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Lelith Asperax
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:58:00 -
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I find it very unrealistic and anoying that the t3 cruisers have a drone bay of 200m¦ but just bandwith of 50(t5 for the galente) with the super special drone modification. these ships cost ab huge ammount of money and if because they are special. But that small bandwith seems like a bad joke.
So pls CCP increase the T3 dronebndwith to 100 for each drone module
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.07.05 11:20:00 -
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At least for the Gallente ship. It is weird that my shiney, ultra expensive Tech 3 droneboat is less effective with drones than my trusted old Ishtar. They should at the very least be en par.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.07.05 11:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Jin Labarre
At least for the Gallente ship. It is weird that my shiney, ultra expensive Tech 3 droneboat is less effective with drones than my trusted old Ishtar. They should at the very least be en par.
I think that CCP is aware of this, but they didn't want to make T3 Cruisers better at specific things than the current T2 cruisers. I think it would be good to have the same bandwidth, less drone bay, and less drone related bonuses, or some combination of factors that make it worse at using drones than the Ishtar.
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Lijhal
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.07.05 13:05:00 -
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/signed,
i believe it would be great to give every covert subsystem 25 drone bw/25m3 drone cargohold and some fixes on other subsystem, regarding the drone-theme, as well ... the only caldari one is the ecm subsystem, which isnt the right choice of subsystem at all ...
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.05 13:49:00 -
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its one of the reasons I'll never bother with t3 in its current iteration, a proteus unable to field 5 heavies is just a joke
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Psihius
Caldari
Russian Falcons
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.07.05 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow
its one of the reasons I'll never bother with t3 in its current iteration, a proteus unable to field 5 heavies is just a joke
It's a cruser, not a battleship! Even a battlecruser can't deploy 5 heavy drones.
T3 isn't > T2. T3 is different path of ships, a new technology.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
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Posted - 2009.07.05 16:55:00 -
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Strategic cruisers can already fit the tank and gank of command ships, the speed, agility and sig radius of cruisers.. oh, and covert ops cloaking, scan probing and HIC immunity! They have to have at least one weakness apart from their price.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
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Posted - 2009.07.05 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Psihius
T3 isn't > T2. T3 is different path of ships, a new technology.
Actually T3 is > T2 by one hell of a wide margin.
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Jettisoned Can
Jenova's Witnesses
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Posted - 2009.07.05 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Strategic cruisers can already fit the tank and gank of command ships, the speed, agility and sig radius of cruisers.. oh, and covert ops cloaking, scan probing and HIC immunity! They have to have at least one weakness apart from their price.
Wow, I didn't know that you could get the tank and gank of command ships and have the speed, agility, and sig radius of a cruiser while sporting the emergent locus subsystem, covert subsystem, and interdiction nullification subsystem. I must really suck at fitting my ships. (also, my shaman is specced 71/71/71)
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.05 19:53:00 -
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Agreed with last poster, you can have all those things, but you only get one or two of them at a time. The only setup that really interests me is a probe bonused gunboat. Can probe and fight with same ship that way. Of course there is a trade off, my harbinger both has more DPS and more tank than a legion setup that way but the difference is relatively small. Alternatively, I can use a cov ops cloak with bubble immunity, then the legion does less dps than my pilgrim and and has an inferior tank too. And you can forget the neut bonus so no help there. This is all assuming lvl4 skills btw, which is all I really intend to train on it initially. T3 ships have some interesting setups but, they are typically inferior to their t2 counterparts and in many cases, inferior to even t1. As such, the only place they really shine is in setups that you simply can't get with other ships.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.05 19:56:00 -
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As such, the only place they really shine is in setups that you simply can't get with other ships.
This is pretty much the point.
The Ishtar is a dedicated cruiser droneboat. If the proteus was better at being a pure droneboat than an Ishtar, then it would be massively overpowered because then there would be no point to flying an Ishtar.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 06/07/2009 16:57:33
Originally by: Jettisoned Can
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Strategic cruisers can already fit the tank and gank of command ships, the speed, agility and sig radius of cruisers.. oh, and covert ops cloaking, scan probing and HIC immunity! They have to have at least one weakness apart from their price.
Wow, I didn't know that you could get the tank and gank of command ships and have the speed, agility, and sig radius of a cruiser while sporting the emergent locus subsystem, covert subsystem, and interdiction nullification subsystem. I must really suck at fitting my ships. (also, my shaman is specced 71/71/71)
[Tengu, New Setup 4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Ancillary Current Router I
Ancillary Current Router I
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
It does 372 DPS if you get all skills at level V. The only thing it can't do is tackle. In packs, this would work quite well if you have an inty or two. Show me a warp-cloaking Caldari recon that can do that.
And you really don't need the emergent locus subsystem if your scanning skills are good enough and you don't plan on probing out anything but pvp targets.
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Jettisoned Can
Jenova's Witnesses
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
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And you really don't need the emergent locus subsystem if your scanning skills are good enough and you don't plan on probing out anything but pvp targets.
Not bad except for it requires implants to even fit the ship and can be killed by a single ishkur. (let's say 2 to be on the safe side) So I guess it is possible to get speed, agility, cloak, probing, command ship gank, and HIC immunity; but you still don't have command ship tank.
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Arthur Frayn
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Posted - 2009.07.07 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jettisoned Can
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
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And you really don't need the emergent locus subsystem if your scanning skills are good enough and you don't plan on probing out anything but pvp targets.
Not bad except for it requires implants to even fit the ship and can be killed by a single ishkur. (let's say 2 to be on the safe side) So I guess it is possible to get speed, agility, cloak, probing, command ship gank, and HIC immunity; but you still don't have command ship tank.
It's still easier to bring the subsystems with you for rapid refitting instead of hauling around whole ships to get the job done.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.07 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
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As such, the only place they really shine is in setups that you simply can't get with other ships.
This is pretty much the point.
The Ishtar is a dedicated cruiser droneboat. If the proteus was better at being a pure droneboat than an Ishtar, then it would be massively overpowered because then there would be no point to flying an Ishtar.
That's pretty much the original point. There would still be plenty of reason to fly an Ishtar. Stop being obtuse.
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