bugged aswell. The scroll bar is moving up and down and i cant seee my own text when im typing it. Anyone esle got this problem?
Yep, had the problem with the scrollbar forcing me to type blindly aswell.
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Solo Player
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Posted - 2009.07.05 01:15:00 -
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Do.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.07.05 04:44:00 -
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Want.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.07.05 06:31:00 -
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Santiago, you shouldn't have to retype. Whenever it bounces one of my messages, hitting back on my browser(Firefox) recovers it in full. Also, I developed a habit long ago of Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C before hitting post on anything long, which I don't need on the Eve boards much, but is useful all over the place.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.05 07:22:00 -
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Kaylan, you are a genius.
I. Want. This.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.07.05 16:06:00 -
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.05 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Laxyr on 05/07/2009 20:06:05
Yeah, this Forum seams to suffer from a terminal type of amnesia. It's not only the "login issue", also the "please visit your user settings to enable pictures" issue is very annoying. I've change that settings like 50 times and after a few days the forum has forgotten about it.
-Seconded-
EDIT: Good thing I copied my reply to my computer cache... otherwise I would have to write everything again cos I just had to LOGIN.. for the 5th time in 10 MINUTES damnit.
Regards, Lax
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.07.06 10:09:00 -
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yani dumyat
Infusion. Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.06 10:29:00 -
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.07.06 10:32:00 -
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The login issues spawns from the fact that you are being bounced around in the load balancer.
The CSM already dealt with this issue last year. CCP isn't going to touch this forum code, but they are working on a new forum.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista The login issues spawns from the fact that you are being bounced around in the load balancer.
The CSM already dealt with this issue last year. CCP isn't going to touch this forum code, but they are working on a new forum.
That's a ****ty logic on their part then. If something is broken that bad, it's worth working on even if it's to only have a temporary workaround in place. Working on a new forum is not an excuse for leaving the old one broken like this.
Besides, the new forum could be months away (if not years)! Do you really want to wait that long with this bug around?
It's really getting out of hand. Everybody who uses forums enough complain about it. If they tell me a new forum will be release within the end of the summer, then I'll wait. If it's any longer than that, I'd like a quick fix please!
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Syringe
R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:45:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106904
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.06 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Syringe http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106904
Redundant. They are working on it and apparently can't find the easy button.
Ah! I didn't see that post since I rarely go in the General forum... Thanks for bringing it up.
As for not finding the easy button, well, I never said it was easy to fix as I don't know how they programmed it in the first place. I do know however that ASP really sucks to manage HTTP sessions, so it's not wonder they are having issues (especially if they use load balancers and clusters).
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killerbitsch
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Posted - 2009.07.07 09:10:00 -
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/signed
i hate (but got used) to use CTRL-C before pressing post reply button, but what's more irritating is when i finally re-enter my login/pass I have to wait a minute to send the fakken post. fix it pls!
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Oam Mkoll
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.07 09:22:00 -
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Supporting to show that I'm also annoyed by the necessity of the Ctrl+C habit. ---
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Hel O'Ween
Academy of Truth
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Posted - 2009.07.07 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar I've noticed that it seems to become worse if you CTRL-Click links to open threads in other tabs in your browser.
This!
My usual internet habit of browsing forums and opening interesting threads in a new tab, to reply to/read them later totally breaks the forum. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:11:00 -
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i'm going to raise this as an issue meeting-after-next, if this isnt a duplicate of something already raised.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:16:00 -
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I think vuk's planning on raising it maz :P Director of Education :: EVE University
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal I think vuk's planning on raising it maz :P
There's a lot of good web developers and administrators in the EVE Online community. If CCP is having trouble finding a proper solution for their problem, maybe they should share the constraints and technical details of the problem so we can help provide potential solutions.
Personally, I think that they should manage sessions in a database instead of cookies. It would require a big database and a powerful server to run it (considering the amount of read/writes this database would have to support), but this would be the easiest solution in my opinion.
This would also enable them to have a real unified logon type thing. Basically, there would be a database table that would track user account settings by userid (community site settings and session info). When a user logs on for the first time, a record is created for his userid. A table would then be used to track session activity. When the user logs on, the "last logon timestamp" field would be updated. Then everytime the user does something such as refresh a page, or post in a forum, that timestamp gets updated.
If the user then goes afk past the time limit (let's say 1 hour), then the next time the user refreshes a page, the code checks that timestamp and logs the user out if his session is expired, or refreshes the timer if it's not. There could even be a background agent running to clear expired sessions from the database every minute or so.
No more cookies (except static cookies for some minor settings), and load balancing wouldn't matter in this case since the same database would be queried (or same cluster, which ever).
Just a thought. It may be too complicated or too costly to do, and maybe an actual web design architech could comment on this, but it seems like a good idea to me.
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